Primordial Performance 1-t/Dermacrine/epistane?

[imawake]

Primordial Performance 1-t/Dermacrine/epistane?


I've done a cycle of Spawn and AN The One. (gained 20lbs from spawn)

I have a little puffy nip from Spawn because I pct'd it with Reversitol.

Recently lost alot of weight and am trying to put it on.

I'm thinking of 1-t with Epistane or Dermacrine with epistane. I plan on doing a proper pct with nolva/clomid.

Which would be the safer option?

would 15-20lbs be viable?

what would be a good dose of epistane?

[Adjusting]

Safer would be Dermacrine and Epistane....because it's weak(er) than 1-T and Epi. 1-T with Epi would be your strongest stack. 15-20lbs *might* be viable but you can't expect it to be all muscle. Some of it will be glycogen and water retention. If we're being realistic, you could expect 10 pounds of muscle in a month if your diet and training are really, really on point.

For Epi, I would use 20/20/30/30 and then stay on 30 for a maximum of 6 weeks. 6 weeks being your total cycle I mean.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

Safer would be Dermacrine and Epistane....because it's weak(er) than 1-T and Epi. 1-T with Epi would be your strongest stack. 15-20lbs *might* be viable but you can't expect it to be all muscle. Some of it will be glycogen and water retention. If we're being realistic, you could expect 10 pounds of muscle in a month if your diet and training are really, really on point.

For Epi, I would use 20/20/30/30 and then stay on 30 for a maximum of 6 weeks. 6 weeks being your total cycle I mean.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

thanks. i think after research i decided on 1-t and epistane for 6 weeks. should i still dose epi that way? i was gonna do the test recovery stack you guys had would that be enough for pct or would nolvadex be necessary? i plan on having nolva any way so how would i dose that with the pct?

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by imawake

thanks. i think after research i decided on 1-t and epistane for 6 weeks. should i still dose epi that way? i was gonna do the test recovery stack you guys had would that be enough for pct or would nolvadex be necessary? i plan on having nolva any way so how would i dose that with the pct?

Yeah, use Epi at 20/20/30/30/30/30 - you could even keep it at 20mg the whole cycle if you want.

The test recovery stack would be sufficient. Just make sure your cycle doesn't exceed 6 weeks. Nolva might be necessary if you dosed the Epi high or your cycle exceeded 6 weeks.

If you decide to incorporate nolva into your plan, I recommend the following:

nolva: 30/30/20/20
Use Toco-8 at the start of PCT
Start EndoAmp Max and Sustain Alpha once you're done with the nolva.

It's up to you if you use nolva. You probably wouldn't need it, however it couldn't hurt. It's very important you keep essential fats and protein high in PCT.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

Yeah, use Epi at 20/20/30/30/30/30 - you could even keep it at 20mg the whole cycle if you want.

The test recovery stack would be sufficient. Just make sure your cycle doesn't exceed 6 weeks. Nolva might be necessary if you dosed the Epi high or your cycle exceeded 6 weeks.

If you decide to incorporate nolva into your plan, I recommend the following:

nolva: 30/30/20/20
Use Toco-8 at the start of PCT
Start EndoAmp Max and Sustain Alpha once you're done with the nolva.

It's up to you if you use nolva. You probably wouldn't need it, however it couldn't hurt. It's very important you keep essential fats and protein high in PCT.

so its

1-t- six weeks
Epi at 20/20/30/30/30/30
nolva: 30/30/20/20
then
Toco-8- -/-/-/-/-/-
EndoAmp- 0/0/0/0/-/-
Sustain- 0/0/0/0/-/-


only reason i wanted to run nolva was becuase of my puffy nip. what do you think? how will this effect mpb? is there anything i can get to prevent that? what support supps should i take? also i have a bucket of anadraulic state can i add that to pct?

b6
tyrosine
fishoil
multi

[_Smitty_]

Originally Posted by imawake

so its

1-t- six weeks
Epi at 20/20/30/30/30/30
nolva: 30/30/20/20
then
Toco-8- -/-/-/-/-/-
EndoAmp- 0/0/0/0/-/-
Sustain- 0/0/0/0/-/-


only reason i wanted to run nolva was becuase of my puffy nip. what do you think? how will this effect mpb? is there anything i can get to prevent that? what support supps should i take? also i have a bucket of anadraulic state can i add that to pct?

b6
tyrosine
fishoil
multi

cycle looks great! nolva could go at 20/20/10/10 or 40/20/10/10, if you're the cautious type.

