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    This is fuccking bull**** (boxing training)

    Every boxing class here's how it goes: we spar, I get put up against a guy my size with 6 months experience on me, I get my ass handed to me to the point where I'm bleeding from both nostrils, they stop it, say I'm getting better even though I definitely don't feel like I am, then I do bag work for 30 minutes. Im seriously getting so tired of getting my ass whooped even by guys who only have a little experience on me I don't think I landed 5 good punches today. The way my gym's schedule goes Monday Wednesday and Friday at 11:00 A.M. Manuel Arce trains the guys in technical boxing and I guess that's where you get 'good' and Tuesdays and Thursday nights are boxing sparring with Lance Foreman, the problem is I cant fking make ANY of Manuel's classes so I just go to sparring and get the **** beat out of me

    If I didn't have a personal policy of being respectful to my coaches at all times I would've just said fucck this **** and walked out tonight. It's wasting my time, my patience, and my brain cells, and not only do I feel like Im not getting better, I felt WORSE today because now since I know there's no way I can even compare I'm scared to open up and let my hands go and since I know Im going to get hit every time I'm scared of getting hit more than I used to be

    What the hell can I do ?


    edit: Oh yea the coach only allows me to throw 1s and 2s whereas the other guys can use their whole arsenal. I seriously feel like they're just throwing me in there for the more experienced guys to practice on me.

    edit: idk if I mentioned it but I cant make any of the "technique" classes
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    How did your fight go?
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    Originally Posted by HardGainer82 View Post
    How did your fight go?
    Didn't happen. Normally the promo is on Saturday and for some reason this year it was on Friday and my coaches didnt know that until Thursday, and I had my great grandma's funeral on Friday + class
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    dude.....get some technique and stop showing up to just the sparring classes.
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    Wow, well first off respect for continuing to go even after some rough sparring matches.

    You might want to talk to your coach about it if you think you can and explain to him how you feel and what's going on. I'm sure you are getting better, it's just going to take time. I had a similar problem where I wasn't getting enough individual training experience. So I felt like I was just training myself and not getting better. My best advice is just try and stick with it bro and try your best to improve.
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    Originally Posted by dethmetalanimal View Post
    dude.....get some technique and stop showing up to just the sparring classes.
    I can't make it to any other classes
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    Here is the thing. Getting your ass kicked is part of the process of being good. This is the main reason why people quit.

    You can't just come in and all of a sudden beat someone that has more experience than you. There is a reason why they are that good, because of experience.

    Boxing is tough to learn, simply because it requires you to physically get hurt just to get better. You have to live through it, I have injured basically everything you can injure at least once in my time training, I have bled countless of times, been floored, and at times just wanted to jump out of the ring and quit because i got my ass handed to me, BUT it made me better.

    Boxing can only be learned a little at a time. You will slowly become better. Eventually you will stop flinching, eventually you will move on instinct, eventually you will see counters, eventually you will stop thinking, but until then, you will get your ass kicked.






    edit: 6 months of experience ahead is a lot, imagine when i started, the kid started when he was 13 years old, 5 years experience over me, it hurt lol


    edit 2: also imagine only able to counter with jabs while the other person has his whole arsenal. You have to understand they do that for a reason. It teaches you to block and use your arsenal correctly
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    Lets say you train a year or two then someone new come ... and he kick your ASS how would you feel then ?

    It's normal that guys with more experience beat you. What I consider as progress is that they kick your ass less every time and eventually you become better then them ( if you are talented :P ).

    Ofc if you bleed from every training then make sure you get enough time to rest ... the best/fastest way to make progress is with 100% injure free body.
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    move your goddamn head.

    no, but seriously, what ive seen of most boxing and muay thai type full contact striking arts, is that they leave the subtelties up to you. they wont show you or even tell you how to move your head until you start showing an inclination to do so yourself....footwork gets developed after youve shown you can emulate those around you....


    every technique you see boxers use is not taught in the same way bjj is. bjj for example, can be broken down into a sequence of moves, the same cannot be said of boxing. try faking your jabs, try stepping in and then out straight away, try different positions over your feet, experiment, its the only way youll develop.
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    Maybe it's just a difference in the cultures at our two gyms, but at my gym the people who are better/stronger boxers help to teach the people who aren't as good. Yeah, they'll hit you and push you hard, but you aren't getting your ass handed to you. I'm constantly having sparring partners giving me tips in the middle of sparring, and I do the same for people who are newer than me.

    I realize this is probably a really girly solution to your issue, but maybe you could talk to some of the guys who are beating you? Ask them for some help in there? I've found that acknowledging someone is better than you and asking for help will kind of take the edge off since they feel like they don't have to prove anything now.

