Calling out Jackamo

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Infringing on civil liberties and giving the government absolute power is worth it for a "more secure country"?

You think being incarcerated without due process and any way of proving your innocence is a good thing?



Actually that video is right wing, conservative libertarian propaganda.



The bill of rights and your constitution is disappearing. Just because the **** has not hit the fan for most americans yet doesn't mean this isn't a problem to be concerned about.

Germany in the early days of Hitler wasn't the worst place to be. We are currently in a period of GREAT freedom for this past couple of generations, but COMPLACENCY is changing that.

I've been grand last month, with no suppressed freedoms. That doesn't mean that my country didn't just narrowly shoot down a document that would have turned Europe into a totalitarian superstate (Lisbon Treaty). But people are so complacent and trusting of the future because THEY are okay now!

I think one of the most dangerous things is leaving it up to the government to reduce crime, leaving up to the government to protect you and lead your lives. If the government can give you all of that, it can take it away.

And history has shown that any power that a government has - it will use.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

what have you wanted to do in the last month but couldnt do because of our "supressed freedom."

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Read my post before replying to it.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Yep, I must have missed this! Damn them for supressing your freedoms! Oh wait.

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Odd, that was a pretty important part. It was followed by this:

"That doesn't mean that my country didn't just narrowly shoot down a document that would have turned Europe into a totalitarian superstate (Lisbon Treaty). But people are so complacent and trusting of the future because THEY are okay now!"

Disagree? State why.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Disagree with what?

They shot it down..they don't want a totalitarian state obviously, and they're obviously not turning it into one.

How ironic is it that the government is trying to suppress all your freedoms yet the people of that country have used their given right to vote it down. Damn that government for suppressing its people! Oh wait..again.






...says the government spy.

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

It didn't pass. General consensus in Europe is that it probably will by next year.

Learn what you're talking about before you reply.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Bahahaha

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

There SHOULD, according to EU Law, be no Lisbon Treaty, but there is. And it is likely to be passed in Europe.

You are pretending that because it didn't pass, there is no Lisbon Treaty. Which is completely wrong.

Again, before you reply, find out what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

and...there isnt! Magic!

If it is passed next year I will gladly never return to this forum and proclaim I didnt just **** on you in this thread.

Goodnight sweet prince.

[AKR]

lol, I take it the treaty passed?

Edit: You could always just stick him on ignore like I have. It's pretty much like him not being in the forum.

[BTI]

Ouch.

[st_jimmy]

Could you aware a bit about this treaty?

[Skettch]

Just wondering, why do you care that it passed?

I said this before, but unless you're like me there is no reason for you to be against it, considering you already embrace the values and ideologies setforth by its creators.

Its like BB obsessing with random CT videos and yet staunchly defending current social orthodoxy.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by Skettch

Just wondering, why do you care that it passed?

I said this before, but unless you're like me there is no reason for you to be against it, considering you already embrace the values and ideologies setforth by its creators.

Its like BB obsessing with random CT videos and yet staunchly defending current social orthodoxy.

Absolutely false.

Yes there is some overlap (like them, I don't have a problem with different races being in my country) but I strongly reject many of their fundamental social and economic policies.

I reject the structure of the EU that the Lisbon Treaty sets out. There are loads of reasons for me to be against it, reasons that clearly and irrefutably conflict the ideologies and values of its creators. (Heavy centralisation of unelected and unnaccountable micromanaging bureacratic power that supersedes all national sovereignty, hardly consistent with my libertarianism)

This really deserves its own thread though. If you'd start it I'd be capable of and more than happy to oblige answering any questions you'd put for me.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by AKR

lol, I take it the treaty passed?

Edit: You could always just stick him on ignore like I have. It's pretty much like him not being in the forum.

I think putting people on ignore in the R/P is just a show of intellectual cowardice. It does nothing to refute a person's arguments. It's like covering your ears in a debate and refusing to answer questions. I just don't think it solves anything other than maybe making you feel good, lol. However, i think most people in the R/P are here to discuss their ideas.

[Spetsnazos]

is he going to self-ban himself?

