"Bodybuilding" is 80% diet and 20% proper training

[Baldiewonkanobi]

As I look around this Masters site I see the worst diet choices no matter if it is newbies, old timers, wanna bees, journalists, even some competitors, and some of the men in the testosterone booster product evaluation group.

Bodybuilding is a life style. A crazy introspective self centered compulsive lifestyle. A little sub culture not so very popular with the masses. You are not so popular at the Saturday football party where you drink 'maybe' one only beer and nibble on that chicken breast in your pocket while your bros chug brewskis, slobber down nachos spilling on their bellies and fart like race horses. From age 12 to 22 I was a Bodybuilder. Again from age 40 to age 58. And again now since T Giving 2008. Not that I didn't continue lifting weights when not in my Bodybuilding phase...I did. Yes I ate more protein that the average dude, took some creatine here and there. Got my daily vit/min. Still I WAS NOT A BODYBUILDER. (I had 40 pounds of crap fat hanging from my bones). I am now....believe you me. Bodybuilders do not smoke, have more than a social beer or glass of wine, eat fried food, white bread, pasta things, sugar, or sport a belly or wiggly ass. You do any of that you are temporarily 'off line' kicking back, a power lifter (with much respect to you men), fooling yourself or just a pretender.
I respect all who train with weights. Bodybuilding is something different. Just because you joined a gym...you are not a Bodybuilder....yet. Bodybuilders do carb load one meal here and there....once a week or every other week. Called a Leptin load. Google it.

As I said a few years back...'You are not a Bodybuilder until someone else calls you a Bodybuilder'.


Baldie.....shaking up the troops.

[paulb72]

Hearing every word you sayin. Tryin my best to be a bodybuilder.

One day I WILL BE ONE.

And not just me sayin so.
Till then,just got's to keep workin at it

[supy]

Well put brother baldie

[gun-G]

Once again Baldie prods me to take a cold hard look at what my true goals are and how I am meeting them.. in my head, at the table and at the gym. Way to kickstart a weekend. MULLY

[EBA84]

Very true. I would go as far to say that precontest, diet can be up to 90% of your success/failure and 10% training. Nutrition becomes even more important as we get older. Can't get away with eating as much crap and we could in our 20s.

[kimsquit]

imo, the standard is the standard. If you don't meet it, it isn't because the people who do meet it are being "elitist"

lots of folks tend to insist that the definition be lowered to meet their commitment level, rather than pushing themselves to meet the definition

[freebirdmac]

I've been listening. Diet is easy for me as I'm limited in what I can eat anyway. Only thing I wish I could add is whey. Your posts and help from others have gotten me looking into and eventually taking CEE and beta-alanine. BCAAs and glutamine are up next. Keep giving us your anecdotal thoughts. They're much appreciated. Nothing would piss me off more than to realize that busting my ass in the gym was under cut by what I ate or did not eat.

[TreeHouser]

Bodybuilder? I strive to be healthy, and stay in the best shape possible. I don't dwell too long on semantics.

[Mortum]

I've never been called a bodybuilder...a meathead...so i guess I don't qualify/

[BJC22]

Originally Posted by Baldiewonkanobi

As I look around this Masters site I see the worst diet choices no matter if it is newbies, old timers, wanna bees, journalists, even some competitors, and some of the men in the testosterone booster product evaluation group.

Surely you're generalizing. Not all of our diets are crap.

[Fiend_73]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

imo, the standard is the standard. If you don't meet it, it isn't because the people who do meet it are being "elitist"

lots of folks tend to insist that the definition be lowered to meet their commitment level, rather than pushing themselves to meet the definition

This

[jdtemple]

I definitely "act" like a bodybuilder. The lifestyle is there. It's just going to be a long time before I "look" like a bodybuilder. I love the journey so far!

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

imo, the standard is the standard. If you don't meet it, it isn't because the people who do meet it are being "elitist"

lots of folks tend to insist that the definition be lowered to meet their commitment level, rather than pushing themselves to meet the definition

Leave it to the Squitster to cut it to the quick. Dot the I and cross the T.

Not everyone has eluded to their diets in here but a majority who have eat like teenagers or the average bubba you see in the mall with added protein. On the other hand I must admit that the final month or so of a competetive Bodybuilder's diet would drive a Nutritionist's head into a bucket and his/her hand ready to dial 911.

Everyone in here that 'pumps' iron with a passion is my Brother in Iron. If you look and live like a Bodybuilder then you are also my Brother (love the Sisters too) Bodybuilder.

