should i workout more

hartwigken · 10-08-2009, 01:56 PM

i workout on a four day split and seem to recover really well. last week i wanted to check and see if i could recover from 2 days of heavy squats and i did fine. no more soreness than usual. do you think i could do 5 days of working out.

BTW i squatted monday and friday. my usual week is as shown.
sun- rep upper
mon-dynamic lower
wed-max upper
fri-max lower

hartwigken · 10-08-2009, 04:04 PM

up plz

NIguy · 10-08-2009, 04:27 PM

I workout 6 days a week at the moment and it works well for me - there is no rule that says you can't gain strength and or muscle on a 6day week program. You'll find out if it works well for you by trying it out.

bigtallox · 10-08-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NIguy

there is no rule that says you can't gain strength and or muscle on a 6day week program.

No, but the vast majority of people would make better progress on a 3 or 4 day a week program. *Maybe* absolute beginners can make progress 6 days a week for a very short period of time, but other than that even 5 days a week is too much for almost everybody.

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Originally Posted by hartwigken

last week i wanted to check and see if i could recover from 2 days of heavy squats and i did fine. no more soreness than usual.

Just like it's not a good indicator that you're stimulating your body to build muscle, soreness isn't a good indicator of recovery. I did a full power meet almost two weeks ago. I wasn't sore at all, ever. 4 days later I went to do my light/active recovery session, and it was clear I wasn't recovered, but soreness never entered into it.

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Originally Posted by hartwigken

do you think i could do 5 days of working out.

Why do you want to? Are you just bored and want to spend unnecessary time in the gym? IMHO, don't 4 days a week is fine/enough.

NIguy · 10-08-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtallox

No, but the vast majority of people would make better progress on a 3 or 4 day a week program. *Maybe* absolute beginners can make progress 6 days a week for a very short period of time, but other than that even 5 days a week is too much for almost everybody.

There are no hard and fast rules to weight training, the principle of progression towards and achieving a goal is king. There are also no optimum number of days to workout, reps scheme that works best for everyone, no number of sets that is optimum. You should know this having trained as long as you have. 6 days at this moment in time might be perfect for him, but he won't know until he has tried.

glwanabe · 10-08-2009, 05:44 PM

These are the rules.

http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html

bigtallox · 10-08-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NIguy

There are no hard and fast rules to weight training, the principle of progression towards and achieving a goal is king. There are also no optimum number of days to workout, reps scheme that works best for everyone, no number of sets that is optimum. You should know this having trained as long as you have.

Did you read my post? I didn't say there were hard and fast rules. Where did I say the words that you're trying to put into my mouth?

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Originally Posted by NIguy

You should know this having trained as long as you have. 6 days at this moment in time might be perfect for him, but he won't know until he has tried.

What I do know based on the many years I've been training is that 6 days a week is too much for everybody except for *possibly* absolute beginners for a short period of time. Sure, obviously, he's free to try it. But as somebody who has tried everything, I'm just trying to save him some time. Sure everybody is different, but we aren't all that much different. For most people 3 days is optimal, some can get away with doing 4. If you're able to train 6 days a week, then I'd say you're not doing anything with enough intensity ( ie enough weight ) so you might as well be doing nothing if your goal is building muscle.

ivoryce · 10-08-2009, 08:33 PM

Have u considered increasing your weights instead? If you're at max and recovering well, then for sure, throw in more days and if your performance/energy/recovery suffer, drop it back

NIguy · 10-09-2009, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bigtallox

Did you read my post? I didn't say there were hard and fast rules. Where did I say the words that you're trying to put into my mouth?

Oh I read your post alright, my original post was pretty clear I thought. Try it and see was the basic take home message because who knows it might work... Your the one that had to throw in your two cents and reclarify an already clarified position. If he feels that he can progress faster why not - there are no hard and fast rules as I said and you are supposedly agreeing with me and then you say this

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Originally Posted by bigtallox

What I do know based on the many years I've been training is that 6 days a week is too much for everybody except for *possibly* absolute beginners for a short period of time. Sure, obviously, he's free to try it. But as somebody who has tried everything, I'm just trying to save him some time. Sure everybody is different, but we aren't all that much different. For most people 3 days is optimal, some can get away with doing 4. If you're able to train 6 days a week, then I'd say you're not doing anything with enough intensity ( ie enough weight ) so you might as well be doing nothing if your goal is building muscle.

I have worked out 3 days and weeks, 4 days a weeks, 5days a week and 6 days a week. All successfully at one point or another. Claiming that it doesn't work for everyone is idiotic because simple observation of my own progress and that of others I know tell me that you are wrong. I completely disagree with the notion that all* ('too much for everybody') experienced lifters cannot progress on 6 days a week program - Olympic lifters do, as do I. Dispute and disprove these fact.

Besides you have been down this road before, perphaps you need to reread this
'i just want to train all day'
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=119391381

I have read every post in this thread.

perduebs · 10-09-2009, 07:41 AM

Training 5 days a week can work well for natural lifters given the right routine. Natural lifters need to be somewhat careful when using 5 day routines and should watch for signs of overtraining.

That being said, I do not know you or your body and could not tell you what would work for you. You have to find out on your own through experimentation.

I can tell you for sure that if what you are doing is working, then you need to stick with it until it stops working (don't fix it if it ain't broke).

hartwigken · 10-10-2009, 01:15 PM

what are some signs of overtraining other than not being able to lift the same weight each week?
both of you make good points. the reason i want to workout for 5 days a week is to get maximal gains as i feel i am not getting my full potential currently. Another reason is to train my muscles that are far weaker than the others. (i had 2 acl reconstructions in my right knee and my shoulders need work)

glwanabe · 10-10-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hartwigken

1.)what are some signs of overtraining other than not being able to lift the same weight each week?

2.) both of you make good points.

3.) the reason i want to workout for 5 days a week is to get maximal gains as i feel i am not getting my full potential currently.

4.)Another reason is to train my muscles that are far weaker than the others. (i had 2 acl reconstructions in my right knee and my shoulders need work)

1.) Not listening to the advice you have already been given is a sure sign of overtraining.

2.) But your not listening or comprehending what is being said

3.) It does not matter why you want to work work out more.

4.) More is not better

I already linked you this earlier in the thread. Did you read this?

http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html

Go back and read this.

hartwigken · 10-13-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by glwanabe

1.) Not listening to the advice you have already been given is a sure sign of overtraining.

2.) But your not listening or comprehending what is being said

3.) It does not matter why you want to work work out more.

4.) More is not better

I already linked you this earlier in the thread. Did you read this?

http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html

Go back and read this.

yeah. and i actually read the entire article when you posted the first time.
i like most of it and appreciate the link but the cholesterol part is not right as far as i have researched.
i have decided to stick with a 4 day split and just push myself harder. yesterday i had a great workout and also it was the first day i logged it. i will continue logging and posting in my thread so check it out if you want http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=119677661