something 99% of people here need to watch

[LOLBRB]

youtube.com/watch?v=TUk2zSvTlMo&feature=related

can't post links...sorry


it seems like there are people here who weigh 140lbs that are concerned about bicep peaks being uneven or how much to bend your elbows when doing side laterals, toes in or out when doing leg extensions, etc. etc. etc.

[unclejeff]

youtube.com/watch?v=TUk2zSvTlMo&feature=related

can't post links...sorry


it seems like there are people here who weigh 140lbs that are concerned about bicep peaks being uneven or how much to bend your elbows when doing side laterals, toes in or out when doing leg extensions, etc. etc. etc.

i like that vid.

[matt297]

I dont agree with this. Basically he says forget the internet and just go lift. Yeah its a nice attitude and all that.......that's if you know what your doing!

yeah he says you will learn and teach yourself, but after how long? There's already monkeys in the gym that have been there for years lifting with wrong technique, getting injured, not gaining, progressing, havent got a f*cking clue how to string a decent program together, so on and so on.

just look at the forums here. there's like 1000 questions a day that will change how that person lifts and trains from that moment. not a year down the line when you realise you've been doing 2" squats.

I know there's a lot of sh*te on the webz but f*ck that person for not researching things enough. If your dumb enough to pick the first bit of crappy advice you come across then its your own fault.

alls im saying is that there is good information and structure on the net that MOST people NEED. There's a limit of course. Get what you need then get in the f*cking gym and JUST LIFT.

/rant

[Defiant1]

youtube.com/watch?v=TUk2zSvTlMo&feature=related

can't post links...sorry


it seems like there are people here who weigh 140lbs that are concerned about bicep peaks being uneven or how much to bend your elbows when doing side laterals, toes in or out when doing leg extensions, etc. etc. etc.

hmmm....

amazing how ones perspective can change the way one hears things...

not sure how you got your second statement from that video...


I've said countless times that if you take a person who JUST trains by instinct, and a person who JUST trains by what they read, the person who trains by instinct will do much better...

[DuracellBunny]

I dont agree with this. Basically he says forget the internet and just go lift. Yeah its a nice attitude and all that.......that's if you know what your doing!

yeah he says you will learn and teach yourself, but after how long? There's already monkeys in the gym that have been there for years lifting with wrong technique, getting injured, not gaining, progressing, havent got a f*cking clue how to string a decent program together, so on and so on.

just look at the forums here. there's like 1000 questions a day that will change how that person lifts and trains from that moment. not a year down the line when you realise you've been doing 2" squats.

Strong way to miss the message of what he is saying. He is saying that he had to figure things out, think about things to correct them etc. If somebody has been training for years with no results, then they haven't sat down and analysed what they are doing and thought of ways to change it.

The internet can provode loads of info, but it won't tell you exactly how it relates to you and the best way to use that info. The only way that you are going to find that out is by trial and error.

Person 1 - does something a certain way, gets no results and keeps on doing them.

Person 2 - does something a certain way that the internet said to do it, gets no results and keeps on doing them that way because teh interwebz told him to.

Persons 1 and 2 are both morons, but it is easier for person 2 to continue being a moron due to the fact that he is convinced he is doing it right because the net told him that that was the right way.

Many people like to try and become pseudo-scientists with all the info that they read and then regurgitate parrot fashion with no understanding. If you want to be a scientist, the lab is that way, it's called the gym, go and experiment.

[Beachman]

Strong way to miss the message of what he is saying. He is saying that he had to figure things out, think about things to correct them etc. If somebody has been training for years with no results, then they haven't sat down and analysed what they are doing and thought of ways to change it.

The internet can provode loads of info, but it won't tell you exactly how it relates to you and the best way to use that info. The only way that you are going to find that out is by trial and error.

Person 1 - does something a certain way, gets no results and keeps on doing them.

Person 2 - does something a certain way that the internet said to do it, gets no results and keeps on doing them that way because teh interwebz told him to.

Persons 1 and 2 are both morons, but it is easier for person 2 to continue being a moron due to the fact that he is convinced he is doing it right because the net told him that that was the right way.

Many people like to try and become pseudo-scientists with all the info that they read and then regurgitate parrot fashion with no understanding. If you want to be a scientist, the lab is that way, it's called the gym, go and experiment.

^^^This.

[Karaim]

youtube.com/watch?v=TUk2zSvTlMo&feature=related

can't post links...sorry


it seems like there are people here who weigh 140lbs that are concerned about bicep peaks being uneven or how much to bend your elbows when doing side laterals, toes in or out when doing leg extensions, etc. etc. etc.

What's wrong with the internet? It tells you some good stuff: Squats + Deadlifts = Big Arms. Good s**t.

[Karaim]

Strong way to miss the message of what he is saying. He is saying that he had to figure things out, think about things to correct them etc. If somebody has been training for years with no results, then they haven't sat down and analysed what they are doing and thought of ways to change it.