it's a coin toss as to whether or not you'd like to use nolva. while our TRS has been shown to work with multiple compound cycles (one member recently attested to having used it for phera/s-drol/tren trio and recovered fine), it's still subjective...

if you feel more secure using nolva, do it.

okay, support supplements... considering that epi is methylated, you'll want liver fortification and perhaps something to combat hypertension. taurine will aid in the latter; NAC will aid in the former. i very often recommend BCS labs cycle stack, which is (as far as i'm concerned) the most comprehensive all-in-one cycle support formula available right now.

for the MPB, epi is already 5-alpha reduced, so shedding should be kept to a minimum. because it's a genetic condition, you can't stop it, but vitamins a, b, c, and e should help. in that, a quality multi, with correct forms of these vitamins would be in your best interest. to boost that vitamin e level, you could use toco-8 on cycle as well as in your PCT.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

cycle looks great! nolva could go at 20/20/10/10 or 40/20/10/10, if you're the cautious type.

it's a coin toss as to whether or not you'd like to use nolva. while our TRS has been shown to work with multiple compound cycles (one member recently attested to having used it for phera/s-drol/tren trio and recovered fine), it's still subjective...

if you feel more secure using nolva, do it.

okay, support supplements... considering that epi is methylated, you'll want liver fortification and perhaps something to combat hypertension. taurine will aid in the latter; NAC will aid in the former. i very often recommend BCS labs cycle stack, which is (as far as i'm concerned) the most comprehensive all-in-one cycle support formula available right now.

for the MPB, epi is already 5-alpha reduced, so shedding should be kept to a minimum. because it's a genetic condition, you can't stop it, but vitamins a, b, c, and e should help. in that, a quality multi, with correct forms of these vitamins would be in your best interest. to boost that vitamin e level, you could use toco-8 on cycle as well as in your PCT.

thanks guys. only reason im thinking nolva to maybe get rid of my one puffy nip and i dont want that one to get worse.

one more question. if im taking anadraulic state, how long until i can start my cycle? or would it be possible to jsut cut anadraulic short and start the cycle asap?

[_Smitty_]

Originally Posted by imawake

one more question. if im taking anadraulic state, how long until i can start my cycle? or would it be possible to jsut cut anadraulic short and start the cycle asap?

you can begin your cycle whenever.

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by imawake

thanks guys. only reason im thinking nolva to maybe get rid of my one puffy nip and i dont want that one to get worse.

one more question. if im taking anadraulic state, how long until i can start my cycle? or would it be possible to jsut cut anadraulic short and start the cycle asap?

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

you can begin your cycle whenever.

What ^^ he said.

[imawake]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ibe/epistan.html

is that epistane ok?

how should i dose that? 6 hours apart?

1 pill= 10mg right?

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by imawake

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ibe/epistan.html

is that epistane ok?

how should i dose that? 6 hours apart?

1 pill= 10mg right?

I would ecommend this one: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sm/hemapolin.html

I feel it comes from an extremely trustworthy source.

Does it 6-8 hours apart. Use 1 pill per dose.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

I would ecommend this one: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sm/hemapolin.html

I feel it comes from an extremely trustworthy source.

Does it 6-8 hours apart. Use 1 pill per dose.

same thing? epistane?

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by imawake

same thing? epistane?

Probably. I just like StarMark because you can trust them.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

Probably. I just like StarMark because you can trust them.

how about havoc? it seems to be tried and trusted by the boards.

also i only need one thing of sustain alpha right?

[imawake]

My order ok?



Delete Qty SKU Product Availability Price Total
Delete PRIPER001 Primordial Performance 1-T, 7.2 fl oz. In Stock $53.99 $107.98
Delete PRIPER007 Primordial Performance Toco-8, 38 Grams In Stock $26.95 $26.95
Delete PRIPER002 Primordial Performance Sustain Alpha, 7.2 fl oz.
On Backorder
$44.95 $44.95
Delete PRIPER012 Primordial Performance EndoAMP Max, 66 Grams In Stock $53.00 $53.00
Delete IBE006 Innovative Body Enhancement Epistane, 90 Capsules In Stock $29.99 $29.99
Delete SOL053 Solaray Damiana, 100 Capsules In Stock $6.09 $12.18
Delete LTIME045 LifeTime Peruvian Maca, 120 Capsules In Stock $9.99 $9.99
Delete AI035 Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support, 60 Servings, Chocolate

[MRB123]

Looks good

[Rodzilla01]

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

I very often recommend BCS labs cycle stack, which is (as far as i'm concerned) the most comprehensive all-in-one cycle support formula available right now.

