What is this about an uncapped season?

[RavensFan2k3]

What is this about an uncapped season next season in the NFL and a lockout in 2011?

[papi93]

Jerry Jones wants to start Money Ball for the NFL. The small market teams will vanish or become farm teams for the large markets.

[NYY]

There could possibly be a lockout for the 2010 season because of it

[papi93]

If Jones is successful at getting rid of the salary cap, I'd rather the NFL have a lockout. Green Bay is already the second cheapest team in the NFL.

[El Gilbro]

Originally Posted by papi93

If Jones is successful at getting rid of the salary cap, I'd rather the NFL have a lockout. Green Bay is already the second cheapest team in the NFL.

Same here. I'd rather have a lockout and maintain some level of parity going forward than have an uncapped season. The players will never go back to a capped season after crazy contracts are signed in an uncapped year.

[papi93]

Originally Posted by El Gilbro

Same here. I'd rather have a lockout and maintain some level of parity going forward than have an uncapped season. The players will never go back to a capped season after crazy contracts are signed in an uncapped year.

One of the big reasons for the NFL's success is the salary cap. Jones wants the Cowboys to become the NFL's Yankees.

[Nainoa]

Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3

What is this about an uncapped season next season in the NFL and a lockout in 2011?

To give you a little bit of an understanding...


They're talking about the end of the CBA...(Collective Bargaining Agreement.)

Which is the agreed upon system of Free Agency/salaries/Profit sharing that exists between the Players, Players Union, The Owners and the NFL.

The Original CBA expires at the end of this season. (End of Feb I believe.)

While the CBA encompasses a Whole Giant Stew of things... The aspect that's most germain to this thread... Is that the Salary Cap goes away.

Right now all teams are held to the same Salary Cap...

If the salary cap goes away, then the sky is the limit for Teams with more money.

So high off the hog profitable/Rich owner teams like the Cowboys/Redskins/Raiders would have a distinct advantage over teams like Green Bay/Buffalo/Cincinatti...

In that say they were both competing for the same free agent... Rich team offers $100 Million Dollars... Because it's a drop in the bucket for them. The Poor team, that's like half their yearly profits, and simply can't afford it.

So eventually you'd have things happening like Baseball where you have teams like the Yankees buying up all the best players year after year as their contract with lesser economic teams ends.

"Dynasty Teams" would be based on "The money of the team" instead of actual competitiveness.

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The reaction of the ownership is for teams to Lock out the players.

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The CBA also pertains to other things, like Rookie contracts, league health insurance for players, Profit sharing amongst owner is affected, merchandising... As well as injury report status, and it also loosens the league's abilities to test and punish for things like Steroids/crimes/drugs/behavior etc...

[Berts]

Anyone catch Joe Buck like last night? He had Jerry Jones on. If he gets what he wants he will destroy the NFL for me. I personally think every sport should have a salary cap.

I'll have to stick to NCAA sports.

The Vikings will end up in LA ending my dedication to them.

I hope Roger Goodell doesn't let it happen.

[Nainoa]

Originally Posted by Berts

Anyone catch Joe Buck like last night? He had Jerry Jones on. If he gets what he wants he will destroy the NFL for me. I personally think every sport should have a salary cap.

I'll have to stick to NCAA sports.

The Vikings will end up in LA ending my dedication to them.

I hope Roger Goodell doesn't let it happen.

Ultimately Goodell doesn't have much sway... The "Disagreement" is between the Players Union and the Group Ownership.

The completion of Jerry Jones' Mega-Stadium (Cash Cow) and the deadline of the CBA aren't just "Coincidences."


Really it's about the rest of the ownership coming together... And the player's union "Checking their greed."

Really... Do the players need to be making MORE?

I mean I understand the 87 strike... And player salaries in the past being sub-par... I mean you had hall of famers and guys who played in Super Bowls selling their rings and trophies after they retired just so they could afford to have a critical surgery while living in the projects.

But you can't tell me that Albert Haynesworth and Peyton Manning's lives after they retire are just going to be unmanageably expensive for their puny little salaries.

[Messiahtype]

Just to add to what Nainoa said...


