Psychologists have noted a correletion between low self-esteem in women & promiscuity

[DoubtErased]

So, UK women are whores in ways that American women are not?

The participants came from a European background, and it was at a Canadian university.

There are BIG differences in the sexual culture when it comes to UK vs USA. If you have never been over to the UK then you have no idea

[The_Reaper]

No.

Generalization can be applied here, with the variable being an exception to the rule.

Men with high self esteem don't neccesarily sleep around. Before I started having issues with depression, i was happy living my life for myself and didn't put in my effort into railing chicks even tho i had amazingly high confidence and i could have railed MANY. But, I am eccentric, so who knows lol.

Sorry to hear about the issues with depression.

You're right. What YardGorillia is ignoring is that it's a correlation.
It would be the very same if psychologists said, "We've found a correlation between guys who feel ugly as sin and their happiness levels".

Sure, there are complex factors at work when it comes to defining someone's happiness, and there may be ugly guys who are very happy, but the correlation is a fact and it's not absurd to suggest a causal link between the two factors.

[Ecnewyx]

Sorry to hear about the issues with depression.

You're right. What YardGorillia is ignoring is that it's a correlation.
It would be the very same if psychologists said, "We've found a correlation between guys who feel ugly as sin and their happiness levels".

Sure, there are complex factors at work when it comes to defining someone's happiness, and there may be ugly guys who are very happy, but the correlation is a fact and it's not absurd to suggest a causal link between the two factors.

Not absurd, but incorrect to conclude a causal link. Anyway, information was interesting if mostly common sense.

I'm still waiting on the list of names for the low-self esteem women used in this study. Profit????

[YARDGORILLA]

It is a broad sweeping generalization that does in one form or another apply to a large number of people. It is not a fact per se. There are too many other complex variables that come into play in one's psycho-sexual development. Promisucity or lack there of, are a highly complex and personally evolved map of a person's pshcyological landscape.

No.

Generalization can be applied here, with the variable being an exception to the rule.

Men with high self esteem don't neccesarily sleep around. Before I started having issues with depression, i was happy living my life for myself and didn't put in my effort into railing chicks even tho i had amazingly high confidence and i could have railed MANY. But, I am eccentric, so who knows lol.

No.

Re-Read my post and loose the baggage of your broken past and bias out of the conversation.
"It is a broad sweeping generalization that does in one form or another apply to a large number of people" is what I said.
Variable being the exception to the rule, ummmmmmmmmmm, if it's a variable, it isn't a rule. It is a determining factor in the creation of a theory or rule.
BTW, did you diagnose your own depression?

[The_Reaper]

There are BIG differences in the sexual culture when it comes to UK vs USA. If you have never been over to the UK then you have no idea

So if this test had been applied to US women, where would that leave you?

(Also, I've found both American and UK girls to be very slutty generally)

[The_Reaper]

Not absurd, but incorrect to conclude a causal link. Anyway, information was interesting if mostly common sense.

I'm still waiting on the list of names for the low-self esteem women used in this study. Profit????

Did I ever suggest to conclude a causal link?
It's a theory, one backed up by good evidence, and one that could be disproved.

[Ecnewyx]

Did I ever suggest to conclude a causal link?
It's a theory, one backed up by good evidence, and one that could be disproved.

Nah, I agree with the theory.

Also the phrase "exception to the rule" makes me lol. Er, or is that "exception that proves the rule"? Whatever.

[The_Reaper]

No.

Re-Read my post and loose the baggage of your broken past and bias out of the conversation.
"It is a broad sweeping generalization that does in one form or another apply to a large number of people" is what I said.
Variable being the exception to the rule, ummmmmmmmmmm, if it's a variable, it isn't a rule. It is a determining factor in the creation of a theory or rule.
BTW, did you diagnose your own depression?

Oh, already with the ad hominems.

Edit: don't twist his word "rule" into something else, to suit your argument.

[Chris2512]

I agree with The_Reaper--seems to be a pretty decent theory and there does seem to be a correlation...and it ties in with my experience of a lot of girls with low self-esteem.

[YARDGORILLA]

Oh, already with the ad hominems.

Edit: don't twist his word "rule" into something else, to suit your argument.