This man knows what he is talking about!!

[newequation]

Something to consider - I would advise against staying on Epi for six weeks.

[kknecht1]

Originally Posted by imawake

My order ok?



Delete Qty SKU Product Availability Price Total
Delete PRIPER001 Primordial Performance 1-T, 7.2 fl oz. In Stock $53.99 $107.98
Delete PRIPER007 Primordial Performance Toco-8, 38 Grams In Stock $26.95 $26.95
Delete PRIPER002 Primordial Performance Sustain Alpha, 7.2 fl oz.
On Backorder
$44.95 $44.95
Delete PRIPER012 Primordial Performance EndoAMP Max, 66 Grams In Stock $53.00 $53.00
Delete IBE006 Innovative Body Enhancement Epistane, 90 Capsules In Stock $29.99 $29.99
Delete SOL053 Solaray Damiana, 100 Capsules In Stock $6.09 $12.18
Delete LTIME045 LifeTime Peruvian Maca, 120 Capsules In Stock $9.99 $9.99
Delete AI035 Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support, 60 Servings, Chocolate

Order looks good!

1-T w/Epi should be a nice stack!

I would swap out the 'chocolate' cycle support for the 'orange', since it contains more servings for the same price. Or go for BCS labs cycle stack.

[kknecht1]

Originally Posted by imawake

how about havoc? it seems to be tried and trusted by the boards.

also i only need one thing of sustain alpha right?

I would choose Havoc over Epistane (reviews I have seen favor Havoc).

1 bottle of Sustain Alpha is all that is needed to use during PCT.

[Adjusting]

Everything looks solid imawake.

Let us know if you have any more questions.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

Everything looks solid imawake.

Let us know if you have any more questions.

thanks guys, will do

[imawake]

i read on the pp wwebsite that some people use sustain while taking 1-t on cycle? why?

do you think that my puffy nip will get worse with 1-t? even though im using epi and nolva?

[Rodzilla01]

Originally Posted by imawake

i read on the pp wwebsite that some people use sustain while taking 1-t on cycle? why?

I believe its supposed to help prevent shutdown.

[_Smitty_]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla01

I believe its supposed to help prevent shutdown.

simplest terms, yes.

it aids in maintaining libido and makes for a smooth transition into PCT.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

simplest terms, yes.

it aids in maintaining libido and makes for a smooth transition into PCT.

would that be better for me and then use nolva after because of my puffy nip?

[_Smitty_]

Originally Posted by imawake

would that be better for me and then use nolva after because of my puffy nip?

it's all really how you find yourself reacting to the 1-t. it can be mildly suppressive, so that's something to consider.

i would personally incorporate it into my cycle if i were using multiple compounds simultaneously.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

it's all really how you find yourself reacting to the 1-t. it can be mildly suppressive, so that's something to consider.

i would personally incorporate it into my cycle if i were using multiple compounds simultaneously.

then lets redo this:

sustain for the entire cycle of 1-t/epi at 3 days on, 3 days off? and then how would pct go?

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

simplest terms, yes.

it aids in maintaining libido and makes for a smooth transition into PCT.

Originally Posted by _Smitty_

it's all really how you find yourself reacting to the 1-t. it can be mildly suppressive, so that's something to consider.

i would personally incorporate it into my cycle if i were using multiple compounds simultaneously.

^^^^ This! Mike is always on point.

Originally Posted by imawake

then lets redo this:

sustain for the entire cycle of 1-t/epi at 3 days on, 3 days off? and then how would pct go?

SA for on cycle is more for libido especially in the prescence of strong androgens. Epi and 1-T will shut you down. The bigger culprit in that scenario is obviously the Epi so in all honesty, it's safe to assume you'll need either SA or the nolva in PCT. You can use SA on cycle and then nolva for PCT.

[imawake]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

^^^^ This! Mike is always on point.



SA for on cycle is more for libido especially in the prescence of strong androgens. Epi and 1-T will shut you down. The bigger culprit in that scenario is obviously the Epi so in all honesty, it's safe to assume you'll need either SA or the nolva in PCT. You can use SA on cycle and then nolva for PCT.

so it would only help for libido, not for gyno prevention? if thats the case would it be ok to only start SA on cycle if i need my libido (no use for it right now- have maca just in case).

if thats the case ill stick to my original plan for pct with nolva then TRS

OR
would it possible to take another oral natty test booster on cycle? and would prime and powerfull be ok to add near the end of PCT?