Baldie

[Tifflex]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

imo, the standard is the standard. If you don't meet it, it isn't because the people who do meet it are being "elitist"

lots of folks tend to insist that the definition be lowered to meet their commitment level, rather than pushing themselves to meet the definition

QFT!

You've summed it up.

[2nd_chance]

80/20. So true Baldie. If anything would ever make me want to quit it certainly wouldn't be the time I spend in the gym. That's like a kid at recess for me..... woo hoooo! It would be the religious effort I put into counting every calorie I put into my mouth, the waking up at 3am to drink a protein shake, the 4-5 chicken breasts I eat a day, the water that I guzzle all day long instead of soda......... etc. Yet I perservere because I want to squeeze every ounce of genetic potential out of this body and know that I've done all that I can do when I look in the mirror!

Well said Baldie!

[jdtemple]

Originally Posted by 2nd_chance

80/20. So true Baldie. If anything would ever make me want to quit it certainly wouldn't be the time I spend in the gym. That's like a kid at recess for me..... woo hoooo! It would be the religious effort I put into counting every calorie I put into my mouth, the waking up at 3am to drink a protein shake, the 4-5 chicken breasts I eat a day, the water that I guzzle all day long instead of soda......... etc. Yet I perservere because I want to squeeze every ounce of genetic potential out of this body and know that I've done all that I can do when I look in the mirror!

Well said Baldie!

I feel the same way. If I'm going to be sub-par, it's certainly not going to be because I didn't try hard enough. I want to be certain I've done everything possible to make it happen.

[BackwoodsGa]

Originally Posted by Baldiewonkanobi

As I look around this Masters site I see the worst diet choices no matter if it is newbies, old timers, wanna bees, journalists, even some competitors, and some of the men in the testosterone booster product evaluation group.

Bodybuilding is a life style. A crazy introspective self centered compulsive lifestyle. A little sub culture not so very popular with the masses. You are not so popular at the Saturday football party where you drink 'maybe' one only beer and nibble on that chicken breast in your pocket while your bros chug brewskis, slobber down nachos spilling on their bellies and fart like race horses. From age 12 to 22 I was a Bodybuilder. Again from age 40 to age 58. And again now since T Giving 2008. Not that I didn't continue lifting weights when not in my Bodybuilding phase...I did. Yes I ate more protein that the average dude, took some creatine here and there. Got my daily vit/min. Still I WAS NOT A BODYBUILDER. (I had 40 pounds of crap fat hanging from my bones). I am now....believe you me. Bodybuilders do not smoke, have more than a social beer or glass of wine, eat fried food, white bread, pasta things, sugar, or sport a belly or wiggly ass. You do any of that you are temporarily 'off line' kicking back, a power lifter (with much respect to you men), fooling yourself or just a pretender.
I respect all who train with weights. Bodybuilding is something different. Just because you joined a gym...you are not a Bodybuilder....yet. Bodybuilders do carb load one meal here and there....once a week or every other week. Called a Leptin load. Google it.

As I said a few years back...'You are not a Bodybuilder until someone else calls you a Bodybuilder'.


Baldie.....shaking up the troops.

Very good info bro!well said.

[gbg]

Just curious.
I understand that bodybuilding is your first love but....
80 % is a pretty large percentage, to take that number and put it into something else like sport specific training for example or anything for that matter would result in greater results athletically speaking.
Are you not curious to see what else you can accomplish by enforcing this?

[JonnyStead]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

imo, the standard is the standard. If you don't meet it, it isn't because the people who do meet it are being "elitist"

lots of folks tend to insist that the definition be lowered to meet their commitment level, rather than pushing themselves to meet the definition

I think baldies point is well made as is the one above -

I'm not a BB - never have been, I enjoy training with weights and I get some results from it - but my lifestyle is such that I just cant eat as clean as I would need to all the time to be a BB

No-one has ever called me a BB, a few have asked if I was on Steroids - but that ABSOLUTELY is not the same thing!

Worth the thread Baldie - thanks for showing the way to us 'kids' also - I have a long long way to go

[Baldiewonkanobi]

OK gbg...I was waiting for this point to be made.

I got the 80/20 number from Bill and Harry Pearl 29 years ago. I asked Harry the same question. Harry said if we made the arbitrary ratio 51/49, 60/40, etc. then the vast majority of iron trainers would try to TRAIN HARDER to flip the ratios rather than adopt the rigorous Bodybuilding lifestyle and the diet it entailed. "80/20 makes the point", said Harry.


