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    USA Weightlifting Qualifying Totals

    These were just posted a couple of days ago for 2010, so I thought I'd post them here for easy reference. Note that they are much LOWER than in recent years, so it is theoretically easier for us (and anyone else) to qualify for the Nationals. For example, in my case, the 190-192 total required in recent years to qualify as a 62'er (I know I know, I weigh like 2394783 lbs now) is now 182, which is very attainable for me!

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    Men   Nat'ls  Juniors Collegiates  School Age
    56kg    155     126       110          tbd
    62kg    182     165       137          tbd
    69kg    215     185       170          tbd
    77kg    244     205       195          tbd
    85kg    258     217       203          tbd
    94kg    283     218       213          tbd
    105kg   285     220       214          tbd
    105+kg  293     225       218          tbd
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    Women Nat'ls  Juniors  Collegiates School Age
    48kg     98      83        77          tbd
    53kg    119      95        88          tbd
    58kg    129     108        96          tbd
    63kg    137     115       102          tbd
    69kg    141     116       104          tbd
    75kg    149     117       109          tbd
    75+kg   160     125       110          tbd
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    damn, 258 for 85's and 283 for 94's; that's a big difference! I'd need to be as strong as koing for that, oh well collegiates seems like a possibility in a few months though
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    damn I wish i started weightlifting a couple years ago.. i would have been close to getting to collegiate for 85kg
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    Originally Posted by GoJu View Post
    damn, 258 for 85's and 283 for 94's; that's a big difference! I'd need to be as strong as koing for that, oh well collegiates seems like a possibility in a few months though
    The really striking thing to me is the virtual lack of difference between the top 3 weight classes!!! (top 4 for Juniors) I mean why bother trying to cut weight at all if you're the least bit heavy?

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    damn I wish i started weightlifting a couple years ago.. i would have been close to getting to collegiate for 85kg
    How many more years of college do you have?
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    What about the difference betweent the 94's and 105's? 2 kg!!!! Why not make 94's a little bit lower, seems sort of odd to discourage many people from competing in the 94's. Thoughts?
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    Originally Posted by olyw8lifter View Post
    What about the difference betweent the 94's and 105's? 2 kg!!!! Why not make 94's a little bit lower, seems sort of odd to discourage many people from competing in the 94's. Thoughts?
    Yeah, that's what I meant. It's really rather ridiculous! The US is always clamoring for another heavy class below the supers (125kg or whatever) because then it would attract more "big guys", but if there's practically no difference to qualify at 94, 105 or 105+, then clearly something is broken.
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    Originally Posted by madaozeki View Post
    Yeah, that's what I meant. It's really rather ridiculous! The US is always clamoring for another heavy class below the supers (125kg or whatever) because then it would attract more "big guys", but if there's practically no difference to qualify at 94, 105 or 105+, then clearly something is broken.
    Not a lot of sound decisions have been made in recent decades.
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    Originally Posted by Arlecchino View Post
    Not a lot of sound decisions have been made in recent decades.
    No joke. Just dissolve the USAW, and disperse the $2 million/year budget to the top lifters. Our results would greatly improve.
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    Originally Posted by madaozeki View Post
    How many more years of college do you have?
    im graduating in may 2010
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    Originally Posted by raffiki View Post
    No joke. Just dissolve the USAW, and disperse the $2 million/year budget to the top lifters. Our results would greatly improve.
    Well, things went downhill in the 60's when Hoffman pissed off many of the senior lifters who would be coaches if they had not gotten so disgusted with him and pretty much left the sport. So now we have meets named after administrators, but how many are named after athletes?

    Those who could never do managed to get teaching positions despite never being able to teach either. Even some of the supposed coaches from the 60's were not worth a damn, including Hoffman and Terpak.

    As proud as I am of my country, we really need to do more overseas recruiting. Real heavy recruiting.
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    Originally Posted by Arlecchino View Post
    Well, things went downhill in the 60's when Hoffman pissed off many of the senior lifters who would be coaches if they had not gotten so disgusted with him and pretty much left the sport. So now we have meets named after administrators, but how many are named after athletes?