    Like I said, it's a really girly "let's all hold hands and sing" solution, but I swear I learn more from one sparring session than I do from weeks and weeks of one-on-one coaching.
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    Looks like your coaches are using the PUT HIM THROUGH THE GAUNTLET ROUTINE where sooner or later your forced to become better. Been through it doesn't work unless you practice your self at home or a weaker sparring partner.

    If you can't practice on your own then it will be a long road to progress.
    most of these boxing coaches are looking for boxers who are going to go places, they are not really interested in the new people.
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    rofl this is how it is at the boxing ym i went to....i srsly cant wait to go back this summer...but i learned so much
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    Originally Posted by Rifter View Post
    Looks like your coaches are using the PUT HIM THROUGH THE GAUNTLET ROUTINE where sooner or later your forced to become better. Been through it doesn't work unless you practice your self at home or a weaker sparring partner.

    If you can't practice on your own then it will be a long road to progress.
    most of these boxing coaches are looking for boxers who are going to go places, they are not really interested in the new people.

    how can you say it doesn't work if coaches who boxed longer before you have has done it and worked fine. You may not think you are getting better because your fighting someone 1000x your skill level, but guess what, slowly but surely you are improving.

    Ever wonder why eventually there are weaker sparring partners that you can essentially beat up on? Maybe because you learned so much and realized the person you are sparring isn't as big and bad as the people you faced before, and you essentially tool the person. That experience allowed you to do that.


    And no, most boxing coaches want new people to join, its money for them, its new talent they haven't found. What they do want are people that are going to commit, its extremely hard to find people that are willing to go through the loop of getting bashed in the head and give essentially no damage back, so they basically just wait till they see you staying before you become one of their prized competitors
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    IMO let your coaches know how you feel. It sounds to me like you need to work on your footwork, timing, and head movement the most, so tell you coach that you suck at all of those things and need serious help. He will respect your modesty and prob do something for you, especially if you are paying for the class
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    Originally Posted by Marc936 View Post
    how can you say it doesn't work if coaches who boxed longer before you have has done it and worked fine. You may not think you are getting better because your fighting someone 1000x your skill level, but guess what, slowly but surely you are improving.

    Ever wonder why eventually there are weaker sparring partners that you can essentially beat up on? Maybe because you learned so much and realized the person you are sparring isn't as big and bad as the people you faced before, and you essentially tool the person. That experience allowed you to do that.


    And no, most boxing coaches want new people to join, its money for them, its new talent they haven't found. What they do want are people that are going to commit, its extremely hard to find people that are willing to go through the loop of getting bashed in the head and give essentially no damage back, so they basically just wait till they see you staying before you become one of their prized competitors
    A great boxer doesn't make a great coach.
    According to the OP he is not happy with his improvemnets and the method of getting better. This doesn't mean the coach sucks or is not good but maybe he requires a different method of coaching. Some fighters need to be yelled at and some don't to get the same effect.

    Even pro fighters change their coaches because it's not what the fighter wants.
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    Originally Posted by Rifter View Post
    A great boxer doesn't make a great coach.
    According to the OP he is not happy with his improvemnets and the method of getting better. This doesn't mean the coach sucks or is not good but maybe he requires a different method of coaching. Some fighters need to be yelled at and some don't to get the same effect.

    Even pro fighters change their coaches because it's not what the fighter wants.
    hes mad that hes getting his ass whooped in sparring....what do you expect is going to happen? no one dominates right off the bat, if that was the case, there would be no reason for a boxer to start out as young as 6 to be leveled as an elite



    edit: people gotta realize, boxing is not for the weak at heart. You are going to get beat up, there is no way around it. You can't improve without getting into the line of fire. Its not like BJJ where you tap out once submissions occur and start all over again. In boxing, your going to get hurt, your going to have to take punches, your going to have to accept that your going to get hit. i'm not saying leave if you can't handle it, but there will always be someone more experienced than you that will give you the biggest beating of your life.

    when people say your getting better, it pretty much means you are as you are losing some tendencies that are getting you killed. Doesn't mean it erases all of your bad ones, but you gradually lose more and more
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    Ehh

    Damn my nose hurts today haha..

    I guess what I'm sort of frustrated about is you see on training videos and stuff people doing mittwork / speed bag etc.

    We (emphasis on this) NEVER do anything like that in class. Just spar.

    Im gonna stick with it because its nothin a few tylenol can't cure, ( at least at this point ) but I really don't feel as if Im getting better

    so sick of just throwing 1 2s
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    Ehh

    Damn my nose hurts today haha..

