SLC newspaper refuses to run ad for memorial service for gay suicide victims.

mntbikedude · 10-01-2009, 10:25 PM

Mormon owned newspaper " The Deseret News" the leading paper in the state of Utah has refused to run an ad notifying people of the upcoming memorial service for gay suicide victims.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13464697

This is a new low by the Mormon church, many of these are victims of the vicious self-loathing that gay mormons have felt regarding the way the church as treated them. As a gay mormon myself, I know first hand the desperate feelings that I have felt directly from what I was taught by the LDS church about homosexuality.

It is unbelievable that such bull**** goes on in this state. As a side note the desert news also does not publish paid notices of same sex marriages. Nor ads for tea or coffee. This is why no religion should ever have such control over media. This goes for any religion.

RiYelir · 10-01-2009, 11:01 PM

As soon as I read the title, I knew it was that piece of sh*t Deseret. When I lived in Utah valley that was pretty much the only newspaper you would see, even at most gas stations etc.. "Happy Valley" indeed.
I'm glad the Tribune is calling them out on this bullsh*t.

AKR · 10-01-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mntbikedude

Mormon owned newspaper " The Deseret News" the leading paper in the state of Utah has refused to run an ad notifying people of the upcoming memorial service for gay suicide victims.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13464697

This is a new low by the Mormon church, many of these are victims of the vicious self-loathing that gay mormons have felt regarding the way the church as treated them. As a gay mormon myself, I know first hand the desperate feelings that I have felt directly from what I was taught by the LDS church about homosexuality.

It is unbelievable that such bull**** goes on in this state. As a side note the desert news also does not publish paid notices of same sex marriages. Nor ads for tea or coffee. This is why no religion should ever have such control over media. This goes for any religion.

Wow, that is a new low. It's pretty despicable when a group refuses to even acknowledge the deaths of people based on their sexuality, especially when their bigotry is probably what drove these people to suicide in the first place.

sayso · 10-01-2009, 11:09 PM

I wish I could be surprised, but they are Mormons....

Let's just be thankful they aren't throwing stones at women for exposing their ankles.

mntbikedude · 10-01-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RiYelir

As soon as I read the title, I knew it was that piece of sh*t Deseret. When I lived in Utah valley that was pretty much the only newspaper you would see, even at most gas stations etc.. "Happy Valley" indeed.
I'm glad the Tribune is calling them out on this bullsh*t.

The internet is putting a big dent in the LDS PR department, the church has an image that they like to show to world and the internet exsposes them over and over again. However this really was a new low.

mntbikedude · 10-01-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AKR

Wow, that is a new low. It's pretty despicable when a group refuses to even acknowledge the deaths of people based on their sexuality, especially when their bigotry is probably what drove these people to suicide in the first place.

It really is amazing, and the truly sad part here in Utah is that when gays commit suicide, usually it never gets out. This memorial in part was to let the public know how large a problem this is. It is astounding to me that the church could continue on with their bull**** policy regarding gays even though it continues to destroy so many peoples lives.

Blindead · 10-01-2009, 11:49 PM

I find it to be horribly disgusting. My question is, are they allowed to do this? IIRC civil rights laws don't really protect sexual orientation very often.

mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blindead

I find it to be horribly disgusting. My question is, are they allowed to do this? IIRC civil rights laws don't really protect sexual orientation very often.

The Newspaper can choose what ads they want to run. This was just the sickening truth of how powerful the Mormon church is in Utah. But it also is sickening to see the power that religion has where ever this is large numbers of a particular religion. It is why the founding fathers created a form of government that not only protected religion but also protects us from religion.

EnergyTurtle · 10-02-2009, 02:19 AM

Let's do the math.

Black people were allowed to join the clergy until 1978. The civil rights act was signed in 1964. So I guess you'll have to wait 14 years after an equivalent law is passed for gays until the Mormon church treats homosexuals as equals.

AKR · 10-02-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by U_Cant_C_Me

Lets do a memorial for ALL people who commit suicide...