    Those who could never do managed to get teaching positions despite never being able to teach either. Even some of the supposed coaches from the 60's were not worth a damn, including Hoffman and Terpak.

    As proud as I am of my country, we really need to do more overseas recruiting. Real heavy recruiting.
    I think "first things first." If you want to compete with full-time athletes, we need full-time athletes. All the stuff about training methods and drugs are pointless.

    Besides, we have a real-life Chinese coach in the states now. Can't remember his name off hand. We've also had Dragomir for a long time now. I bet most successful foreign coaches would say that we know plenty, we are just over-thinking the issue. If your lifters have to go to another job 20-40 hrs/wk and have little or no access to massage and such, can you really expect them to recover from any kind of miracle/secret training program?
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    Originally Posted by raffiki View Post
    I think "first things first." If you want to compete with full-time athletes, we need full-time athletes. All the stuff about training methods and drugs are pointless.

    Besides, we have a real-life Chinese coach in the states now. Can't remember his name off hand. We've also had Dragomir for a long time now. I bet most successful foreign coaches would say that we know plenty, we are just over-thinking the issue. If your lifters have to go to another job 20-40 hrs/wk and have little or no access to massage and such, can you really expect them to recover from any kind of miracle/secret training program?
    yeh i agree the coaches in the US aren't really the problem. From what i've heard most of the US coaches just copy what all the European coaches are doing anyway coz most of them have contact with foreign coaches. US just use everything else other countries use except China. As far as US weightlifting goes imo the problem lies more within the talent pool and the drug testing. There's a lot of talented US athletes but quite a few of them get drawn away from oly into football etc. The 1s that do remain in oly are forced into extreme drug-testing while lifters in Europe can use as much as they want as long as they don't get caught.
    Now i know some of you probs thinking it's not all the drugs but it is. Natural athletes can get around the 90th percentile of their class but that's still a long way off the best in the world. Foreign coaches have come over to America to train like Ivan Abadjiev for example and they've been quoted saying 'why'd u bring me over to coach it's a waste of time without restoratives'.

    Yeh i don't live in US i live in Australia but it's similar in Aus to US so yeh.
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    Originally Posted by raffiki View Post
    I think "first things first." If you want to compete with full-time athletes, we need full-time athletes. All the stuff about training methods and drugs are pointless.

    Besides, we have a real-life Chinese coach in the states now. Can't remember his name off hand. We've also had Dragomir for a long time now. I bet most successful foreign coaches would say that we know plenty, we are just over-thinking the issue. If your lifters have to go to another job 20-40 hrs/wk and have little or no access to massage and such, can you really expect them to recover from any kind of miracle/secret training program?
    Well, no. And it kind of relates to my point. There has been more focus on admins and crap and less focus on the athletes and what they need.

    But really at the basic/grass roots level I am not so sure that we know plenty. In another section of this forum, I am involved in a discussion about how terrible many strength coaches are at teaching the quick lifts.

    If more of an effort was made to seek out not only athletes, but send decent coaches out to work with a wider range of athletes we might do better. There are any number of athletes with a half-way decent power clean who might become far more, but still wind up sticking with (as an example) football despite having no hope of ever even making second-string. Decent recruiting.

    Other countries recruit, we need to if we are going to win.
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    Originally Posted by Arlecchino View Post
    But really at the basic/grass roots level I am not so sure that we know plenty. In another section of this forum, I am involved in a discussion about how terrible many strength coaches are at teaching the quick lifts.
    Yeah, I guess I don't have much perspective. In northern California I saw coaches like Schmitz, Curry, the Douherty's, and other coaches with good lifters. Now I'm in Texas with coaches like Swords, Pendlay, Kechko, and others. So I haven't had much dealings with "strength coaches". Ironically, judging by competitions I have participated in, I would say Rippetoe is one of the worse coaches I have seen.

