$50 says you can not prove that a person can put on 15 pounds of muscle in a month.

[leonidas300]

Since my last thread I have had a parade of morons clutter up the thread with the typical response. Well bro, this guy I know ran superdrol and he put on 30 lbs in a month and his bodyfat went down. Ok, since you guys are soooo smart, prove to me with any credible science article you want how much muscle mass the body is capable of synthesizing in a months time. Then show me how much that can be improved with pharmaceutical enhancement. Show me studies using steroids about how much fat free muscle mass a person can expect to gain while using whatever substance. Only qualification is the study has to be independent, it can not be financed by the people promoting/selling the product. I want Universitiy Studies, studies from credible scientific journals, from credible athletic journals, etc.., not some crappy cell-tech study. I am also talking about muscular bodyweight, not total weight. I can put on 50 pounds in a month , but most of it will be fat and water weight. Show me how many calories a day it takes to create a pound of muscle, how many calories are needed to sustain that pound of muscle, and how many calories are partitioned between fat and muscle and for normal maintenance. All of the information is out there. If you can demonstrate to me that it is realistic for an average person to be able to put on 15 pounds of new muscle in a month, I will send you $50.00. If you can show that they can put on 15 pounds of muscle weight and simultaneously lose bodyfat (which is impossible but I am throwing it out there) I will give you $100. Alan Aragon will judge the credibility of the study and be the ultimate judge if you win my money or not.

If you post about your friend using a steroid and putting on so much weight, or you did, I am organizing a team of 20 people with enormous rep power to neg you. That will be the penalty for an incorrect and just plain stupid answer and does not violate the rules about neg trains.

So can you do it, do you want my money. Well put up or shut up.

If you want to run your own study with muscle biopsies that is fine as well. Sorry bodyfat testing does not show how much muscle you put on, it only shows how much fat you put on. The machines do not weigh the water that your muscles are holding. Yes you might have gained 20lbs and no bodyfat, but 18 of those pounds is water your exisisting muscles are holding onto. That is why your muscles feel so pumped and swole when you do teh roids, cause they holding more water playa.

[iForce Dave]

no one can do this, and you know that

besides, if we did find one genetic freak who could, what would that prove? Nothing

[TMac26]

no one can do this, and you know that

besides, if we did find one genetic freak who could, what would that prove? Nothing

x2...Not possible.

[leonidas300]

no one can do this, and you know that

besides, if we did find one genetic freak who could, what would that prove? Nothing

Have you read through my last thread where person after person questioned this though. Every single page 4 people would post about their friends experience with Superdrol and putting on 30 lbs. Others were questioning the limits I posted about all together.

Rather than arguing nonsense, I am putting the burden on those that say it is possible and giving a research assignment to those that doubt or dispute my claims. Prove me wrong and you get money. I think it is rather magnanimous of me to offer my money like this I know it is not possible but it is like giving a man a fish to eat or teaching him how to fish. If anyone really believes it is possible, and the way people post it is a completely normal experience, than their should be some science to back it up.

There are tons of studies conducted all over the world examining the effects of performance enhancing drugs and steroids, and surely if an 18 year old is routinely putting on 30 pounds of muscle in a month, there should be an article documenting this medical miracle? I have looked at all the research and that is why I started my other thread, I was just shocked at the number of people that wanted to argue the point with me.

[TMac26]

Have you read through my last thread where person after person questioned this though. Every single page 4 people would post about their friends experience with Superdrol and putting on 30 lbs. Others were questioning the limits I posted about all together.

Rather than arguing nonsense, I am putting the burden on those that say it is possible and giving a research assignment to those that doubt or dispute my claims. Prove me wrong and you get money. I think it is rather magnanimous of me to offer my money like this I know it is not possible but it is like giving a man a fish to eat or teaching him how to fish. If anyone really believes it is possible, and the way people post it is a completely normal experience, than their should be some science to back it up.

There are tons of studies conducted all over the world examining the effects of performance enhancing drugs and steroids, and surely if an 18 year old is routinely putting on 30 pounds of muscle in a month, there should be an article documenting this medical miracle? I have looked at all the research and that is why I started my other thread, I was just shocked at the number of people that wanted to argue the point with me.

It's because someone always knows someone who's cousin ran Superdrol and gained more mass in one month than anyone ever did on a month of AAS.

[VaughnTrue]

30lbs in 1 month breaks down to:


6-7lbs muscle
8-12lbs glycogen storage
10lbs of internet "i gained mroe than you" bravado

[iForce Dave]

30lbs in 1 month breaks down to:


6-7lbs muscle
8-12lbs glycogen storage
10lbs of internet "i gained mroe than you" bravado

i gained 20 pounds of BROvado last night. up to 255 yeaaaa

[yCat]

Ill throw another 50 on top of this dawg

[VaughnTrue]

you might not be able to gain 15lbs in a month...



but apparently you can gain 22lbs in 6 weeks!



it's science!

[user98511001541]

its all about the glycogen retention and water bloat


i remember my phera cycle where i was up 12 lbs but looked like complete **** haha

[rezstyle]

The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 181/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that ?because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day.? In non-complicated, mathematical terms, this would equate to roughly 23 pounds in a year! Keep in mind that high-level athletes are the subjects of these studies.

