What What? Post Workout Shake?

[XCriticalBenchX]

LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!

After a lot of talk and discussion, we at I-Force would love to see what you guys here on the forums like in Post Workout Shakes. There have been threads on this in the past, but we want you guys to think outside the box!!!!

Remember, this is a post workout formula, containing the basics, with an innovative approach we are currently pretty excited about! By no means does this mean I-Force will release a PWO product, this is just an idea we are toying with if there is demand!! Not asking you to build us a product, we just want your voices to be heard and care about what you guys want!!!


1. Being a post workout product, carbs and protein are essential. With all the debate between fast and slow carbs, WMS potentially being a slow carb, etc. What carb(s) source would you like to see, and how many total carbs per serving.

2. Would you like to see nutrient partition's in the product to force feed glucose and protein to the muscles?

3. Would you like to see some sort of stimulant low dosed to carry you through the rest of the day as a lot of people are left tired post workout (I know I am!!!).

4. Would you like to see a volumizing complex PWO like some include in pre-workouts? Has anybody ever tried doing that on their own?.

5. What other things would you like to see. Basic, innovative, etc!?!


Thank you all who chose to voice your opinion! We appreciate any comments!

[icetrauma]

Honestly Mike, I like my post shakes simple. Carbs and proteinz. Currently using XF whey Artic Lemonade 2 scoops + 2 table spoons sugar. I am not a fan of low glycemic carbs for post workout. That is why I never really understoon oats post workout. Complex carbs 1hr pre and for post meal are ideal but not in post workout shakes. Most companies, if not all, want to throw the kitchen sink in. Keep it simple.

Protein 25g
Carbs 20g
Amino complex
Insulin support

[Hypertrophik]

Glycine / Taurine

[dekd]

1. Maybe like 30-40g of carbs, half D-Glucose and half waxy maize

2. Sure why not

3. Maybe one with stims, and one without for people who workout late at night.

4. Not really

5. Maybe added cissus and some vitamins/minerals.

[XCriticalBenchX]

Originally Posted by icetrauma

Honestly Mike, I like my post shakes simple. Carbs and proteinz. Currently using XF whey Artic Lemonade 2 scoops + 2 table spoons sugar. I am not a fan of low glycemic carbs for post workout. That is why I never really understoon oats post workout. Complex carbs 1hr pre and for post meal are ideal but not in post workout shakes. Most companies, if not all, want to throw the kitchen sink in. Keep it simple.

Protein 25g
Carbs 20g
Amino complex
Insulin support

I Agree, anyone who knows me knows I keep things very simple. I don't go for all the new things on the market, I stick to what worked in the past. Some may some what I do, is overdone but it works for me. My ideal post workout is 50 grams protein, 100 grams dextrose, 10 grams creatine mono. I never once liked slow carbs pwo.. i swell up with fast carbs.

But, I have been toying around with a few different things PWO and have been finding some great things. Some thing I noticed was a lot of what we take pre-workout, works great for me actually PWO. Strange, I know . but that is just me lol.

Originally Posted by Hypertrophik

Glycine / Taurine

Ahh, I lovvvee glycine. Taurine is actually awesome for me pwo, I always cramp like a mofo after quad day especially. If I flex my quad in the next 6 hours, I cramp so bad!! When it happens, I usually down a tablespoon of bulk taurine.

[icetrauma]

Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX

I Agree, anyone who knows me knows I keep things very simple. I don't go for all the new things on the market, I stick to what worked in the past. Some may some what I do, is overdone but it works for me. My ideal post workout is 50 grams protein, 100 grams dextrose, 10 grams creatine mono. I never once liked slow carbs pwo.. i swell up with fast carbs.

But, I have been toying around with a few different things PWO and have been finding some great things. Some thing I noticed was a lot of what we take pre-workout, works great for me actually PWO. Strange, I know . but that is just me lol.



Ahh, I lovvvee glycine. Taurine is actually awesome for me pwo, I always cramp like a mofo after quad day especially. If I flex my quad in the next 6 hours, I cramp so bad!! When it happens, I usually down a tablespoon of bulk taurine.

Those stats I gave earlier would be per serving so those of us who are bigger would have to double scoop. I also like the higher carbs but when attracting the masses you might have to keep in mind alot of potential customer do not like alot of carbs. ie 50G+.

I like the taurine idea. Cramps are a bitch. Especially on a cutter.

[Ripnlean]

20 grams whey
20 grams casein
30 grams carbs from waxy maize
amino's
20 mg forskolin

NO CREATINE!

[LayzieBone085]

Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX

1. Being a post workout product, carbs and protein are essential. With all the debate between fast and slow carbs, WMS potentially being a slow carb, etc. What carb(s) source would you like to see, and how many total carbs per serving.