[rockyl686]

first it was the gJohnson5 callout thread and now this one, strong callout threads are strong

[fodosho]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

I think putting people on ignore in the R/P is just a show of intellectual cowardice. It does nothing to refute a person's arguments. It's like covering your ears in a debate and refusing to answer questions. I just don't think it solves anything other than maybe making you feel good, lol. However, i think most people in the R/P are here to discuss their ideas.

sometimes you have to ignore ignorance because they will never see the truth/ open up their opinion to see other views before they decide what to believe. There are two kinds of people you can't debate, people who are ignorant and people who are religious.

[AKR]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

I think putting people on ignore in the R/P is just a show of intellectual cowardice. It does nothing to refute a person's arguments. It's like covering your ears in a debate and refusing to answer questions. I just don't think it solves anything other than maybe making you feel good, lol. However, i think most people in the R/P are here to discuss their ideas.

I've already been through this with other people. Is it intellectual cowardice to not get in an argument with a 4 year old? Is it cowardly to simply ignore their childish comments or the inability to grasp simple concepts? Is it cowardly to not attempt to discuss things with retarded people? Certain people simply are not capable of carrying on an intelligent and civil conversation with adults, and therefore, it is pointless in discussing anything with them. It is rather foolish to waste your time debating with every single person on the internet, especially when they've shown time and time again that they are neither capable of an intelligent debate or remaining civil. Do you think we should feed the trolls? I mean, come on, the first rule of forums is "don't waste your time with people you know aren't going to offer any kind of meaningful conversation."

Are you saying Jackamo is more intelligent and more civil than you, because that's what it sounds like. Calling me a coward, as if I'm afraid of debating him, but I'm not afraid of debating you. If you were to see my ignore list, I highly doubt you would consider it the most intelligent and mature group of individuals on the board.

I won't reply on this topic again in this thread because I don't want to hijack.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

I think putting people on ignore in the R/P is just a show of intellectual cowardice. It does nothing to refute a person's arguments. It's like covering your ears in a debate and refusing to answer questions. I just don't think it solves anything other than maybe making you feel good, lol. However, i think most people in the R/P are here to discuss their ideas.

It can be, it doesn't mean it necessarily is. There are a lot of people on the forum that can't engage in a reasonable discussion.

That said I ain't gonna put anybody on ignore. I just wanna see if he'll keep to his word. If not, either way is lulz. Self pwnage ftw.

[jackamo2887]

Original thread please?

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Original thread please?

Links are available the top of the page in any of the posts you choose to click on, right beside the username.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Original thread please?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=134

Bye...

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=134

Bye...

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Goodnight sweet prince.

Old 07-11-2008, 08:53 PM

As of 3 October 2009 (2009 -10-03)[update], 24 of the total 27 member states have ratified the Treaty[5], with formal ratification processes in Ireland, as well as the signature of the Czech President being remaining obstacles before the Treaty can enter into force. This is currently scheduled to take place 1 January 2010.

One year after post and still no Treaty of Lisbon.

Good job, you fail.

[Spetsnazos]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

One year after post and still no Treaty of Lisbon.

Good job, you fail.

**** just got real

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by Spetsnazos

**** just got real

**** just got real quiet.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

One year after post and still no Treaty of Lisbon.

Good job, you fail.

No Treaty Of Lisbon? What did you google to get that result? What did I just vote against a few days ago?

I'm seriously looking for an answer btw.

My only fail was jumping the gun in bumping too early, since it passed in Ireland (a clear refutation of the implications in your third post). I admit that one. Everything I said in the discussion was valid and backed up, and your responses, well, were absolutely shat on. Real quiet you say? What do you mean by that?

What happens on January 1st? Past the early bumpage, will I still have "failed"?

How does a single procrastinating eurosceptic refute anything I claimed? (Except I admit, my failure in early bumpage)

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

No Treaty Of Lisbon? What did you google to get that result? What did I just vote against a few days ago?

I'm seriously looking for an answer btw.

My only fail was jumping the gun in bumping too early, since it passed in Ireland (a clear refutation of the implications in your third post). I admit that one. Everything I said in the discussion was valid and backed up, and your responses, well, were absolutely shat on. Real quiet you say? What do you mean by that?

What happens on January 1st? Past the early bumpage, will I still have "failed"?

How does a single procrastinating eurosceptic refute anything I claimed? (Except I admit, my failure in early bumpage)

You're getting excited, this is funny.