Baldie

[Baldiewonkanobi]

One more thing gbg....YES. I am flirting with setting the American raw Over 70 198 and under Powering record for the 3 lifts in 2011. I will take up skiing again at 80 when I can ski for free at Mammoth Mountain, Ca. Oh...and I want to return to the race track as soon as I can score some major HP. I sold my 600HP Mustang track car (clocked 160 in turn 1 at the Ontario Speedway) and 800HP Chevy Silver State classic winner (206MPH average). Trust me you need to be in mental and physical shape to do that.

Pic of Chevy day we brought her home from Texas.


Baldie

[gbg]

Originally Posted by Baldiewonkanobi

One more thing gbg....YES. I am flirting with setting the American raw Over 70 198 and under Powering record for the 3 lifts in 2011. I will take up skiing again at 80 when I can ski for free at Mammoth Mountain, Ca. Oh...and I want to return to the race track as soon as I can score some major HP. I sold my 600HP Mustang track car (clocked 160 in turn 1 at the Ontario Speedway) and 800HP Chevy Silver State classic winner (206MPH average). Trust me you need to be in mental and physical shape to do that.

Pic of Chevy day we brought her home from Texas.


Baldie

That's what I was looking for The American raw is a great goal!

Had no idea you raced cars very cool.

[kimm4]

Originally Posted by EBA84

Very true. I would go as far to say that precontest, diet can be up to 90% of your success/failure and 10% training. Nutrition becomes even more important as we get older. Can't get away with eating as much crap and we could in our 20s.

Totally agreed with the 90% diet 10% training.^^

[bustasinclair]

I assume I'm ONE of the one's you're referring to since you always call me bagel-boy, lol.

Feel free to call me out Baldie, I can handle it! **evil laughter**

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Originally Posted by Baldiewonkanobi

I got the 80/20 number from Bill and Harry Pearl 29 years ago. I asked Harry the same question. Harry said if we made the arbitrary ratio 51/49, 60/40, etc. then the vast majority of iron trainers would try to TRAIN HARDER to flip the ratios rather than adopt the rigorous Bodybuilding lifestyle and the diet it entailed. "80/20 makes the point", said Harry.


Baldie

I planned on not calling anyone out in here Mr. Buster. I know you have a plan...2 bagels X 1 5K = bagels all gone. If that works for you now, knock (run) your socks off. When you get a few months out from your first show I will sick the dogs on you if you dare run...anywhere.

Baldie

[induced_drag]

Originally Posted by Baldiewonkanobi

As I look around .... I see the worst diet choices no ..... even some competitors, and some of the men in the testosterone booster product evaluation group.

.....

I am probably one of the guys you are talking about.

The only issue that I have......is the definition "bodybuilder".

While I agree in the purest definition, this term is very vague and could even be taken to the extreme of saying.......if you are unwilling to do the things that the top pros are, then you are truly not a body builder. (although I would NEVER want to even resemble a current pro)

But really.....who really cares about 'labels'? I personally feel I could never be defined by one term......except there are probably a few that could think of one with a bunch of **** in it

This brings me to my next point........I think each persons goals are different. Take myself for example. I have no interest in ever competing. I would classify me as a seeker of good muscle mass, while maintaining good bf composition (<10%) along with the fun and enjoyment that comes from lifting heavy things.

This brings me to the diet part. I think a lot of people go overboard with 'clean' eating. Fact is......for the most part, calories are calories. (not discounting GI and it's impact on blood sugar). We dont all have to nibble on chicken breast and rice cakes all day.

Now personally as a lifestyle I avoid as many processed foods as possible, I only drink water, I like lots of whole grains and meats.....etc.... But I have no problem, once in a while indulging in things I really enjoy.....like mexican food....or a great lunch yesterday with a buddy at an all-you-can eat chicken wing buffet! Hot wings are not hot unless you are sweating!

So I choose to enjoy other parts of life outside the gym.....and for me, one of the big ones is eating things I enjoy. But like anything.....moderation is a must. This is nothing I am embarassed about and I do not feel I am doing anything wrong in the process.

Now when I see a guy with paper thin skin who has dieted for months to see every striation in his body, I have much respect......but I have NO desire what so ever to do that, or look like that. I am happy being a little "chubby" (about 12%bf right now), and since I have only recently found my way back to the gym, I am more worried about strength and mass....and will worry about the abs come next spring.

Just another point of view.....that is what make the world go round.

Again....much respect to all the guys that are 'true' bodybuilders.

[Most Muscular]

I have to agree 100% with what Baldie said. So many people put the right amount of effort in the gym but not in the kitchen where in reality, that is where their body will be "re-built".

A race car can only go so far or so fast unless it has the proper amount of fuel in it. I don't care how big the engine is if it's not filled up with the right fuel it will spit and sputter and eventually not go anywhere, fast or slow!