The internet can provode loads of info, but it won't tell you exactly how it relates to you and the best way to use that info. The only way that you are going to find that out is by trial and error.

Person 1 - does something a certain way, gets no results and keeps on doing them.

Person 2 - does something a certain way that the internet said to do it, gets no results and keeps on doing them that way because teh interwebz told him to.

Persons 1 and 2 are both morons, but it is easier for person 2 to continue being a moron due to the fact that he is convinced he is doing it right because the net told him that that was the right way.

Many people like to try and become pseudo-scientists with all the info that they read and then regurgitate parrot fashion with no understanding. If you want to be a scientist, the lab is that way, it's called the gym, go and experiment.

I agree with this to an extent. When a person is a retard, he will be a retard with or without the internet. But you can find some useful information if you care to do some real research.

[Coach_Roach]

So if we aren't supposed to listen to stuff on the internet. Should we not listen to what he said because he is on the internet? Just curious.

[Caracalla]

But the fact that someone wants to take time to do some research shows tat they wantto progress,the trick in the whole thing is a combination of what you research and your own thought and experimentation.

[RaveBDK]

youtube.com/watch?v=TUk2zSvTlMo&feature=related

can't post links...sorry


it seems like there are people here who weigh 140lbs that are concerned about bicep peaks being uneven or how much to bend your elbows when doing side laterals, toes in or out when doing leg extensions, etc. etc. etc.

nice vid..repped.

[chazzy1864]

What's wrong with the internet? It tells you some good stuff: Squats + Deadlifts = Big Arms. Good s**t.

/thread

So if we aren't supposed to listen to stuff on the internet. Should we not listen to what he said because he is on the internet? Just curious.

^ Ironic indeed.

[Euro87]

meh... the guy is just pissed off cause he didnt have internet when he started so he basically wasted a lot of years not having the right info or info at all...

[W8isGR8]

What's wrong with the internet? It tells you some good stuff: Squats + Deadlifts = Big Arms. Good s**t.

new sig

[Lencho]

meh... the guy is just pissed off cause he didnt have internet when he started so he basically wasted a lot of years not having the right info or info at all...

If you've ever read any of his stuff, you'd know that he's thankful he didn't have the internets when he started.


And now he's making a decent living because of the interenets. Oh, the irony.

[matt297]

Strong way to miss the message of what he is saying. He is saying that he had to figure things out, think about things to correct them etc. If somebody has been training for years with no results, then they haven't sat down and analysed what they are doing and thought of ways to change it.

The internet can provode loads of info, but it won't tell you exactly how it relates to you and the best way to use that info. The only way that you are going to find that out is by trial and error.

Person 1 - does something a certain way, gets no results and keeps on doing them.

Person 2 - does something a certain way that the internet said to do it, gets no results and keeps on doing them that way because teh interwebz told him to.

Persons 1 and 2 are both morons, but it is easier for person 2 to continue being a moron due to the fact that he is convinced he is doing it right because the net told him that that was the right way.

Many people like to try and become pseudo-scientists with all the info that they read and then regurgitate parrot fashion with no understanding. If you want to be a scientist, the lab is that way, it's called the gym, go and experiment.

I understood what he was saying. basically that too many people are trying to do their lifting on the internet. The other point is that a person would learn from what works and what doesnt by spending more time lifting in the gym.

but this just isnt the case. yeah a few people will learn that way but most wont.

people would go on, lift, either learn and progress or most would fail because they cant grasp it or learn from it. become de-motivated and give up.

the internet can get you started, answer your queries, teach you basic technique, keep you motivated, so on and so on. its just a tool and should be used as such. after a while people do start to understand that everyone is different and need to find what works for them. its at that point the internet becomes less of an influence

oh and your person number 2 is a moron. he is no different than person 1. but im guessin most would be person 3 - the guy who does what teh interwebz tells him, get no results. finds bb.com, comes to the forums, asks a question that most people think is retarded, gets pointed in the right direction by a kind soul. gets a new plan, learns some sh*t, sees results.

[SquatTilYouDrop]

If you've ever read any of his stuff, you'd know that he's thankful he didn't have the internets when he started.


And now he's making a decent living because of the interenets. Oh, the irony.

Honor dies where interest lies. The epitome of hypocrisy.

[DuracellBunny]

If somebody is a certain kind of person, they will discover things or go and find them out one way or another. On the other hand, no matter how much info is available to certain people, they are never going to get it.

Case in point - if the internet is such an awesome aid to training, why are there so many people on BB.com who haven't got a clue what they are doing and who ask the same questions every few months because they were too stupid to listen or take action the last time they asked. These people look like &$& and can't lift &$&$ with all this information around them. It's not about availability of info, it's about the attitude of the individual and their ability to apply information to the real world to achieve their goals.

meh... the guy is just pissed off cause he didnt have internet when he started so he basically wasted a lot of years not having the right info or info at all...