Yes, there is no treaty of Lisbon yet. In the wonderful EU that you reside in every member nation has to have their house or parliament agree to it then the president (prime minister, who ever) has to sign it.

The president of the Czech Republic is a Eurosceptic and is holding out on signing the treaty which would put it into force.

This may take a year or 6 months..either way it will be a year past the original date of my post and most likely into 2010 from what I have been reading.

Thus you fail, again. That is 2 years in a row you have failed, I look forward to bringing in the New Year with another wonderful demonstration of you making a clown of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_...Czech_Republic

edit: My god man! What are you doing?! It's time to start the revolution! Ireland ratified the Treaty, your freedoms have suddenly all been oppressed!

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

You're getting excited, this is funny.

Yes, there is no treaty of Lisbon yet.

I've held it in my hands and read it page to page. There is one, it has not being passed in all of Europe yet.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

In the wonderful EU that you reside in every member nation has to have their house or parliament agree to it then the president (prime minister, who ever) has to sign it.

The president of the Czech Republic is a Eurosceptic and is holding out on signing the treaty which would put it into force.

This may take a year or 6 months..either way it will be a year past the original date of my post and most likely into 2010 from what I have been reading.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Thus you fail, again. That is 2 years in a row you have failed, I look forward to bringing in the New Year with another wonderful demonstration of you making a clown of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_...Czech_Republic

2 years in a row? How? It's been 1 year since this argument. How do I fail again?

Here's my fail: This callout thread in reference to the timeline you set out yourself. My fail, (as I can freely admit to my fails...) started yesterday.

Can you please point out any other fail? After all, you were completely shat on in the last discussion and didn't refute anything I said. (Though you did laugh wildly and make random red herrings)

*Interesting edit point: strong failure to answer questions.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

edit: My god man! What are you doing?! It's time to start the revolution! Ireland ratified the Treaty, your freedoms have suddenly all been oppressed!

Oh noes, not a strawman! How could I possibly deal with that?

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

I've held it in my hands and read it page to page. There is one, it has not being passed in all of Europe yet.

Really? It hasn't been passed yet? Which means..there is no Treaty of Lisbon in effect right now? This hasn't been my argument for the past year and a half

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Here's my fail: This callout thread in reference to the timeline you set out yourself. My fail, (as I can freely admit to my fails...) started yesterday.

Can you please point out any other fail? After all, you were completely shat on in the last discussion and didn't refute anything I said. (Though you did laugh wildly and make random red herrings)

This entire thread is your fail. You made a callout thread and made a clown of yourself when you're just wrong in relation to our little argument.

You said: The treaty of Lisbon is likely to be passed in Europe.

I said: The Treaty of Lisbon will not be passed in Europe in the next year.


It's currently more then a year past the date of my original post and it doesn't look like the Treaty will be coming into play until around 2010.

Then you make a ridiculous call out thread claiming you're somehow..right? You said it yourself, all of Europe have yet to pass it which means there is no Treaty of Lisbon in effect in Europe at this time.

Had Ireland passed it and Ireland's PM signed it as well as the Czech President signed it you would have a case. But the President of the Czech Republic has yet to do so. So you're wrong.

Clear enough?

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Oh noes, not a strawman! How could I possibly deal with that?

In a thread so full of fail you might as well have a laugh at it.

[An hero]

I don't even know what's going on

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by An hero

I don't even know what's going on

Person A said something would happen, Person B said it wouldn't happen in the next year.

Said event hasn't happened 1 year later.

Person A claims it did.

Person B laughs and is trying to convince person A that it hasnt.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Really? It hasn't been passed yet? Which means..there is no Treaty of Lisbon in effect right now? This hasn't been my argument for the past year and a half

This entire thread is your fail. You made a callout thread and made a clown of yourself when you're just wrong in relation to our little argument.

You said: The treaty of Lisbon is likely to be passed in Europe.

I said: The Treaty of Lisbon will not be passed in Europe in the next year.

It's currently more then a year past the date of my original post and it doesn't look like the Treaty will be coming into play until around 2010.

Then you make a ridiculous call out thread claiming you're somehow..right? You said it yourself, all of Europe have yet to pass it which means there is no Treaty of Lisbon in effect in Europe at this time.