Why do h0m0s get special treatment?

Typical idiotic response.

reyalp · 10-02-2009, 08:51 AM

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mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EnergyTurtle

Let's do the math.

Black people were allowed to join the clergy until 1978. The civil rights act was signed in 1964. So I guess you'll have to wait 14 years after an equivalent law is passed for gays until the Mormon church treats homosexuals as equals.

Exactly but that day will come, I don't think I can wait that long.

Minotaur · 10-02-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by U_Cant_C_Me

Why do h0m0s get special treatment?

[sarcasm]Because we're different so we get special treatment.[/sarcasm]

put5onyo · 10-02-2009, 09:30 AM

Why do you all choose to still live in Utah and be Mormon if it is so bad? Honest question not bashing.

Also, as a private entity, this paper is entitled to print/not print anything it wants. Good that people are exposing their practices, but they have the right to print as they choose.

mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by reyalp

ad in question

Thanks for posting that. The reference about bring them in from the plains, is from pioneer days when a group of handcart pioneers was caught in an early winter as they were crossing thru Wyoming. When word got to Utah, the church was holding General Conference in SLC. President Brigham Young stopped the conference and imeadiatly send at rescue part to save these men, women and children.

Many of the rescuers risked their own lifes and 3 died from exposure.

Today our gay brothers and sisters are in a similar life or death situation, feeling alone, afraid and abandoned.

On a recent survival episode, a gay mormon was one of the participants. His extended family only learned he was gay after the program aired.

However they all jointly issued a statement to Raffe and said, Raffe we will circle the wagons around you. (Circle the wagons was done during pioneer times for saftey and protection. At the center would be a campfire providing light and warmth.

What a wonderful mormon term to circle the wagons of love and support around their loved one. Today many mormon familys and congregations have ciricle the waggons of prejudice and have left those of us that are gay on the outside, alone and cold and longing for the warmth that lies inside.

May we all "circle the wagons" around anyone that feels left out in the cold, let us that are on the outside draw our own circles of inclusion for family and friends, that at this time have no idea how cold, tired and afraid we feel.

MBD

AKR · 10-02-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Minotaur

[sarcasm]Because we're different so we get special treatment.[/sarcasm]

You crazy homos and your desire to be equal to everyone else. Just who do you think you are, seeking special treatment by wanting to be treated the same? The nerve.

mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Minotaur

[sarcasm]Because we're different so we get special treatment.[/sarcasm]

Good question. I was born here for one. I am a fithe generation Mormon. I love living in Utah we have some of the most amazing scenery on earth. I love much of the mormon culture. My church has taught me so much that has helped me, be a better man and father.

It is extremely sad to see the church I love, cause so much pain by their stubborness to not accept the facts the being homosexual isn't a moral issue, it just is.

TheGunther · 10-02-2009, 09:37 AM

As much as this is not entirely equal, if the paper is private they have the right to run want, or in this case, what do not want. I think some of you forget that to live in a free society you have to allow people to live as they wish.

The same thing could happen with a Muslim or Christian owned paper not publishing obituaries from atheist or non believers. You may not agree with it, but it is within their right. You, as a free citizen, do have the right to express your concern with them in letter or protest because we have that ability.

mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AKR

You crazy homos and your desire to be equal to everyone else. Just who do you think you are, seeking special treatment by wanting to be treated the same? The nerve.

That is crazy, I thought we should just be working on not being considered an abomination.
A recent talk by an LDS leader, says the gays have been influenced by satans angels to believe that were born that way and can never change.

He said gay mormons have only two choices to get in and try to change or to give up. For the thousands of gay mormons that have been programed to believe every word that their leaders say. Many of these just plain give up.

The church takes no responsibility for the shattered lifes caused by this kind of bull**** retoric.

AKR · 10-02-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGunther

As much as this is not entirely equal, if the paper is private they have the right to run want, or in this case, what do not want. I think some of you forget that to live in a free society you have to allow people to live as they wish.

