This is what I fought on Omaha Beach for... -Gay Rights-
Pretty much verbally states what I think many people feel on the subject. (Notice I said many, not all). Are gay rights our modern day Civil rights era? Can we say everyone is equal yet say they are unequal in certain situations. Can we say that everyone is equal yet impose our own morality on them and say to them "our institutions are not for your kind".
I have no opinion on the rightness or wrongness of gay people. I don't care if its a choice or genetic. I could care less if a guy hits on me or if he hits on a girl. At the end of the day they are still a person, an equal and I think that should be all that matters.
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Let em' get married. Marriage is for emotionally unstable people searching for peer approval anyway. it's a retarded ritual. Go nuts, gheys.
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Personally, like Rev. Wright, I don't think Jones is all that radical. They are certainly colorful in their speech, but that doesn't make them wrong. The Jones affair was more partisan hackery IMO.
No one has a legitimate reason why gays can't get married. If someone can come up with a better reason than "it's icky" or "if gays can marry why can't old men marry little boys". Come up with something better then that! "gays are too promiscuous!"
Lets hear some reasoning why gays should not be able to marry.
Lets hear some reasoning why gays should not be able to marry.
Really?
Again?
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Personally, like Rev. Wright, I don't think Jones is all that radical. They are certainly colorful in their speech, but that doesn't make them wrong. The Jones affair was more partisan hackery IMO.
No one has a legitimate reason why gays can't get married. If someone can come up with a better reason than "it's icky" or "if gays can marry why can't old men marry little boys". Come up with something better then that! "gays are too promiscuous!"
Lets hear some reasoning why gays should not be able to marry.
There are no good reasons, which is why in 50 years it won't be an issue in most civilised nations/states, and people will look back on this time and wonder why people cared so much about it.
No one has a legitimate reason why gays can't get married. If someone can come up with a better reason than "it's icky" or "if gays can marry why can't old men marry little boys". Come up with something better then that! "gays are too promiscuous!"
Lets hear some reasoning why gays should not be able to marry.
Oats one thing I noticed visiting BC was gays were really accepted and gay marriage was no big deal. So after living in a country that allows gay marriage, have you seen any negatives from that?
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Lets hear some reasoning why gays should not be able to marry.
Adoption.
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Oats one thing I noticed visiting BC was gays were really accepted and gay marriage was no big deal. So after living in a country that allows gay marriage, have you seen any negatives from that?
I've noticed that gay people are genuinely happier, I've also noticed that gay marriage is unnoticed by just about everyone, making it such a non-issue that it's ridiculous to believe that it ever was an issue.
But married couple that can't have children and want them will probably try to adopt. It's a huge can of worms.
P.S. I support gay rights.
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But married couple that can't have children and want them will probably try to adopt. It's a huge can of worms.
P.S. I support gay rights.
You could say anything could potentially open up a can of worms. This issue is marriage, not adoption and fighting for gay adoption rights would be something completely different argument. Here are the arguments against gay adoption:
a)"The children will be teased in school" What the **** is new?
b)"What if the gay parents molest the baby?" Gay doesn't mean pedophile...
c)"Won't this have a psychological impact on the child" Having two loving parents sounds better than having one loving parent just making it by.
You could say anything could potentially open up a can of worms. This issue is marriage, not adoption and fighting for gay adoption rights would be something completely different argument. Here are the arguments against gay adoption:
a)"The children will be teased in school" What the **** is new?
b)"What if the gay parents molest the baby?" Gay doesn't mean pedophile...
c)"Won't this have a psychological impact on the child" Having two loving parents sounds better than having one loving parent just making it by.
For the most part I agree with you. But it's an issue that has to be decided at the state level......state by state. Gay marriage isn't a federal issue because it isn't covered in the constitution....in fact marriage isn't covered in the constitution.
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I've noticed that gay people are genuinely happier, I've also noticed that gay marriage is unnoticed by just about everyone, making it such a non-issue that it's ridiculous to believe that it ever was an issue.