    I guess what I'm sort of frustrated about is you see on training videos and stuff people doing mittwork / speed bag etc.

    We (emphasis on this) NEVER do anything like that in class. Just spar.

    Im gonna stick with it because its nothin a few tylenol can't cure, ( at least at this point ) but I really don't feel as if Im getting better

    so sick of just throwing 1 2s
    I would think that they would do the mittwork / speedbag stuff during the technique classes you can't make. Which still doesn't do you any good since you can't make it to them.
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    Ehh

    Damn my nose hurts today haha..

    I guess what I'm sort of frustrated about is you see on training videos and stuff people doing mittwork / speed bag etc.

    We (emphasis on this) NEVER do anything like that in class. Just spar.

    Im gonna stick with it because its nothin a few tylenol can't cure, ( at least at this point ) but I really don't feel as if Im getting better

    so sick of just throwing 1 2s
    why are you doing boxing? are you fighting in Pride of the UFC?

    Just asking why the F you are getting beat up for, for no reason
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    Ehh

    Damn my nose hurts today haha..

    I guess what I'm sort of frustrated about is you see on training videos and stuff people doing mittwork / speed bag etc.

    We (emphasis on this) NEVER do anything like that in class. Just spar.

    Im gonna stick with it because its nothin a few tylenol can't cure, ( at least at this point ) but I really don't feel as if Im getting better

    so sick of just throwing 1 2s




    imagine someone using their entire arsenal, able to fight you on the inside, and your only defense is jabbing and blocking and footwork. It sucks, i know, but you get better at it

    maybe they are telling you only to use 1-2's because your other punches are sloppy and they want you to get 1-2's down correctly. Maybe its because your throwing your 1-2's so telegraphed that they are trying to get you out of that loop. There is a lot of reasons why they are telling you to only use 2 punches, and for the most part if they are telling you only to use 2 punches, that means you haven't mastered that yet.


    i suggest videotaping your next session, you dont have to post it up, but just watch yourself, you can see if your doing ****ty or not, and if you are, you can see why your coaches are doing it the way they have been
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    I can't make it to any other classes
    Thats really not there fault i mean all your basically doing I learning to be a tough ****ty fighter. IF anything you can tell your guys to go lighter so you can actually do something.
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    Originally Posted by Marc936 View Post
    imagine someone using their entire arsenal, able to fight you on the inside, and your only defense is jabbing and blocking and footwork. It sucks, i know, but you get better at it

    maybe they are telling you only to use 1-2's because your other punches are sloppy and they want you to get 1-2's down correctly. Maybe its because your throwing your 1-2's so telegraphed that they are trying to get you out of that loop. There is a lot of reasons why they are telling you to only use 2 punches, and for the most part if they are telling you only to use 2 punches, that means you haven't mastered that yet.


    i suggest videotaping your next session, you dont have to post it up, but just watch yourself, you can see if your doing ****ty or not, and if you are, you can see why your coaches are doing it the way they have been
    It's like that for all beginners they only allow 1 2s to be thrown
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    Originally Posted by Big Arm Big Pay View Post
    Thats really not there fault i mean all your basically doing I learning to be a tough ****ty fighter. IF anything you can tell your guys to go lighter so you can actually do something.
    I know what you mean, and IMO they should offer at least a technique class a week at night. Not to mention the technique class is at a time when most people are working, so it isn't like im the only one
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    It's like that for all beginners they only allow 1 2s to be thrown
    in otherwords you haven't mastered it yet



    how long have you been in there sparring if you dont mind me asking
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    Originally Posted by PearlSoap View Post
    why are you doing boxing? are you fighting in Pride of the UFC?

    Just asking why the F you are getting beat up for, for no reason
    I do MMA



    @ Marc936, I've been sparring maybe 2 months now?
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    I know what you mean, and IMO they should offer at least a technique class a week at night. Not to mention the technique class is at a time when most people are working, so it isn't like im the only one
    Find another gym
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    Originally Posted by Big Arm Big Pay View Post
    Find another gym
    You know it isn't that easy. Besides I like everything else other than the boxing. im just going to have to wait until next semester and base my school schedule around practice / work
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    Originally Posted by MayhemMaker View Post
    I do MMA



    @ Marc936, I've been sparring maybe 2 months now?
    well that explains it lol, dude, you only have been sparring for 2 months. its been 2 and a half years and i still get my ass kicked at times, mainly because some started since they hit puberty.

    Give it time, you will become better, boxing is not something you become good at overnight, no sport is like that
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