I don't care if you do super sets, HIT training, Dog Crap, Max-OT, etc. you will NOT see your potential results if you don't properly feed your body, especially protein at EVERY meal.

To do it right, you do what you have to do... even if that means eating when you don't feel like eating.

nuff said...

[bigcoupe]

Originally Posted by kimsquit

imo, the standard is the standard. If you don't meet it, it isn't because the people who do meet it are being "elitist"

lots of folks tend to insist that the definition be lowered to meet their commitment level, rather than pushing themselves to meet the definition

Well said.

I can't wait for the day. I need to put my time in though.

[...Kennedy]

Originally Posted by induced_drag

I am probably one of the guys you are talking about.

The only issue that I have......is the definition "bodybuilder".

While I agree in the purest definition, this term is very vague and could even be taken to the extreme of saying.......if you are unwilling to do the things that the top pros are, then you are truly not a body builder. (although I would NEVER want to even resemble a current pro)

But really.....who really cares about 'labels'? I personally feel I could never be defined by one term......except there are probably a few that could think of one with a bunch of **** in it

This brings me to my next point........I think each persons goals are different. Take myself for example. I have no interest in ever competing. I would classify me as a seeker of good muscle mass, while maintaining good bf composition (<10%) along with the fun and enjoyment that comes from lifting heavy things.

This brings me to the diet part. I think a lot of people go overboard with 'clean' eating. Fact is......for the most part, calories are calories. (not discounting GI and it's impact on blood sugar). We dont all have to nibble on chicken breast and rice cakes all day.

Now personally as a lifestyle I avoid as many processed foods as possible, I only drink water, I like lots of whole grains and meats.....etc.... But I have no problem, once in a while indulging in things I really enjoy.....like mexican food....or a great lunch yesterday with a buddy at an all-you-can eat chicken wing buffet! Hot wings are not hot unless you are sweating!

So I choose to enjoy other parts of life outside the gym.....and for me, one of the big ones is eating things I enjoy. But like anything.....moderation is a must. This is nothing I am embarassed about and I do not feel I am doing anything wrong in the process.

Now when I see a guy with paper thin skin who has dieted for months to see every striation in his body, I have much respect......but I have NO desire what so ever to do that, or look like that. I am happy being a little "chubby" (about 12%bf right now), and since I have only recently found my way back to the gym, I am more worried about strength and mass....and will worry about the abs come next spring.

Just another point of view.....that is what make the world go round.

Again....much respect to all the guys that are 'true' bodybuilders.

Good post.

[JuicyAnimal]

Originally Posted by induced_drag

I am probably one of the guys you are talking about.

The only issue that I have......is the definition "bodybuilder".

While I agree in the purest definition, this term is very vague and could even be taken to the extreme of saying.......if you are unwilling to do the things that the top pros are, then you are truly not a body builder. (although I would NEVER want to even resemble a current pro)

But really.....who really cares about 'labels'? I personally feel I could never be defined by one term......except there are probably a few that could think of one with a bunch of **** in it

This brings me to my next point........I think each persons goals are different. Take myself for example. I have no interest in ever competing. I would classify me as a seeker of good muscle mass, while maintaining good bf composition (<10%) along with the fun and enjoyment that comes from lifting heavy things.

This brings me to the diet part. I think a lot of people go overboard with 'clean' eating. Fact is......for the most part, calories are calories. (not discounting GI and it's impact on blood sugar). We dont all have to nibble on chicken breast and rice cakes all day.

Now personally as a lifestyle I avoid as many processed foods as possible, I only drink water, I like lots of whole grains and meats.....etc.... But I have no problem, once in a while indulging in things I really enjoy.....like mexican food....or a great lunch yesterday with a buddy at an all-you-can eat chicken wing buffet! Hot wings are not hot unless you are sweating!

So I choose to enjoy other parts of life outside the gym.....and for me, one of the big ones is eating things I enjoy. But like anything.....moderation is a must. This is nothing I am embarassed about and I do not feel I am doing anything wrong in the process.

Now when I see a guy with paper thin skin who has dieted for months to see every striation in his body, I have much respect......but I have NO desire what so ever to do that, or look like that. I am happy being a little "chubby" (about 12%bf right now), and since I have only recently found my way back to the gym, I am more worried about strength and mass....and will worry about the abs come next spring.

Just another point of view.....that is what make the world go round.

Again....much respect to all the guys that are 'true' bodybuilders.

In my opinian you are a bodybuilder. Reps

And now that I have called you a bodybuilder that is what you are, according to the OP.

Good post