There is currently revenue sharing between teams...for ticket sales. This doesn't include the $xx,xxx,xxx Dan Snyder charges to have (insert company)'s logo plastered all over FedEx Field. Dan Snyder can charge more than Zigi Wylf for that because Dan Snyder's team is in a larger market, sells more tickets, and is generally a more visible team(or ad space if you want to call it that). Not to mention merchandising.

So it's not like there is a big socialist pool of money split equally between all teams. Yes, actual gate revenue is shared, but that is nowhere near enough to level the playing field.

Some of the small market teams have very small profit margins because after they pay their salaries, pay for the overhead, they are only coming out 2-3% ahead.

[theACEofSPADES]

I ****ing hate Jerry Jones and everything about the Cowboys

[Nainoa]

Originally Posted by Messiahtype

Just to add to what Nainoa said...


There is currently revenue sharing between teams...for ticket sales. This doesn't include the $xx,xxx,xxx Dan Snyder charges to have (insert company)'s logo plastered all over FedEx Field. Dan Snyder can charge more than Zigi Wylf for that because Dan Snyder's team is in a larger market, sells more tickets, and is generally a more visible team(or ad space if you want to call it that). Not to mention merchandising.

So it's not like there is a big socialist pool of money split equally between all teams. Yes, actual gate revenue is shared, but that is nowhere near enough to level the playing field.

Some of the small market teams have very small profit margins because after they pay their salaries, pay for the overhead, they are only coming out 2-3% ahead.

Yeah in General Buffalo and the NFC west are Welfare Teams when it comes to that shared gate revenue...

So from Jerry Jones' perspective... He's selling out that stadium and basically Giving away the profits from half the seats to the 49ers, Saint Louis, Buffalo, and Detroit.

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Let's not also forget that the Player's Union gets a small percentage of Merchandising. And the players are fighting for a larger portion of that. (Apparently this is supposed to be some kind of major sticking point behind closed doors.)

Every time Brett Favre's Jersey sells, he gets like 34 cents of that $50.

[RavensFan2k3]

wow...this is crazy. how long have these talks been going on? because i know everyonce in awhile i'll here it mentioned, but I would think it would get talked about more seeing how serious it is.

Nainao, ou mentioned the reaction of the ownership is to lock out the players. What exactly does this mean?

[The_Albatross]

falco is a reality

[Greg1983]

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever.

[timmytimm3]

The Cowboys could use Falco right about now...

[jacketfan]

im all for this. i have full confidence in arthur blank spending money necessary to give the falcs a winning team. and it would cut out some of the falcs competition.

[sh_sh]

Originally Posted by theACEofSPADES

I ****ing hate Jerry Jones and everything about the Cowboys

my thoughts exactly. ****ing ass-clown. hope his videoboard gets hit by a punt and crushes him.

[thegenerel]

Originally Posted by jacketfan

im all for this. i have full confidence in arthur blank spending money necessary to give the falcs a winning team. and it would cut out some of the falcs competition.

i dont think you fully understand how this would work. if the NFL allows the CBA to expire, a lot worse things than the uncapped year will occur.

one of which is the NFL Draft will dissolve. highest bidder for the athletes.

[jacketfan]

Originally Posted by thegenerel

i dont think you fully understand how this would work. if the NFL allows the CBA to expire, a lot worse things than the uncapped year will occur.

one of which is the NFL Draft will dissolve. highest bidder for the athletes.

sounds good to me, Arthur Blank is a balla. brb, signing top 5 "draft picks" every year while watching the aints adn the panthers win 2 games a season.

[niospecv]

Originally Posted by theACEofSPADES

I ****ing hate Jerry Jones and everything about the Cowboys

U mad?

Go Cowboys!

[Nainoa]

Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3

wow...this is crazy. how long have these talks been going on? because i know everyonce in awhile i'll here it mentioned, but I would think it would get talked about more seeing how serious it is.

Nainao, ou mentioned the reaction of the ownership is to lock out the players. What exactly does this mean?

In general there are more teams that need the salary cap of the CBA than not.

If the salary cap sky rockets then you get like 4-5 mega power teams, and everything else is a wasteland, profits dwindle because no one wants to go see the Chit-Hawks play the Bungles, or buy their jersey's, bobbleheads etc...