Oh, no problem. I am not here to mince words and play patty cakes if someone who disagrees with me. Although, being that he essentially takes your side, I am not surprised by your WHITE-Knight Defense of him. How SWEET, Cute.

Edit: don't twist the somehow implied symantics of his inability to articulate whatever the hell he was trying to be clever and say. Let a grown asss man who is a stranger defend his own logic or their lack of.

[The_Reaper]

Oh, no problem. I am not here to mince words and play patty cakes if someone who disagrees with me. Although, being that he essentially takes your side, I am not surprised by your WHITE-Knight Defense of him. How SWEET, Cute.

Edit: don't twist the somehow implied symantics of his inability to articulate whatever the hell he was trying to be clever and say. Let a grown asss man who is a stranger defend his own logic or their lack of.

Easy there big guy.

Let's say this is a good rule of thumb: low-self esteem women are more promiscuous than high self-esteem women.

There are "exceptions to this rule", but that doesn't mean the "rule" is bs.

[GoutDeMiel]

What don't you understand?

better genetic specimens? that's relative.

and I wanna know what 7+ dude is gonna sleep with a <4... honestly...

that study is BS in many, many ways.

[P51]

how do I find low self-esteem woemn for sex?

Dating websites like Plenty of fish or whatever. Problem is, that most chicks who have low self esteem have it for a reason, they aren't pretty.

**** makes sense and knew this since I met women with low self esteem. As soon as a guy says "beautiful", a low self esteem girl is all over that, they feed off comments. Hell some even put up with abusive relationships because they feel they can't do better. Truely sad. Best to just stay away from low self esteem girls.

[Realmofo]

I believe this study, every slut bag ive ever dated has been the most self conscious, low self esteem and very insecure females even though they were hot. One even told me she slept around because it made her feel "attractive, and better about myself" even though the guys were total *******s or abusive.

[meanmo]

Wise to be sceptical.

However, in this case it's an empirical correlation. That just means that women who are promiscuous have been found to also have low self esteem. It's just a fact. However, it doesn't mean the low self-esteem causes the promiscuity, because "correlation does not equal causation". But I think the evidence strongly suggests that low self-esteem is the root cause of promiscuity in women.

how do they validate "low self esteem"?

psychology in general is a soft science without real empiricism.. that said, I basically agree with his opinion..

[The_Reaper]

better genetic specimens? that's relative.

and I wanna know what 7+ dude is gonna sleep with a <4... honestly...

that study is BS in many, many ways.

It's not relative actually. An attractive man with game is a better genetic specimen than an unattractive man without game. That's why women's minds are wired to find them more attractive - the badboy provides better genes than the wussy.

Plenty of attractive men lower their standards when hooking up short term. They do not, however, lower their standards when it comes to long term relationships.

You follow?

[The_Reaper]

how do they validate "low self esteem"?

psychology in general is a soft science without real empiricism.. that said, I basically agree with his opinion..

Evolutionary psychological is strongly empirical; this is one of its strengths.

As for your question, I'm not sure what you mean, could you rephrase it?

[catsonfire]

I think women who are promiscious have low self esteem because society calls them whores so they think they are whores. Women who don't arent called whores/sluts. Girls hate being called whores/sluts.

[P51]

how do they validate "low self esteem"?

psychology in general is a soft science without real empiricism.. that said, I basically agree with his opinion..

You can tell who has low self esteem.

-Poor eye contact
-Either very concered about their body or not
-Speaks about themselves in negative manner
-Gets a rush from attention

Seriously you can tell if someone has low self esteem in fives talking to someone. Its how they present themselves.

[P51]

I think women who are promiscious have low self esteem because society calls them whores so they think they are whores. Women who don't arent called whores/sluts. Girls hate being called whores/sluts.

What are you talking about? Most women don't have low self esteem because they sleep around and are called whores, they have it because of other issues e.g. lack of friends, body image, lack of love etc...

Whore/slut are things soceity say about women to keep them in check so they don't go through every man on earth 3x.

[meanmo]

You can tell who has low self esteem.

-Poor eye contact
-Either very concered about their body or not
-Speaks about themselves in negative manner
-Gets a rush from attention

Seriously you can tell if someone has low self esteem in fives talking to someone. Its how they present themselves.

its all subjective data: attractive, ugly, low self esteem, high self esteem.. the characteristics of the person being identified as such are going to affect the data, many people lie.. its just soft science...