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    Other countries recruit, we need to if we are going to win.
    Recruit with what though?
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    Originally Posted by raffiki View Post
    Ironically, judging by competitions I have participated in, I would say Rippetoe is one of the worse coaches I have seen.
    Why do you think that's ironic? With his non-elite powerlifting background and focus on getting beginning and intermediate lifters strong, I'm not surprised he can't coach Oly lifting. He also stresses not teaching the front squat until the back squat is mastered, and teaching the power clean first before the full clean. Sounds about par for the course IMO
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    Originally Posted by madaozeki View Post
    Why do you think that's ironic? With his non-elite powerlifting background and focus on getting beginning and intermediate lifters strong, I'm not surprised he can't coach Oly lifting. He also stresses not teaching the front squat until the back squat is mastered, and teaching the power clean first before the full clean. Sounds about par for the course IMO
    Ironic because he seems to be the most highly revered in this forum.
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    Originally Posted by raffiki View Post
    Ironic because he seems to be the most highly revered in this forum.
    One level up maybe
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    Originally Posted by raffiki View Post
    Yeah, I guess I don't have much perspective. In northern California I saw coaches like Schmitz, Curry, the Douherty's, and other coaches with good lifters. Now I'm in Texas with coaches like Swords, Pendlay, Kechko, and others. So I haven't had much dealings with "strength coaches". Ironically, judging by competitions I have participated in, I would say Rippetoe is one of the worse coaches I have seen.



    Recruit with what though?
    Agree, and that is the problem. Good coaches need to go out and recruit lifters. Too many wait for athletes to come to them. Clearly this is not working.

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    Why do you think that's ironic? With his non-elite powerlifting background and focus on getting beginning and intermediate lifters strong, I'm not surprised he can't coach Oly lifting. He also stresses not teaching the front squat until the back squat is mastered, and teaching the power clean first before the full clean. Sounds about par for the course IMO
    He is not an OL'ing coach in the slightest, from what I have seen. And his allegiance with the cult of crossfit, well, the less I say about that the better.
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    I had a chance to talk with him about 2 weeks ago, and I agree that he is not a good Oly coach. That doesn't mean is isn't coaching. He brought several lifters to our meet, and all of them were performing power versions of the lifts. Also, he is advocating a very high hip start position, reminiscent of the deadlift. He told me that after Glenn left Wichita Falls for CA, all of Glenn's old lifters made PR's under Rip's coaching. I don't fully believe that, but I don't follow his lifters progress.
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    I've actually been using rip's high hip start position for my pulls and its made off the floor much easier and actually puts the bar into a good position to follow through into the 2nd pull; I could never actually keep a tight arch in my back until I used that position, the low hip position that most OLers say you need to implement to use your legs in the lift actually forced me to use my lower back more; some of his ideas are radical compared to the norm but there is merit to them IMO
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    Originally Posted by olyw8lifter View Post
    I had a chance to talk with him about 2 weeks ago, and I agree that he is not a good Oly coach. That doesn't mean is isn't coaching. He brought several lifters to our meet, and all of them were performing power versions of the lifts. Also, he is advocating a very high hip start position, reminiscent of the deadlift. He told me that after Glenn left Wichita Falls for CA, all of Glenn's old lifters made PR's under Rip's coaching. I don't fully believe that, but I don't follow his lifters progress.
    Did Glenn relocate permanently?
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    I think so, I heard that he actually took a job out there. I don't know if it's with California Strength or not, but that is where he's coaching now. In some of the videos they're posting on YouTube (Donny Shankle snatching 170 kg) you can hear him in the background (and see him where Donny is jerking 195 for a triple).
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    Only 98 for 48 kg women?????????????????????? Is that a typo? It's 118 in Canada.
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    Originally Posted by slyng View Post
    Only 98 for 48 kg women?????????????????????? Is that a typo? It's 118 in Canada.
    They're trying to up the participation #'s. And lower the quality of the lifting...

    Move here?

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