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    Originally Posted by c4b4llero View Post
    Thanks for the reply!

    Anyone able to provide info on the following: "Also, in looking through the thread I've seen that intra-workout carb/BCAA/hydrolyzed caseinate shoudn't hinder/compete with the strategies listed here to maximize ARA absorportion. Is this a correct summation? While intr-workout nutrition may not totally render ARA useless, what would be the optimal PERI protocol?"

    Lastly, I've seen people mention running PA with ARA. I'm looking to include Cutler's King with this for that same reason (already purchased before becoming aware of soy lecithin). Dosage w/in King seems to be sufficient for a nice effect, but can anyone speak to this (please let me know if it's from your personal experience or what you've seen).

    Thanks again guys for the replies. I've gone through the thread mutliple times, and each time I've seen 'an answer' that I may not be searching for at the time, but when it is something I try and go back and fish for can never seem to relocate.
    Intra workout supplementation shouldn't interfere with ArA's effects. Exercise will cause a rise in epinephrine and this will inhibit insulin secretion.

    You can dose PA with ArA. The reason a lot of people would prefer Soy Lecithin over PA alone is Soy Lecithin acts as an emulsifying agent for the ArA, plus comes with a host of other benefits (the phospholipids in general).
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    Lots of good info in this thread....

    Originally Posted by Sleev-les View Post
    Thread seems to have died, but I wanted to post an update on this run

    I'm on my second run of XF, 5 weeks in roughly

    Taking:

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    So far, this run I have increased my incline dumbell press as follows

    70# x 12; 80# x 12; 90# x 10; 100# x 8; 110# x 6 (110# is up from 90# at the beginning of this XF cycle)

    Squats increased as follows (keep in mind I could never squat for chit)

    95# x 15; 135# x 12; 155# x 10; 185# x 8; 205# x 8 (205# x 8 is up from 185# x 6)

    I logged these 2 exercises since they are heavier hitters. Just an update on my XF journey.
    How many weeks are you going to run it for?
    You ran it earlier this year to correct? What were the end results of that previous run?
    Like I said in a few other threads I'm 2 weeks in and haven't seen anything major yet, I'll give it more time.
    Seems it hit or miss with folks.
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    I buy 3 bottles for a 50 day run (6 pills pre on workout days only)

    The first go around I noticed significant growth in my chest, shoulders, thighs (this was after the 50 days. It was about a 1/2" increase). After 3 weeks roughly that I started noticing a difference. This time I added GG2 to my stack and still take WFR (has some LCLT). As of recent, I changed my BCAA's to BPI Best BCAA and it has a CLA complex in it. (just to give you an idea of what else I'm taking.) Right now Im running certain lifts like this:

    Incline dumbell press: 70 x 12, 80 x 12, 90 x 10, 100 x 8, 110 x 6 (110 is up from me only getting 90 x 5)
    My squat (as of yesterday): 95 x 15 (warmup set), 135 x 12, 185 x 10, 225 x 8, 245 x 6 (245 is the highest I've been ever since I always avoided squats)
    Leg Press: 360 x 12, 450 x 12, 540 x 12, 630 x 10, 720 x 10
    Shoulder Press (machine): 180 x 12, 230 x 12, 270 x 10, 320 x 8

    This are just some of what I saw major improvements in this go around. I'm on my last bottle so this run will be over soon. I also was running a fairly clean diet. This week has been off the wagon though, but didn't see any drop in my workouts....

    Originally Posted by AJP1 View Post
    Lots of good info in this thread....



    How many weeks are you going to run it for?
    You ran it earlier this year to correct? What were the end results of that previous run?
    Like I said in a few other threads I'm 2 weeks in and haven't seen anything major yet, I'll give it more time.
    Seems it hit or miss with folks.
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    Originally Posted by Sleev-les View Post
    I buy 3 bottles for a 50 day run (6 pills pre on workout days only)

    The first go around I noticed significant growth in my chest, shoulders, thighs (this was after the 50 days. It was about a 1/2" increase). After 3 weeks roughly that I started noticing a difference. This time I added GG2 to my stack and still take WFR (has some LCLT). As of recent, I changed my BCAA's to BPI Best BCAA and it has a CLA complex in it. (just to give you an idea of what else I'm taking.) Right now Im running certain lifts like this:

    Incline dumbell press: 70 x 12, 80 x 12, 90 x 10, 100 x 8, 110 x 6 (110 is up from me only getting 90 x 5)
    My squat (as of yesterday): 95 x 15 (warmup set), 135 x 12, 185 x 10, 225 x 8, 245 x 6 (245 is the highest I've been ever since I always avoided squats)
    Leg Press: 360 x 12, 450 x 12, 540 x 12, 630 x 10, 720 x 10
    Shoulder Press (machine): 180 x 12, 230 x 12, 270 x 10, 320 x 8

    This are just some of what I saw major improvements in this go around. I'm on my last bottle so this run will be over soon. I also was running a fairly clean diet. This week has been off the wagon though, but didn't see any drop in my workouts....
    So you didn't notice a kick in period until around the 3 week mark?
    Did you notice the DOMS/pumps/fullness before the 3 week mark?
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    Has anyone had any issues with back acne while taking ARA? I just started taking X-gels and have taken XFA as well. I have never had an issue with back acne; however ARA makes me break out. If so, what can I do to keep it at bay while using ARA?
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    Originally Posted by safdrob View Post
    Has anyone had any issues with back acne while taking ARA? I just started taking X-gels and have taken XFA as well. I have never had an issue with back acne; however ARA makes me break out. If so, what can I do to keep it at bay while using ARA?
    A small amount of users seem to see a slight increase in acne.

    For those predisposed to this side effect, I would simply advise washing your affected skin area 2-3 times a day w your preferred skin wash.
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    Originally Posted by safdrob View Post
    Has anyone had any issues with back acne while taking ARA? I just started taking X-gels and have taken XFA as well. I have never had an issue with back acne; however ARA makes me break out. If so, what can I do to keep it at bay while using ARA?
    No increase in acne here.... I've got about 3 more days in this cycle...
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    Got my first bottle of original on the way. Only going to take it with Komodo Katana, Compete, Glycergrow and Orange Triad (not taking it within 3 hours or so of taking X-Factor) for my first go around.
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    Originally Posted by Sleev-les View Post
    No increase in acne here.... I've got about 3 more days in this cycle...
    I never got acne w XF either.

    Originally Posted by MikePlow View Post
    Got my first bottle of original on the way. Only going to take it with Komodo Katana, Compete, Glycergrow and Orange Triad (not taking it within 3 hours or so of taking X-Factor) for my first go around.
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