I just got done watching the whole thing - and learned quite a lot. This is not some bullsh!t guy trying to make a buck by saying sugar is bad, etc, but it shows you how fructose is actually metabolized in the liver, which is very similar to ethanol. It shows the risks of having a high fructose diet, and I would like to see what you have to say about it.
Hopefully not a repost - I searched and searched but could not find this video posted.
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This guy is manipulating data/cherry picking Several studies involving fructose give huge amounts of it and the conclusions are barely even applicable to the general public, especially people who get the bulk of thier fructose from produce. Several studies are also done on rats......Rats metabolize carbs differently than humans.
Scientific study is incomplete, at best, on humans and fructose. Lustig maintains that every single molecule of fructose is bad, and that's just not the case.
my knowledge and understanding is very limited on anything to do with nutrition if im honest, however it is my understanding, albeit probably wrong, that if i consume large amounts of sucrose/fructose, that i will be causing harm to my liver and it may also result in storing more fat in my body??
im going to try find a table or database or something which lists amounts of sucrose/fructose in foods/drinks etc to add to this thread (might not be able to though)
also could a more knowledgable person chime in on this to maybe help me/others understand some of the main points from this
also could a more knowledgable person chime in on this to maybe help me/others understand some of the main points from this
Basically, mass overconsumption of fructose by primarily inactive people is a big problem. That's what i took from it and really the only point worth taking.
Points that were made that are rubbish:
Fructose consumption has increase dramatically, coinciding with the obesity epidemic
This is fine but the wording makes it seem like the cause, which it isn't.
-A calorie is not a calorie
The doctor is misrepresenting the First Law of Thermodynamics and he knows it. He oversiplifies to prove his own points
-Fructose metabolism leads to all the manifestations of the metabolic syndrome.
Maybe in huge huge amounts but not is the context that many of us eat.
-Fructose is stored as fat
Only is liver glycogen is maxed out, so many of these point are debatable at best, and falso at worst.
Basically, mass overconsumption of fructose by primarily inactive people is a big problem. That's what i took from it and really the only point worth taking.
what sort of quantity would you say would be mass overconsumption, cos i drink anywhere from 1-2litres of orange/cranberry juice a day, which is like 100-200g of sugar, which i assume is sucrose etc?
what sort of quantity would you say would be mass overconsumption, cos i drink anywhere from 1-2litres of orange/cranberry juice a day, which is like 100-200g of sugar, which i assume is sucrose etc?
Well, fructose is stored as liver glycogen to the amount of (depending on what you read). 50-120 grams per day 60-80g seems to be what I've seen the most. But this is in resting subjects. Liver glycogen will be depleted during exercise.
200g of fructose seems high, but sucrose is fructose and glucose so the actual amount you are taking in...I don't know. In a state of a calorie deficit none of this will matter anyhow but at other times I wouldn't over consume fructose.
I always fear when people see things like this they will take it as "fruit is bad" But if that's how you are getting your fructose I've never seen or had an issue. This info is more for fat people who do nothing.
Well, fructose is stored as liver glycogen to the amount of (depending on what you read). 50-120 grams per day 60-80g seems to be what I've seen the most. But this is in resting subjects. Liver glycogen will be depleted during exercise.
200g of fructose seems high, but sucrose is fructose and glucose so the actual amount you are taking in...I don't know. In a state of a calorie deficit none of this will matter anyhow but at other times I would over consume fructose.
I always fear when people see things like this they will take it as "fruit is bad" But if that's how you are getting your fructose I've never seen or had an issue. This info is more for fat people who do nothing.
thanks for taking the time to help me understand (repped)
would it be a better lifestyle choice in terms of general health etc to continue consuming fructose/sucrose from things like fruit, but maybe try to eliminate or reduce intake from things like soda??
thanks for taking the time to help me understand (repped)
would it be a better lifestyle choice in terms of general health etc to continue consuming fructose/sucrose from things like fruit, but maybe try to eliminate or reduce intake from things like soda??
I think that's kind of the point the doctor in the clip is trying to make (but I feel he is comming off wrong) I see no need to tell someone who can put moderation into practice to eliminate soda completely, but subbing some of that out with a fruit will do nothing to make you less healthy.
Overconsumption and inactivity is an issure so if everyone just keep you consumption in check and keeps active, there are fewer problems to deal with.
Fructose corn syrup and other high processed sugars = ****
Natural sugars = good
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It's all fructose and glucose. Overconsumption of things= **** You can't single one thing out say it's **** and then say something of nearly the same make up is good.