The same thing could happen with a Muslim or Christian owned paper not publishing obituaries from atheist or non believers. You may not agree with it, but it is within their right. You, as a free citizen, do have the right to express your concern with them in letter or protest because we have that ability.

I don't believe anyone has said that they don't have the right to be douche bags. Doesn't mean we don't have the right to complain about it.

Minotaur · 10-02-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AKR

You crazy homos and your desire to be equal to everyone else. Just who do you think you are, seeking special treatment by wanting to be treated the same? The nerve.

I'm sorry. I got carried away, caught up in the moment.

Thinman · 10-02-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mntbikedude

That is crazy, I thought we should just be working on not being considered an abomination.
A recent talk by an LDS leader, says the gays have been influenced by satans angels to believe that were born that way and can never change.

He said gay mormons have only two choices to get in and try to change or to give up. For the thousands of gay mormons that have been programed to believe every word that their leaders say. Many of these just plain give up.

The church takes no responsibility for the shattered lifes caused by this kind of bull**** retoric.

I wonder how successful the Mormon church has been in converting gays. My guess is, probably not.

TheGunther · 10-02-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AKR

I don't believe anyone has said that they don't have the right to be douche bags. Doesn't mean we don't have the right to complain about it.

And this is America

Home of the free... and douche bags.

adamlm · 10-02-2009, 09:52 AM

Lets not forget that this is an AD not a obituary, an ad is paid advertisement. Any paper can and will deny ad space to any organization at will. While some may find this objectionable, it is not violation of anyone's rights. The real questions lays in whether or not the paper ran an obituary for the gay suicide victims.

AKR · 10-02-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGunther

And this is America

Home of the free... and douche bags.

What's your point? Again, no one is saying they should be forced to put things in their paper. I don't understand why people always come in and say "it's their right" whenever someone does something we don't approve of. As if they're entitled to do things and we're not entitled to complain about it.

mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinman

I wonder how successful the Mormon church has been in converting gays. My guess is, probably not.

If you mean converting gays to hetero they have not been successful at all. If you mean to join the church. I think they have a had a lot join the church, I mean what gay guy can turn away two handsome mormon missionaries.

mntbikedude · 10-02-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGunther

As much as this is not entirely equal, if the paper is private they have the right to run want, or in this case, what do not want. I think some of you forget that to live in a free society you have to allow people to live as they wish.

The same thing could happen with a Muslim or Christian owned paper not publishing obituaries from atheist or non believers. You may not agree with it, but it is within their right. You, as a free citizen, do have the right to express your concern with them in letter or protest because we have that ability.

The paper is private but it is the major paper in Utah. I think it has a responsibility to be fair to anyone regardless of views. There is a major difference in declining an ad to a strip club then an ad for a memorial service.

TheGunther · 10-02-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AKR

What's your point? Again, no one is saying they should be forced to put things in their paper. I don't understand why people always come in and say "it's their right" whenever someone does something we don't approve of. As if they're entitled to do things and we're not entitled to complain about it.

Why are you always so angry?

buster_hymen · 10-02-2009, 10:19 AM

I don't see the problem. Buy another newspaper.

Shreddersteve · 10-02-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mntbikedude

Mormon owned newspaper " The Deseret News" the leading paper in the state of Utah has refused to run an ad notifying people of the upcoming memorial service for gay suicide victims.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13464697

This is a new low by the Mormon church, many of these are victims of the vicious self-loathing that gay mormons have felt regarding the way the church as treated them. As a gay mormon myself, I know first hand the desperate feelings that I have felt directly from what I was taught by the LDS church about homosexuality.

It is unbelievable that such bull**** goes on in this state. As a side note the desert news also does not publish paid notices of same sex marriages. Nor ads for tea or coffee. This is why no religion should ever have such control over media. This goes for any religion.

Being a gay Mormon is like being a black member of the KKK.

No offence intended. I live in Utah and grew up in a Mormon household, needless to say I'm anti religion, but dude you're fighting a loosing battle.