I agree with what you say from a common sense perspective but those things really cant be validated to my satisfaction to call it fact, as the OP did...


"gets a rush from attention" ? how do you verify that?.... its just science based on subjective data, its inherently flawed..

[GoutDeMiel]

It's not relative actually. An attractive man with game is a better genetic specimen than an unattractive man without game. That's why women's minds are wired to find them more attractive - the badboy provides better genes than the wussy.

Plenty of attractive men lower their standards when hooking up short term. They do not, however, lower their standards when it comes to long term relationships.

You follow?

Actually, no.

What if that "bad boy" had a history of cancer, heart disease, etc in his family? What if he carried the gene for sickle-cell anemia, cystic fibrosis, leukemia, muscular dystrophy, etc? Not many scientists' idea of a prime genetic specimen.

With all the plastic surgery, exercise information, PUA crap etc anyone can learn to look good and shoot game - even the ugly ones with horrible genes.

I still fail to see how your point still holds water.

[P51]

its all subjective data: attractive, ugly, low self esteem, high self esteem.. the characteristics of the person being identified as such are going to affect the data, many people lie.. its just soft science...

I agree with what you say from a common sense perspective but those things really cant be validated to my satisfaction to call it fact, as the OP did...


"gets a rush from attention" ? how do you verify that?.... its just science based on subjective data, its inherently flawed..

You can't prove low self esteem, I guess. But they also can't yet prove things like depression either. They have ideas that its a chemical imbalacnce, but when someone is diagnosed with depression, they don't test them. They go by the common symptoms, as such they do with someone with low self esteem. By your logic any studies about depression would be void too. Some mental things can't be proven man.

[GoutDeMiel]

You can't prove low self esteem, I guess. But they also can't yet prove things like depression either. They have ideas that its a chemical imbalacnce, but when someone is diagnosed with depression, they don't test them. They go by the common symptoms, as such they do with someone with low self esteem. By your logic any studies about depression would be void too. Some mental things can't be proven man.

True.

But that was his point!

[meanmo]

Evolutionary psychological is strongly empirical; this is one of its strengths.

As for your question, I'm not sure what you mean, could you rephrase it?

nothing is strongly empirical that requires test subjects to subjectively describe their "feelings"... feelings and specific emotions can be defined, but only softly.. you even get into a language issue with participants having to put specific language on their subjective "feelings".

[P51]

True.

But that was his point!

Right, so if he were to say this study is invalid, all mental health studies are invalid.

[The_Reaper]

I think women who are promiscious have low self esteem because society calls them whores so they think they are whores. Women who don't arent called whores/sluts. Girls hate being called whores/sluts.

I think you've got that backwards, no offence.

[meanmo]

You can't prove low self esteem, I guess. But they also can't yet prove things like depression either. They have ideas that its a chemical imbalacnce, but when someone is diagnosed with depression, they don't test them. They go by the common symptoms, as such they do with someone with low self esteem. By your logic any studies about depression would be void too. Some mental things can't be proven man.

they are void as fact... they are the best we can do though and im not bashing psychology, people just need understand the difference between hard sciences like chemistry/biology vs human sciences. Were still far from understanding how the mind works and how modern consciousness evolved... I need to run to work, interesting convo though... take care guys

[The_Reaper]

Actually, no.

What if that "bad boy" had a history of cancer, heart disease, etc in his family? What if he carried the gene for sickle-cell anemia, cystic fibrosis, leukemia, muscular dystrophy, etc? Not many scientists' idea of a prime genetic specimen.

With all the plastic surgery, exercise information, PUA crap etc anyone can learn to look good and shoot game - even the ugly ones with horrible genes.

I still fail to see how your point still holds water.

Then his value drops rapidly. He is no longer seen as attractive.

Are you still confused?

[GoutDeMiel]

Right, so if he were to say this study is invalid, all mental health studies are invalid.

He was disagreeing more with the study's methods and measurements rather than their final conclusion.

All studies should be pulled apart and critiqued like this. No one wants a society of sheep that are going to accept whatever "expert" publishes.