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    Insulin causes large guts???????????

    i hurd that insulin is the reason why so many pro bodybuilders have big guts even thow they are low bodyfat and can see there 6 pack... they still have a big gut because of insulin and GH.



    is it insulin the drug.. or insulin as in insulin spike from food or are they they same thing...

    shouldd i stop trying to get insulin spike in my post workout shake to prevent getting a gut?

    im alredy lean and have abs but starting to notice it slightly....

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    It's due to the combined factors of extrogenious, insulin and IGF-1 with the huge diet.

    There have been many threads on this so please search next time.
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    Originally Posted by Kiwi_Kid View Post
    It's due to the combined factors of extrogenious, insulin and IGF-1 with the huge diet.

    There have been many threads on this so please search next time.
    can you show me any of those threads plz.. so is it from insulin spike from food or what..

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    its not from food

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    igf peptides cause HUGE growth of intestines...that is the reason
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    Originally Posted by _Brock Landers_ View Post
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    Originally Posted by KevinSorbo View Post
    its not from food
    so the insulin spike from food is a different thing and i dont need to worry about it at all...?

    Originally Posted by devo09 View Post
    igf peptides cause HUGE growth of intestines...that is the reason
    so insulin spike has nothing to do with the large guts.. im confused here..

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    The insulin from eating food has no major affect and is nothing to worry about.

    We are talking about insulin and IGF-1 that is injected.
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    Originally Posted by Kiwi_Kid View Post
    The insulin from eating food has no major affect and is nothing to worry about.

    We are talking about insulin and IGF-1 that is injected.
    ty so the insulin spike from food is fine.

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    i wonder though if you are diabetic, if the single post workout insulin spike is still safe...
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    Originally Posted by lean.ryan View Post
    can you show me any of those threads plz.. so is it from insulin spike from food or what..
    Stop being so lazy....
    Like Brutis...you can do dis.

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    I call troll on this thread.

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    IGF-1 and Insulin cause GH gut. Send an email to every pro bodybuilder you can think of and ask them what causes GH gut, all of them will tell you it's not GH, it's not high levels of testosterone and it's not caused by eating large amounts of food. IGF-1 and Insulin are to blame.

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    The intestine is 8 meters long , its involuntary muscle with muscle cells like all other muscle
    When worked hard ( calories,digestion) combined with an increase of any anabolic hormones will create greater absorption of the mitochondria within the muscle cell directly increase in the size of that cell therefor increase the size of the muscle through the cell retention ( same as all muscle) .

    The fact is the bodybuilders of today just eat more and use far more anabolic hormones.
    When bodybuilding becomes about mass and freaky size and no longer an art nothing else can be expected


    When bodybuilding has been simplified to characters of absolute excess in all areas with no precision or form of intellectual control


    When bodybuilding is in the hands of the pimps that do not suffer the consequences of the health and lifestyle risks but handle a large % of the profit utilising the insecurities and past negative experiences of the physical gifted and using as a fuel for there motivation and keeping them on a narrow philosophical path of what 'bodybuilding ' is with this back up by empathetic fans that can not relate to reality but have an 'idea' created by fantasy possible based on the same insecurities and past negative experiences and created a 'symbolic' physical idea that would 'protect them'


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    Originally Posted by mark118 View Post
    i wonder though if you are diabetic, if the single post workout insulin spike is still safe...
    That's actually a good point, i know someone who's diabetic and weight trains, and his waiste is fairly massive.

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    Originally Posted by A_R_P_ View Post
    That's actually a good point, i know someone who's diabetic and weight trains, and his waiste is fairly massive.
    bull****, insulin has NOTHING to do with it...I'm a type one diabetic
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    Originally Posted by devo09 View Post
    bull****, insulin has NOTHING to do with it...I'm a type one diabetic
    You need to realise than diabetics only supplement insulin in normal amounts, it's a completely different story when you start injecting insulin in huge doses. The same goes with HRT, if you only inject normal amounts of testosterone then wouldn't say that testosterone makes you big and strong would you? However if you injected several grams on a regular basis to achieve a much higher than normal level you will certainly notice it's effects, the same goes with insulin, diabetiics injecting relatively normal amounts isn't going to change anything out of the ordinary, however injecting huge amounts well above the normal level is certainly going to have noticeable effects.
    Last edited by Kelei; 10-19-2009 at 06:55 AM.