Thats what it seemed like to me. Being in Vancouver was like being in some furturistic civilization that had simply learned how to let people be themselves. It is so much more of a healthy enviroment than here in Utah. How much more healthy emotionally and every other way to encourage gays to be in commited relationships, where they can love and support each other.
Returning to Utah was like returning to the dark ages. Much like someone that had learned that indeed the earth is not flat but returning to a society that very much believed that.
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Lets hear some reasoning why gays should not be able to marry.
I honestly could care less....but your quote is inaccurate. Same sex couples cannot legally marry whether the participants are gay or straight and thats how the argument should be framed because whether one likes it or not, thats the plain truth. Straight men cant marry one another either
As someone else said marriage isn't adoption. There also isn't any legitimate reason why gay people shouldn't adopt. Let's see some studies from credible sources that say gay parents are incapable of raising healthy children. And don't give me the "they'll get made fun of" BS unless you want to ban fat, ugly, and mixed raced couples from adoption.
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For the most part I agree with you. But it's an issue that has to be decided at the state level......state by state. Gay marriage isn't a federal issue because it isn't covered in the constitution....in fact marriage isn't covered in the constitution.
I agree with your statement in bold. The only problem with that: marriage benefits are codified in federal law. Tax, property rights, criminal, etc.
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Pretty much verbally states what I think many people feel on the subject. (Notice I said many, not all). Are gay rights our modern day Civil rights era? Can we say everyone is equal yet say they are unequal in certain situations. Can we say that everyone is equal yet impose our own morality on them and say to them "our institutions are not for your kind".
I have no opinion on the rightness or wrongness of gay people. I don't care if its a choice or genetic. I could care less if a guy hits on me or if he hits on a girl. At the end of the day they are still a person, an equal and I think that should be all that matters.
lol, well that wasn't what nearly every other solider fought for - actually I doubt they fought for any of this.
You're right about one thing...
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Can we say everyone is equal yet say they are unequal in certain situations.
...and thats no. Separate but equal doesn't exist, equal means interchangeable and to say everyone is equal is to say they are all viewed the same.
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Nah, seriously, what's your stance on gay marriage? I'm guessing you're for it... Because you like to think that you're a logical person, and realize there is no valid reason against.
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"...Richard Barnbrook, the BNP candidate for Barking, had produced and directed a homoerotic student art film in 1989. The story was picked up by the mainstream press after the 2006 local elections, when Barnbrook became a councillor for Barking and Dagenham. Although some portrayed this as gay pornography, Barnbrook and the BNP claimed that the film was artistic, and about "sexuality, not homosexuality."
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Nah, seriously, what's your stance on gay marriage? I'm guessing you're for it... Because you like to think that you're a logical person, and realize there is no valid reason against.
Gay marriage isn't conducive to creating the society I want.
Marriage's main purpose is creating a stable environment to create children, this in tern benefits the nation....
Beyond that, public homosexuality has shown to be detrimental to western civilization as a whole - I can not think of a publicly gay person who has not attempted to break down the values which western civilization was built on. - They are almost always part of the diversity brigade.
I don't care what gays do in private nor will I shun gays who support my positions - assuming they keep their sexual issues to themselves and don't attempt to challenge the norms which will be established.
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No, not really.
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I can not think of a publicly gay person who has not attempted to break down the values which western civilization was built on. - They are almost always part of the diversity brigade.
Pim Fortuyn? Not a great fan of religious diversity or immigration. Furthermore, as accepting homosexuality is seen at this moment in time to be a sign of diversity, gay people with views that do not embody a pro-diversity outlook are likely to be less visible in a society (hence closested gay republicans and so on..) . So in a sense, you aren't seeing the whole picture. Your attitudes also keep this sort of dynamic in place. Effectively society forces/sterotypes certain types of people into holding specific sets of views, and then they get criticised for holding those views such as in this situation. Those holding different views are somewhat invisible, either by choice, or because it doesn't fit the image that society wants to paint so their existence is ignored.
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