Had Ireland passed it and Ireland's PM signed it as well as the Czech President signed it you would have a case. But the President of the Czech Republic has yet to do so. So you're wrong.

Clear enough?

In a thread so full of fail you might as well have a laugh at it.

Uh, no. Again, you make a statement that doesn't follow from what I said at all. (Such as how badly you owned yourself with this exchange "I've been grand last month, with no suppressed freedoms."... response "what have you wanted to do in the last month but couldnt do because of our "supressed freedom.")

State my wrong claim. I have admitted this thread was wrong. This was what I was wrong about: Jumping the gun by confusing Ireland passing the Treaty to Europe passing it in response to an ultimatum you set out for yourself. So, although most of your own posts absolutely owned yourself, I absolutely failed in this one regard.

State a claim of that predates this thread that is wrong. Quote it, even better.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Person A said something would happen, Person B said it wouldn't happen in the next year.

Said event hasn't happened 1 year later.

Person A claims it did.

Person B laughs and is trying to convince person A that it hasnt.

Um. No it didn't happen, and I am not claiming it did. I did make that claim by confusing Irelands passage vs Europes passage, and I admitted this mistake several times no. You might have missed this:

Here's my fail: This callout thread in reference to the timeline you set out yourself. My fail, (as I can freely admit to my fails...) started yesterday.

Can you please point out any other fail? After all, you were completely shat on in the last discussion and didn't refute anything I said. (Though you did laugh wildly and make random red herrings)

Are you still really trying to convince me of the mistake I already admitted to?

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Uh, no. Again, you make a statement that doesn't follow from what I said at all. (Such as how badly you owned yourself with this exchange "I've been grand last month, with no suppressed freedoms."... response "what have you wanted to do in the last month but couldnt do because of our "supressed freedom.")

State my wrong claim. I have admitted this thread was wrong. This was what I was wrong about: Jumping the gun by confusing Ireland passing the Treaty to Europe passing it in response to an ultimatum you set out for yourself. So, although most of your own posts absolutely owned yourself, I absolutely failed in this one regard.

State a claim of that predates this thread that is wrong. Quote it, even better.

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

And it is likely to be passed in Europe.

My NEXT POST, see your own OP for proof.

If it is passed next year I will gladly never return to this forum and proclaim I didnt just **** on you in this thread.

It hasn't been passed in Europe, your callout thread is a failure. Are you trying to put it off on me like I was insinuating that it was for just Ireland and not all of Europe? Is this your confusion?

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

State my wrong claim. I have admitted this thread was wrong. This was what I was wrong about: Jumping the gun by confusing Ireland passing the Treaty to Europe passing it in response to an ultimatum you set out for yourself. So, although most of your own posts absolutely owned yourself, I absolutely failed in this one regard.

You not only are a failure for making this call out thread, but you're a failure for not even remembering what you wrote yourself then trying to put the blame off on me.

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Um. No it didn't happen, and I am not claiming it did. I did make that claim by confusing Irelands passage vs Europes passage, and I admitted this mistake several times no. You might have missed this:

So then gracefully apologize for your call out thread and move on with this failure.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

My NEXT POST, see your own OP for proof.

So you likely won't have reason to be leaving the forum. As I've admitted, this callout thread made mistake and jumped the gun. But, see, I've already admitted that. Again and again.

And, the post you quoted of me is correct. You still haven't posted anything I said that was incorrect - aside from this sole mistake in this callout thread.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

It hasn't been passed in Europe, your callout thread is a failure. Are you trying to put it off on me like I was insinuating that it was for just Ireland and not all of Europe? Is this your confusion?

No, the mistake was entirely mine, I freely admit to it.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

but you're a failure for not even remembering what you wrote yourself then trying to put the blame off on me.

This is a false claim. See above. Retract it.

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

So then gracefully apologize for your call out thread and move on with this failure.

I apologise for the callout thread. Seriously. You can put that in your sig. Whatever. But let it be known that I mean it.

But will you apologise for all your mistakes and failures I've pointed out?

Here is another false claim of yours that you've neatly dodged:

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

That is 2 years in a row you have failed

Again, where is the fail, predating yesterday?