I would like to keep carbs to a minimal, I am a fan of adding my own carbs post-workout. I usually use whole foods choosing from potatotes, rice, or other sources. The debate between slow and fast has been murdered to a death. If you are in a fasted state, training to become an endurance athlete where glycogen needs to be restored asap, then yes high gi carbs are essential, to anyone else who has a pre-workout meal or supplements with aminos, the overlap of protein and other food sources in the body make it so that its not necessary and your only increasing the risk of storing bodyfat by increasing insulin response

2. Would you like to see nutrient partition's in the product to force feed glucose and protein to the muscles?

Depends, more so for endurance athletes, and people who respond better to high GI carbs, not everyone are ectomorphs or respond to high GI carbs well, some endo's or meso's can touch a high gi carb or glucose and blow up and see fat gains fast, think about the market, think about how you could profit most from your product

3. Would you like to see some sort of stimulant low dosed to carry you through the rest of the day as a lot of people are left tired post workout (I know I am!!!).

no, this is a post-workout product, it serves a purpose, to replenish the body with protein and carbs, not to stimulate the body

4. Would you like to see a volumizing complex PWO like some include in pre-workouts? Has anybody ever tried doing that on their own?.

No, keep it simple, and keep it competitive with other companies

5. What other things would you like to see. Basic, innovative, etc!?!

Different sources of carbs, a different blend of proteins, and exotic flavors, something refreshing or fruity would make for a good PWO product


Thank you all who chose to voice your opinion! We appreciate any comments!

Above.

[blixmpi]

Whatever you decide to put in the product - taste is extremely important. Try to make a unique flavor - i.e. watermelon, Pineapple Mango.

Good luck guys!

[MBSowards]

Stimulants in a PWO would be a terrible idea imo.

[jeremyleinen]

I like about 50g's each of whey and carbs. I like to keep the carb profile fairly balanced, but relying mostly on low GI carbs like oats and maybe like 20g of some faster acting carbs. I personally try to avoid a massive insulin spike.

[EricTheRed]

some hydro rice syurup

[Diablomeister]

all i do is 1 cup of 5 grain oat blend into a blender, add 2 scoops whey (whatever i have at the time) and grind that up, then add 1/2 cup of skim and thats what i have been doing for the last year, tastes good, and does the trick for me. nice and thick of yeah baby

[nni]

just copy what replenish was.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by nni

just copy what replenish was.

Minus the CEE.

[USMCxJ]

Originally Posted by EricTheRed

some hydro rice syurup

this.

HRS is the shizzzle.

waxy maize? pffffffft.

[BigPapiJR]

1. dextrose/wms/rice oligodextrin combo sounds good dosed at about 50g total
2. maybe 4-oh-isoleucine
3. hell no
4. 2.5g taurine
5. Protein blend: Peptopro or other high quality hydrolyzed protein / micellar casein blend (50/50) for a total of about 30-35g protein
Amino acid blend: BCAA (4:1:1 ratio), 5g glycine, 5g glutamine

[XCriticalBenchX]

Originally Posted by MBSowards

Stimulants in a PWO would be a terrible idea imo.

Hmm, I never thought so! But to each our own! I prefer taking stim after.. i always have energy b4 I lift, but not enough after to go home and be awake and alive unless I have over 80+ grams of dextrose. More dextrose, the more energy I have.

Originally Posted by jeremyleinen

I like about 50g's each of whey and carbs. I like to keep the carb profile fairly balanced, but relying mostly on low GI carbs like oats and maybe like 20g of some faster acting carbs. I personally try to avoid a massive insulin spike.

Ahh, were so different! I try to cause a massive slin spike lol

Originally Posted by EricTheRed

some hydro rice syurup

Interesting! I have been reading about that!

Originally Posted by nni

just copy what replenish was.

Sh*t!!! how did you find out what our plan was!!!

[blixmpi]

Creatine Nitrate
R-Ala

[MBSowards]

Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX

Hmm, I never thought so! But to each our own! I prefer taking stim after.. i always have energy b4 I lift, but not enough after to go home and be awake and alive unless I have over 80+ grams of dextrose. More dextrose, the more energy I have.

There...is a product (I can't mention names now) that is recommended a serving pre and a serving post.

It is a stim product.

I felt TERRIBLE after the post dose...

Horrible idea. People who want non-stims, etc. would be unable to use your post workout product, etc.

If you use stims pre, then stims post, after a workout you are just asking for a rougher crash imo.

[XCriticalBenchX]

Originally Posted by MBSowards

There...is a product (I can't mention names now) that is recommended a serving pre and a serving post.

It is a stim product.

I felt TERRIBLE after the post dose...

Horrible idea. People who want non-stims, etc. would be unable to use your post workout product, etc.

If you use stims pre, then stims post, after a workout you are just asking for a rougher crash imo.

True true! Not all of my questions were geared directly for I-force.. some were just to gather ideas, see if people think like me, etc.

Opposite of you, i prefer stims after workout I think im just to motivated lol. Even with 4 hours of sleep, I'm always poppin to workout haha. I just crash like hell after.

