EC stack vs Clenbuterol

[soheil25]

im finishing off my cut with the EC stack and everything went great. is it okay if i use clen during my next cut? or it has harsher side effects than EC?

[Mr.Cooper69]

At any age, I wouldn't use clen. That you're 18 is even more alarming

[davesah1]

I used clen last summer and honestly all I noticed was sweating a lot, shaking, and a hell of a lot more alertness. Oh and great pumps in the gym. Sides were definitely bearable. My buddy got headaches from it tho. Being an endomorph and after going on Keto for 16 weeks and gradually reducing calories and still not being at 7% BF I used it. Went from 2,300 and to 1,800 cals a a day. Stopped seeing loss so I dropped to 1,600 and nothing. The clen will work dude I notices visible results in 2 days! sick Just make sure diet it set and start losing with your diet before you get help from clen. You might not need it bro.

[Mr.Cooper69]

I used clen last summer and honestly all I noticed was sweating a lot, shaking, and a hell of a lot more alertness. Oh and great pumps in the gym. Sides were definitely bearable. My buddy got headaches from it tho. Being an endomorph and after going on Keto for 16 weeks and gradually reducing calories and still not being at 7% BF I used it. Went from 2,300 and to 1,800 cals a a day. Stopped seeing loss so I dropped to 1,600 and nothing. The clen will work dude I notices visible results in 2 days! sick Just make sure diet it set and start losing with your diet before you get help from clen. You might not need it bro.

Lol and how old were you, 17?

[davesah1]

but at your height and weight why are you trying to cut ? Beef up dude. You really should need clen you look pretty lean. A good diet should do the trick if your trying to get more chiseled for the biddies.

[davesah1]

Lol and how old were you, 17?

Yeah about to turn 18 and I read up on it and seemed not so bad, all the studies were done on rats....having a butt load more beta recepetors (therefore more potent effects via clen is a beta agonist) and given doses comparable to their weight that on human would NEVER take and they had some effects on the heart like hardening and enlargement. So I called BS and used it. I mean its a legal asthma med in some European countries.

[davesah1]

People smoke 3 packs of cigs a day with horrible nutrition and drink lots of coffee (like my boss who is now 55) and despite the poor health are still alive. If your a HEALTHY indivudual that eats good and heart healthy things it really wont mess you up. Its two weeks of your heart resting at 80 BPM instead of 60...at least for me.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Yeah about to turn 18 and I read up on it and seemed not so bad, all the studies were done on rats....having a butt load more beta recepetors (therefore more potent effects via clen is a beta agonist) and given doses comparable to their weight that on human would NEVER take and they had some effects on the heart like hardening and enlargement. So I called BS and used it. I mean its a legal asthma med in some European countries.

As long as you understand the risks. Cardiac remodeling wouldn't be just dose-dependent, it would be time-dependent too.

People smoke 3 packs of cigs a day with horrible nutrition and drink lots of coffee (like my boss who is now 55) and despite the poor health are still alive. If your a HEALTHY indivudual that eats good and heart healthy things it really wont mess you up. Its two weeks of your heart resting at 80 BPM instead of 60...at least for me.

I'm sold!

[davesah1]

As long as you understand the risks. Cardiac remodeling wouldn't be just dose-dependent, it would be time-dependent too.



I'm sold!

haha Thanks. I just like to put things into perspective. IMO scientists and researchers are all to quick to demonize things (especially when they are testing for negative sides already). But its always important to do your homework on anything you put into body and everyone is different. I'm out

[thefleshlight]

At any age, I wouldn't use clen. That you're 18 is even more alarming

Potato brah is potato. Age doesn't matter too much of its use unless you're talking about a 13yo vs a 23yo using it.

But personally, I think clen sucks. Random sweats and trembles for absolutely no fat loss whereas ECA with 1mg nicotine gum is awesome. I recommend the cinnamon gum though; citrus something tastes like SHYYTTTTTT

[Mr.Cooper69]

Potato brah is potato. Age doesn't matter too much of its use unless you're talking about a 13yo vs a 23yo using it.

But personally, I think clen sucks. Random sweats and trembles for absolutely no fat loss whereas ECA with 1mg nicotine gum is awesome. I recommend the cinnamon gum though; citrus something tastes like SHYYTTTTTT

FYCK YOU B1tchhh!!!!!!!

[soheil25]

il stick to EC stack then lol

[thefleshlight]

il stick to EC stack then lol

Studies show 1mg nicotine can increase EC's efficacy by 100%.

[CodyHill4]

christ...how about sticking to a solid nutrition plan instead of relying on eca or freakin clen.

be patient, do some research or hire a well known coach

[thefleshlight]

or hire a well known coach

In before you offer him a deal of a lifetime...

[jabmaster2]

People smoke 3 packs of cigs a day with horrible nutrition and drink lots of coffee (like my boss who is now 55) and despite the poor health are still alive. If your a HEALTHY indivudual that eats good and heart healthy things it really wont mess you up. Its two weeks of your heart resting at 80 BPM instead of 60...at least for me.

You forgot the #YOLO at the end brah

[Quadzilla99]

Studies show 1mg nicotine can increase EC's efficacy by 100%.

Lol been doing this for while. Ecay + 1 mg (1/4 of a 4 mg nicotine lozenge) twice during the first half or so of my IF fast. Fat is melting off at an alarming rate. I don't take the nicotine or y with my last dose as I think they would inhibit my workouts afaik (yohimbine making mg heart beat too fast, nicotine reducing blood flow (?))

[joen270]

clen works but its too strong. there is a reason its not legal

[thefleshlight]

Lol been doing this for while. Ecay + 1 mg (1/4 of a 4 mg nicotine lozenge) twice during the first half or so of my IF fast. Fat is melting off at an alarming rate. I don't take the nicotine or y with my last dose as I think they would inhibit my workouts afaik (yohimbine making mg heart beat too fast, nicotine reducing blood flow (?))

Y sucks balls; can develop breathing issues.

there is a reason its not legal

There's a reason why you're wrong.