Many of us didn't use the internet for training years ago, instead we went and found proper coaches, sat down with nutritionists, physios etc, tried things, reviewed them, changed them and retried. Newsflash - people trained very successfully before teh interwebz.

[TheAntar]

Many of us didn't use the internet for training years ago, instead we went and found proper coaches, sat down with nutritionists, physios etc, tried things, reviewed them, changed them and retried. Newsflash - people trained very successfully before teh interwebz.

Yeah, and as you said, they paid people for information that is now free.

There's lots of people out there whose primary job of disseminating information has been obviated by the internet. Fortunately for them, too many people still can't type their question into google to put them out of work.

[matt297]

If somebody is a certain kind of person, they will discover things or go and find them out one way or another. On the other hand, no matter how much info is available to certain people, they are never going to get it.

True. So whether they got it off the net or by learning it in the gym without the web makes no difference. Therefore hos arguement is pretty much invalid.

Case in point - if the internet is such an awesome aid to training, why are there so many people on BB.com who haven't got a clue what they are doing and who ask the same questions every few months because they were too stupid to listen or take action the last time they asked.

Because they're idiots. They're the people who, without the internet, would listen to any old dufus at the gym or in the street and would make the same mistakes anyway.

Your right that its about the attitude of the individual. This is the case with internet or no internet. So that guy in the vid shouldn't discount the very medium he is using because there are idots out there who arent willing to learn and adapt. Its an aid to training thats it. It wont lift for you (not yet anyway).

[SouthernLord]

Good vid.

Lots of clusterfcuking on here in the forums. Less time posting and more time squatting.

[zildjian_4]

that guy is so cool!! wow he learnt everything all by himself!!!:O
what a moron..
the internet is so useful, ive learnt everything here combo'd with my experience in the gym. nothing wrong with that.. i bet i know more now than he did when he was 21. id rather not waste 19 years being oblivious to whether or not im hurting myself in the long run and just learn everything now and train safely and efficiently as life goes on...

[LOLBRB]

the point is... rep ranges, rest periods, 11 sets vs 12 sets... really doesnt ****ing matter. especially as a newb to intermediate lifter. bust ass in the gym and give it 110% and youll see gains whether you're doing 3 rep sets or 12.

[LOLBRB]

that guy is so cool!! wow he learnt everything all by himself!!!:O
what a moron..
the internet is so useful, ive learnt everything here combo'd with my experience in the gym. nothing wrong with that.. i bet i know more now than he did when he was 21. id rather not waste 19 years being oblivious to whether or not im hurting myself in the long run and just learn everything now and train safely and efficiently as life goes on...

i guarantee you Wendler is bigger and stronger than you ever will be.

[zildjian_4]

i guarantee you Wendler is bigger and stronger than you ever will be.

thats alright bud.

just sayin he doesnt need to go and gloat his "self attained" knowledge on the internet.
let people learn about it through the internet. dont be such a little b**** about it.

[chazzy1864]

If somebody is a certain kind of person, they will discover things or go and find them out one way or another. On the other hand, no matter how much info is available to certain people, they are never going to get it.

Case in point - if the internet is such an awesome aid to training, why are there so many people on BB.com who haven't got a clue what they are doing and who ask the same questions every few months because they were too stupid to listen or take action the last time they asked. These people look like &$& and can't lift &$&$ with all this information around them. It's not about availability of info, it's about the attitude of the individual and their ability to apply information to the real world to achieve their goals.

^ This is it here. It isn't the internet that is the problem. It isn't lack of internet. It is the end user. I started training, by slowly acquiring more knowledge through magazines (started out men's fitness and men's health, Lawlz, then planet muscle, then musclemag), talking with other people. Chatting anybody up, bigger, smaller, older, younger in the gym. If I saw them doing something interesting, I'd wait for them to hit their rest period, and ask them about it. Find out what the move did for them, why they did it instead of another. Ask others to check my form, if they had pointers, etc.

I made lots of mistakes, learned a lot about lifting and myself.

Ended up hopping on here, and as I've been on here, continued to learn more. Talking with others on here, reading what gets posted. Reading articles. Asking more experienced people their opinions, etc.

I tried to be a sponge for it all. Some people just don't care enough too. One of my best friends in VA, is that way. He will all the time ask me if what he is doing is good, or what he is eating is good. Should he do things differently. I used to try to critique him, and give him pointers. But he'd always do things the same way. Now I just say "Yeah, that's fine man. It isn't bad." and leave it at that.

[DuracellBunny]

True. So whether they got it off the net or by learning it in the gym without the web makes no difference. Therefore hos arguement is pretty much invalid.

If they have to make some effort to gain the info, they might take notice of it, or maybe even sit down and think about things. The ones in the grey area aren't being done any favours by the net.