[jeremyleinen]

Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX

Ahh, were so different! I try to cause a massive slin spike lol

I used to do that- I'd use about 70g of maltodextrin pwo but it seemed to cause me to put on some fat, so I go for the lower GI these days.

[XCriticalBenchX]

Originally Posted by jeremyleinen

I used to do that- I'd use about 70g of maltodextrin pwo but it seemed to cause me to put on some fat, so I go for the lower GI these days.

I tried lower GI carbs, but I just deflated and felt like crap . Anything les than 60ish grams and Im left feeling tired, deflated, and crap. 80-100 makes me feel carb loaded, full, tons of energy.

[EricTheRed]

Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX

Interesting! I have been reading about that!

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granted i've never used the stuff but the non-bro science and some of the reviews of the ONE seem very positive. If you want to get away from what everyone else is doing i would suggest looking into it.

Also i remember you talking about the massive sugar rush you need after a workout Its unfortunate most of us cant do that unless we want to be fatties

[XCriticalBenchX]

Originally Posted by EricTheRed

granted i've never used the stuff but the non-bro science and some of the reviews of the ONE seem very positive. If you want to get away from what everyone else is doing i would suggest looking into it.

Also i remember you talking about the massive sugar rush you need after a workout Its unfortunate most of us cant do that unless we want to be fatties

I use 1 sugar rush a day, PWO. All other means consist of oatmeal essentially as my carb source. I eat nearly 400 grams of carbs from oatmeal alone, a day. Aside from when i go out to eat and the like.

[icetrauma]

Originally Posted by EricTheRed

granted i've never used the stuff but the non-bro science and some of the reviews of the ONE seem very positive. If you want to get away from what everyone else is doing i would suggest looking into it.

Also i remember you talking about the massive sugar rush you need after a workout Its unfortunate most of us cant do that unless we want to be fatties

Sorry Eric. I am going to have to debunk the real science results until the bro-science results are in.

[EMISGOD]

You have questions. Here are answers.

1. Being a post workout product, carbs and protein are essential. With all the debate between fast and slow carbs, WMS potentially being a slow carb, etc. What carb(s) source would you like to see, and how many total carbs per serving?

In my view, it should be something fast. I'm not going to tell you which exact one (or more) I use in my personal formulation, but speed is everything here.

2. Would you like to see nutrient partition's in the product to force feed glucose and protein to the muscles?

If you believe in the anabolic window and wish to take advantage of it fully, the only answer here is yes.

3. Would you like to see some sort of stimulant low dosed to carry you through the rest of the day as a lot of people are left tired post workout (I know I am!!!).

One of the two things I did was to make my PWO formulation something that could be used at night, which is when I work out most of the time, and still be able to sleep. The other thing was to make it useful for a low-carb diet scheme, which almost all of the current formulations miss. As to the stimulant, you can always easily (and cheaply) add them yourself. There is no reason (and no benefit) to adding them to a PWO shake.

4. Would you like to see a volumizing complex PWO like some include in pre-workouts? Has anybody ever tried doing that on their own?.

In order, no and yes.

5. What other things would you like to see. Basic, innovative, etc!?!

I don't think you have to re-invent the wheel here. This is not rocket science. Just make something that works and works well enough that you can work any muscle group (except Legs), with an identical workout, the very next day after initially working it. I did. The reason that there is a feeling that this is a dead category is because nothing out there works spectacularly well, hence people buy what is out there once and don't find the trade-off of dollars to results to be worthwhile...the other thing is that you are going to have to be very careful at what price this hits the market at, even if it works wildly well...

[EricTheRed]

Originally Posted by icetrauma

Sorry Eric. I am going to have to debunk the real science results until the bro-science results are in.

well then feel free to bro away

[rockyl686]

Originally Posted by icetrauma

Honestly Mike, I like my post shakes simple. Carbs and proteinz. Currently using XF whey Artic Lemonade 2 scoops + 2 table spoons sugar. I am not a fan of low glycemic carbs for post workout. That is why I never really understoon oats post workout. Complex carbs 1hr pre and for post meal are ideal but not in post workout shakes. Most companies, if not all, want to throw the kitchen sink in. Keep it simple.

Protein 25g
Carbs 20g
Amino complex
Insulin support

agree with this

[kingjameskjf]

Originally Posted by MBSowards

Stimulants in a PWO would be a terrible idea imo.

I agree with this. Especially since I workout in the evening and see no point in PWO stims.

Originally Posted by BigPapiJR

1. dextrose/wms/rice oligodextrin combo sounds good dosed at about 50g total
2. maybe 4-oh-isoleucine
3. hell no
4. 2.5g taurine
5. Protein blend: Peptopro or other high quality hydrolyzed protein / micellar casein blend (50/50) for a total of about 30-35g protein
Amino acid blend: BCAA (4:1:1 ratio), 5g glycine, 5g glutamine

I actually really like this^^^!