It's all fructose and glucose. Overconsumption of things= **** You can't single one thing out say it's **** and then say something of nearly the same make up is good.
I can't ?
Wanna compare physiques and duel it out?
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Your phisique has nothing to do with the fact that you avoid HFCS. Nice bro response though. HFCS iz da devillll! It would be ridiculous to have an intelligent conversation or debate in this place, let's just flash our gunz! GTFO with that ****.
Your phisique has nothing to do with the fact that you avoid HFCS. Nice bro response though. HFCS iz da devillll! It would be ridiculous to have an intelligent conversation or debate in this place, let's just flash our gunz! GTFO with that ****.
That's what I thought, when push comes to shove people like you, have no shove.
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That's what I thought, when push comes to shove people like you, have no shove.
Or not everyone trains to have your phisique. One of those. Your phisique doesn't impress me because I don't train for your same goals, just as you don't train for mine. Try learning something so you can actually have an intelligent conversation rather than having a pissing contest asking to see my phisique. You have no argument so you deflect. Just quit spitting your useless babble like its fact, because it's not.
Or not everyone trains to have your phisique. One of those. Your phisique doesn't impress me because I don't train for your same goals, just as you don't train for mine. Try learning something so you can actually have an intelligent conversation rather than having a pissing contest asking to see my phisique. You have no argument so you deflect. Just quit spitting your useless babble like its fact, because it's not.
Obviously if I have built a descent physique, then don't you think I have been around the block with diets, sugars, carbs, proteins and all in-between.
It's just the bitter skinny fat kids that just don't get it, and they don't wanna accept it either.
It's called denial.
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Obviously if I have built a descent physique, then don't you think I have been around the block with diets, sugars, carbs, proteins and all in-between.
It's just the bitter skinny fat kids that just don't get it, and they don't wanna accept it either.
It's called denial.
Sadly your experience doesn't negate the first law of thermodynamics, or the fact that what you are preaching as fact is incorrect. You have built a good phisique and I commend you for meeting your personal goals. It doesn't mean that when you say something that makes it correct. You are in denial and everything in your head is black and white. "A calorie is not a calorie" "HFCS bad Sugar good". It's not that simple. I'm done arguing with you because it's pointless.
your physique is completely unrelated to this? the guy in the video isnt jacked so does that mean he's wrong....im not going to argue whether you're right about this subject or not, im just curious as to why you bring up the fact that you're much bigger than other people in order to prove that your argument is correct
This guy is manipulating data/cherry picking Several studies involving fructose give huge amounts of it and the conclusions are barely even applicable to the general public, especially people who get the bulk of thier fructose from produce. Several studies are also done on rats......Rats metabolize carbs differently than humans.
Scientific study is incomplete, at best, on humans and fructose. Lustig maintains that every single molecule of fructose is bad, and that's just not the case.
Good video though I did enjoy watching it.
I dunno, certainly not the BB.com general public, but with as much sugar from candy and soft drinks people consume these days, I wouldn't be surprised if it was very applicable to the general public.
I also enjoyed the video quite a bit myself, found it very interesting.
bros I'm bulking now and to be honest I eat clean but I can essentially eat whatever I want... I stay away from sugar though. I find once I start adding a bunch of sugar and **** into my equation. I haven't gained a lot of fat like this, it's been good... I satisfy my "sweet cravings" (which I honestly don't get a lot of) with my protein shakes and fruit. I know people say "fruit has sugar in it" but it's very low GI (most fruits).
It is correct about the fructose but only in extremely high amounts. The problem with explaining the problem being from just fructose, is that people will take from this that they should avoid fruit which is complete and utter bull****.
Fructose is going to effect you if you taken in an excessive amount ex. 175-200g a day. The fructose contribution of fruit is about 7g on average per serving, so you would need 25 servings of fruit, how many people can do that.
Fruit juice and drinks with HFCS are another story, they contain excessive amounts of Fructose and just a couple servings a day you are already exceeding 200g. Even Alan Aragon states:
"while i am not against small amounts of fructose from whole fruit for maintaining/replenishing liver glycogen, fruit juice on the other hand tends to cross the line of excess in terms of fructose, and you miss out on much of the beneficial phytochemicals & oxygen radical suppressors in whole fruit."
So fructose in ecessive amounts will negatively affect you, just like anything in excessive amounts will negatively affect you.
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It's all fructose and glucose. Overconsumption of things= **** You can't single one thing out say it's **** and then say something of nearly the same make up is good.
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