These were just posted a couple of days ago for 2010, so I thought I'd post them here for easy reference. Note that they are much LOWER than in recent years, so it is theoretically easier for us (and anyone else) to qualify for the Nationals. For example, in my case, the 190-192 total required in recent years to qualify as a 62'er (I know I know, I weigh like 2394783 lbs now) is now 182, which is very attainable for me!
Code:Men Nat'ls Juniors Collegiates School Age 56kg 155 126 110 tbd 62kg 182 165 137 tbd 69kg 215 185 170 tbd 77kg 244 205 195 tbd 85kg 258 217 203 tbd 94kg 283 218 213 tbd 105kg 285 220 214 tbd 105+kg 293 225 218 tbdCode:Women Nat'ls Juniors Collegiates School Age 48kg 98 83 77 tbd 53kg 119 95 88 tbd 58kg 129 108 96 tbd 63kg 137 115 102 tbd 69kg 141 116 104 tbd 75kg 149 117 109 tbd 75+kg 160 125 110 tbd
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10-12-2009, 06:16 AM #1
USA Weightlifting Qualifying Totals
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10-16-2009, 05:03 PM #9
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10-16-2009, 05:08 PM #10
Well, things went downhill in the 60's when Hoffman pissed off many of the senior lifters who would be coaches if they had not gotten so disgusted with him and pretty much left the sport. So now we have meets named after administrators, but how many are named after athletes?
Those who could never do managed to get teaching positions despite never being able to teach either. Even some of the supposed coaches from the 60's were not worth a damn, including Hoffman and Terpak.
As proud as I am of my country, we really need to do more overseas recruiting. Real heavy recruiting.
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10-16-2009, 05:54 PM #11
I think "first things first." If you want to compete with full-time athletes, we need full-time athletes. All the stuff about training methods and drugs are pointless.
Besides, we have a real-life Chinese coach in the states now. Can't remember his name off hand. We've also had Dragomir for a long time now. I bet most successful foreign coaches would say that we know plenty, we are just over-thinking the issue. If your lifters have to go to another job 20-40 hrs/wk and have little or no access to massage and such, can you really expect them to recover from any kind of miracle/secret training program?"However, the strength of the hamstring muscles is crucial to fully exploit the strength potential of the quads and ultimately the vertical force that the athlete is able to impart to the barbell." - Andrew Charniga, Jr.
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10-17-2009, 01:33 AM #12
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yeh i agree the coaches in the US aren't really the problem. From what i've heard most of the US coaches just copy what all the European coaches are doing anyway coz most of them have contact with foreign coaches. US just use everything else other countries use except China. As far as US weightlifting goes imo the problem lies more within the talent pool and the drug testing. There's a lot of talented US athletes but quite a few of them get drawn away from oly into football etc. The 1s that do remain in oly are forced into extreme drug-testing while lifters in Europe can use as much as they want as long as they don't get caught.
Now i know some of you probs thinking it's not all the drugs but it is. Natural athletes can get around the 90th percentile of their class but that's still a long way off the best in the world. Foreign coaches have come over to America to train like Ivan Abadjiev for example and they've been quoted saying 'why'd u bring me over to coach it's a waste of time without restoratives'.
Yeh i don't live in US i live in Australia but it's similar in Aus to US so yeh.
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10-17-2009, 03:21 AM #13
Well, no. And it kind of relates to my point. There has been more focus on admins and crap and less focus on the athletes and what they need.
But really at the basic/grass roots level I am not so sure that we know plenty. In another section of this forum, I am involved in a discussion about how terrible many strength coaches are at teaching the quick lifts.
If more of an effort was made to seek out not only athletes, but send decent coaches out to work with a wider range of athletes we might do better. There are any number of athletes with a half-way decent power clean who might become far more, but still wind up sticking with (as an example) football despite having no hope of ever even making second-string. Decent recruiting.
Other countries recruit, we need to if we are going to win.
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10-17-2009, 06:20 PM #14
Yeah, I guess I don't have much perspective. In northern California I saw coaches like Schmitz, Curry, the Douherty's, and other coaches with good lifters. Now I'm in Texas with coaches like Swords, Pendlay, Kechko, and others. So I haven't had much dealings with "strength coaches". Ironically, judging by competitions I have participated in, I would say Rippetoe is one of the worse coaches I have seen.
Recruit with what though?"However, the strength of the hamstring muscles is crucial to fully exploit the strength potential of the quads and ultimately the vertical force that the athlete is able to impart to the barbell." - Andrew Charniga, Jr.
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10-17-2009, 06:54 PM #15
Why do you think that's ironic? With his non-elite powerlifting background and focus on getting beginning and intermediate lifters strong, I'm not surprised he can't coach Oly lifting. He also stresses not teaching the front squat until the back squat is mastered, and teaching the power clean first before the full clean. Sounds about par for the course IMO
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10-17-2009, 08:23 PM #16
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10-18-2009, 05:28 AM #18
Agree, and that is the problem. Good coaches need to go out and recruit lifters. Too many wait for athletes to come to them. Clearly this is not working.
He is not an OL'ing coach in the slightest, from what I have seen. And his allegiance with the cult of crossfit, well, the less I say about that the better.
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10-18-2009, 10:03 AM #19
I had a chance to talk with him about 2 weeks ago, and I agree that he is not a good Oly coach. That doesn't mean is isn't coaching. He brought several lifters to our meet, and all of them were performing power versions of the lifts. Also, he is advocating a very high hip start position, reminiscent of the deadlift. He told me that after Glenn left Wichita Falls for CA, all of Glenn's old lifters made PR's under Rip's coaching. I don't fully believe that, but I don't follow his lifters progress.
Training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168969133
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10-18-2009, 10:32 AM #20
I've actually been using rip's high hip start position for my pulls and its made off the floor much easier and actually puts the bar into a good position to follow through into the 2nd pull; I could never actually keep a tight arch in my back until I used that position, the low hip position that most OLers say you need to implement to use your legs in the lift actually forced me to use my lower back more; some of his ideas are radical compared to the norm but there is merit to them IMO
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10-18-2009, 01:40 PM #21
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10-18-2009, 03:36 PM #22
I think so, I heard that he actually took a job out there. I don't know if it's with California Strength or not, but that is where he's coaching now. In some of the videos they're posting on YouTube (Donny Shankle snatching 170 kg) you can hear him in the background (and see him where Donny is jerking 195 for a triple).
Training log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168969133
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10-24-2009, 09:28 PM #23
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