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    Originally Posted by Kelei View Post
    You need to realise than diabetics only supplement insulin in normal amounts, it's a completely different story when you start injecting insulin in huge doses. The same goes with HRT, if you only inject normal amounts of testosterone then wouldn't say that testosterone makes you big and strong would you? However if you injected several grams on a regular basis to achieve a much higher than normal level you will certainly notice it's effects, the same goes with insulin, diabetiics injecting relatively normal amounts isn't going to change anything out of the ordinary, however injecting huge amounts well above the normal level is certainly going to have noticeable effects.
    do you have PROVE of this?
    Because there are many studies showing the effects of IGF on intenstines since they have many IGF receptors..
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    Originally Posted by devo09 View Post
    do you have PROVE of this?
    Because there are many studies showing the effects of IGF on intenstines since they have many IGF receptors..
    - IGF-1 causes intestine and organ growth
    - Insulin causes intra abdominal fat storage (an easily proved statement, google will find thousands of studies reporting this)

    The 2 act in different ways to produce the GH gut look, I hope this explains it better. If you ask any professional BB who has experience with these type of drugs they will tell you that it's IGF-1 and Insulin causing the guts, I've personally emailed many pros and been told the same thing by them all. GH can contribute very slightly because GH increases natural IGF-1 production within the body, although you would have to take extreme amounts of GH in order to get a noticeable effect.

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    Originally Posted by Kelei View Post
    - Insulin causes intra abdominal fat storage (an easily proved statement, google will find thousands of studies reporting this)
    Show me a study that injected insulin increases visceral fat storage...

    And not one concerning type 2 diabetics and are obese and inactive thus leading to their skeletal muscle insulin resistance
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    Originally Posted by devo09 View Post
    Show me a study that injected insulin increases visceral fat storage...

    And not one concerning type 2 diabetics and are obese and inactive thus leading to their skeletal muscle insulin resistance
    You just answered your own question. Type 2 diabetics are insulin resistant, this increases the amount of insulin that is released in response to food. The reason why insulin resistance increases visceral fat is because insulin resistance increases your insulin levels, the increased insulin levels cause visceral fat to increase.

    It's not insulin resistance directly causing visceral fat, it's the increased insulin levels (a side effect of insulin resistance) causing the visceral fat. A normal person may release 5 units of insulin in response to a certain meal, a type 2 diabetic may release 20 units of insulin in response to the same meal, the reason why type 2 diabetics have more visceral fat is because they produce 4 times the amount of insulin.

    I've emailed many pros and asked about insulin, basically I'll sum up all thier answers for you. You inject insulin and your gut gets bigger, you stop injecting insulin and it shrinks. Pretty clear if you ask me.
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    how the fuk would insulin cause you to have a big gut of course it doesnt thats stupid, im diabetic and i take 5-6 shots a day and last i checked i dont have one

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    Originally Posted by lean.ryan View Post
    ty so the insulin spike from food is fine.
    it will not cause big gut, but it may cause some other side effects if you eat too much sugars etc
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    Originally Posted by adam247 View Post
    The intestine is 8 meters long , its involuntary muscle with muscle cells like all other muscle
    When worked hard ( calories,digestion) combined with an increase of any anabolic hormones will create greater absorption of the mitochondria within the muscle cell directly increase in the size of that cell therefor increase the size of the muscle through the cell retention ( same as all muscle) .

    The fact is the bodybuilders of today just eat more and use far more anabolic hormones.
    When bodybuilding becomes about mass and freaky size and no longer an art nothing else can be expected


    When bodybuilding has been simplified to characters of absolute excess in all areas with no precision or form of intellectual control


    When bodybuilding is in the hands of the pimps that do not suffer the consequences of the health and lifestyle risks but handle a large % of the profit utilising the insecurities and past negative experiences of the physical gifted and using as a fuel for there motivation and keeping them on a narrow philosophical path of what 'bodybuilding ' is with this back up by empathetic fans that can not relate to reality but have an 'idea' created by fantasy possible based on the same insecurities and past negative experiences and created a 'symbolic' physical idea that would 'protect them'


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    Originally Posted by MIKE91 View Post
    how the fuk would insulin cause you to have a big gut of course it doesnt thats stupid, im diabetic and i take 5-6 shots a day and last i checked i dont have one
    You take 50ius + a day whilst pounding 800+ grams of carbs?
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    Originally Posted by lean.ryan View Post
    is it insulin the drug.. or insulin as in insulin spike from food or are they they same thing...

    shouldd i stop trying to get insulin spike in my post workout shake to prevent getting a gut?

    im alredy lean and have abs but starting to notice it slightly....

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    Originally Posted by Agentdark45 View Post
    You take 50ius + a day whilst pounding 800+ grams of carbs?
    no but at one point i was taking around 105-120 units a day and 550-600 carbs
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    Originally Posted by MIKE91 View Post
    no but at one point i was taking around 105-120 units a day and 550-600 carbs
    Along with several grams of testosterone which increases visceral fat when combined with insulin?

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