[lee__d]

The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 181/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that ?because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day.? In non-complicated, mathematical terms, this would equate to roughly 23 pounds in a year! Keep in mind that high-level athletes are the subjects of these studies.

quick search does not win money

[factotum]

Intramuscular glycogen or water retention can be regarded as lbm. Once again it's an issue of semantics. Lawyers make their living off the disputed meaning of a word or phrase, which is usually at the heart of many arguments.

But $50!!! I'll be damned if I pass up a good opportunity at money, even one such as this, as suspect and disturbing as it may be.

[rezstyle]

quick search does not win money

I was agreeing, not disagreeing. I do have a question that I'm sure's been talked about before. 23 pounds/year according to that article and we'll say give or take depending upon the person. How much sense does it really make going through a cutting and bulking phase throughout the year? Someone did mention on another board they don't do the phases because they don't believe in them. I guess I'm curious who knows the science behind it one way or the other.

[jkeithc82]

Clay I'll email you my paypal information.

I put 15 lbs worth of mussel on my credit card this past weekend.

[VaughnTrue]

Clay I'll email you my paypal information.

I put 15 lbs worth of mussel on my credit card this past weekend.

wow dorothy mantooth got lucky this weekend

[LikeAMachine]

I go to other supplement sites and have seen KIDS (ages 12-18) CLAIM to have gained 15 lbs of muscle in a month from GNC Wheybolic.....I had the lulz calling them out on it.

Cannot be done.

[Rodzilla01]

Done!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/va...ghtedvest.html

[TMac26]

Done!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/va...ghtedvest.html

lmao...put it on and BOOM...instant 20lbs!

[MBSowards]

Done!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/va...ghtedvest.html

Son of a bitch! You are splitting that 50 bucks with me, copy cat.

[Rodzilla01]

Son of a bitch! You are splitting that 50 bucks with me, copy cat.

Lulz.....

[TMac26]

Son of a bitch! You are splitting that 50 bucks with me, copy cat.

lol...i think its 100 now cause someone was willing to throw in 50 bucks with OP

[MBSowards]

lol...i think its 100 now cause someone was willing to throw in 50 bucks with OP

Sweet, 50 bucks each.

[factotum]

Done!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/va...ghtedvest.html

How does that qualify as muscle?

[Teej209]

the myostatin mutant could do it

[SeanEH]

Sorry bodyfat testing does not show how much muscle you put on, it only shows how much fat you put on. The machines do not weigh the water that your muscles are holding. Yes you might have gained 20lbs and no bodyfat, but 18 of those pounds is water your exisisting muscles are holding onto. That is why your muscles feel so pumped and swole when you do teh roids, cause they holding more water playa.

Isn't getting pumped and swole the purpose? Is there some reason I should care whether what appears to me and everybody else to be muscle is actually muscle according to your definition, as long as it looks good? Strength would be something to consider, I guess. But as long as that's going up too (and it does quickly on a steroid), what difference does it make?

[Shreddersteve]

It's much more realistic to expect gains around 20 lbs of muscle while running a 12 week cycle of testosterone Cypionate and Trenbolone stacked. I never believe it when someone claims they put on 15lbs in a month from Superdrol. If they did then half of that is muscle, the rest is water and fat and 8 lbs of muscle in a month is NOT BAD!

[GeneGnomeX]

Tim Ferris may be one of the few with enough data to show this is reasonable, supposedly in his upcoming book he details his body recomposition trials:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog...ng-superhuman/

My next book will be a hacker?s guide to the human body. The working title is ?From Rapid Fat Loss to Strongmen: A Guide to Becoming Superhuman.? It has actually been planned for more than two years.

I?ve recorded almost every workout I?ve done since age 15, and my house looks like an ER, with dozens of gadgets and medical devices for capturing data. I?ve had hundreds of blood tests performed and have been doing this since 1996, with costs now totalling well over $100,000. I?ve taken my weight from 145 lbs. to 225 lbs. (lean) and back down, and I can remove or add 20 lbs. in 3-4 weeks on-demand.

So, what is the result of all this OCD madness?

I can show you how I safely do things outdated physiology textbooks tell you is impossible. This isn?t because I have some unique intelligence. It?s because I?ve tested the most basic assumptions of nutrition and exercise? and I experiment with outrageous alternatives that end up working.

Cut 2% bodyfat in two weeks? No problem. Increase muscular strength 30% in 48-72 hours, or drop 50-100 pounds of fat? Not an issue. I?ve done the guinea pig shotgun approach so you don?t have to. I?ll spare you the 10,000 pages of literature on a given topic and give you the one unusual 1-2-3 method that produced unbelievable results. That is not to imply this book will not be limited to me. I?ll attempt to include replicable results on multiple subjects (of both genders and including 60+-year olds) instead of ?It worked for me, therefore it will work for you? in almost all cases.

Self-experimentation galore, cutting-edge labs from the Ivy League to the Middle East, interviews with superhuman athletes, and a guru-killing examination of results with some of the brightest PhDs and MDs in the world will form the backbone of this book. It will be equally designed for men and women.

Though I am completely skeptical based on some of his blog post claims about weight loss/gain (comparable hype to some supplement companies) and will wait for credible reviews before even thinking about purchasing it, it may bring a unique mesh of science and real world if he does it right.

[pushinweightwi]

I have gained over 20lbs in a month, was a rebound after dieting down. I liked the fullness and look but was never delusional to the point that I thought it was muscle. People can believe what they want, I'm gonna go with facts, its just my thing lol.

[MattyH7688]

ill gain 15lbs of fat in a month for $50