So the "Lock Out" would be the move that "Forces the players union hand" to re-up a CBA that they don't like... Because outside of signing bonuses, which they already have they wouldn't be making their game checks... And it's the Game Checks that would be subject to the greatest abuse of an uncapped system.

At the same time... Players get a cut of merchandising by law... Currently a portion of that is actually under cut by the CBA... And it kind of pisses the ownership and infrastructure off as it is... So if the CBA goes away, then the players could potential pursue an even larger cut.

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This is basically the total Reverse of the 1987 strike.

But have no doubt... At the heart of this is a battle of "Players Greed" versus the Greed of the Richer Owners like Jerry Jones... And it's dragging the Poorer owners along for the ride.

Here's a decent article, written from a "Poor Me" Players Perspective.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09249/995675-66.stm

[papi93]

Originally Posted by M1k3y

U mad?

Go Cowboys!

I hate Jerry Jones too. MLB is a joke and now he trying to turn the NFL into an even worse one.

[Alec Trevelyan]

They need to get this crap finalized.....if not...

...I see the Mara Family buying quite a few top players...lol!

GO NY!!!!

But seriously the differences both sides have can actually be negotiated properly. I think it was on real sports that the guy for the players union was a top notch lawyer....so he should be able to smooth things out a bit.

[KingCanuck]

[ChicagoCubz]

Let's be reality guys, Jerry Jones is bound to have a fatal heart attack before next year anyway.

[NDame616]

Originally Posted by Nainoa

But have no doubt... At the heart of this is a battle of "Players Greed" versus the Greed of the Richer Owners like Jerry Jones... And it's dragging the Poorer owners along for the ride.

Here's a decent article, written from a "Poor Me" Players Perspective.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09249/995675-66.stm

Now if THAT isn't an oxymoron, nothing is.

What's the net worth of one of the "poorer owners" a few hundred million?

I hate when people complain about "small market teams" and their owners are worth billions. Maybe if their owners invested more into their product, advertising, marketing, etc...they would get more fans and do better on the field.

A lot of these owners are crying about a cap, but they have 10 figures sitting around in the bank. Invest in the product, make money, profit, rinse and repeat.

I don't know if I want a cap in the NFL or not, but by NOT having a cap would force owners to be better business owners and force them to invest money into their product if they want to do well.

I hate when baseball fans cry about them having a disadvantage to the Sox or Yankees because we have huge payrolls....but they forget their owners are worth a few BILLION dollars and can literally get any free agent the team wants.

[OvenMitReturns]

Well known poster in disguise here:

I'm a Boys fan through and through, but what Jerry is proposing is complete ****. We don't even have a team in the state I'm in and all likelyhood, if any, would totally be out the ****ing window

That's not the main reason I disagree with it though because that's a total long shot. It's going to change the game forever.... and not in a good way. I hate to say it, but me watching NFL football might come to an end if this **** goes down

[OvenMitReturns]

Originally Posted by NDame616

Now if THAT isn't an oxymoron, nothing is.

What's the net worth of one of the "poorer owners" a few hundred million?

I hate when people complain about "small market teams" and their owners are worth billions. Maybe if their owners invested more into their product, advertising, marketing, etc...they would get more fans and do better on the field.

A lot of these owners are crying about a cap, but they have 10 figures sitting around in the bank. Invest in the product, make money, profit, rinse and repeat.

I don't know if I want a cap in the NFL or not, but by NOT having a cap would force owners to be better business owners and force them to invest money into their product if they want to do well.

I hate when baseball fans cry about them having a disadvantage to the Sox or Yankees because we have huge payrolls....but they forget their owners are worth a few BILLION dollars and can literally get any free agent the team wants.

I don't agree, bro. What happens to the actual sport of football when it's uncapped? The integrity of the game goes out the window. I watch football because I love it, but if you were to make mega teams then it would be horrible. Football is not a sport where a team of lesser players can prevail like baseball is

[bustermac]

If this happens...Redskins vs. Texans in Super Bowl.

Dallas will probably keep Romo, which means still no playoff wins.