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Old 08-27-2009, 09:42 PM   #1
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someone help me with this physics problem

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A 45.0 g Super Ball traveling at 27.0 m/s bounces off a brick wall and rebounds at 22.0 m/s. A high-speed camera records this event. If the ball is in contact with the wall for 3.00 ms, what is the magnitude of the average acceleration of the ball during this time interval?
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:43 PM   #2
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a=dv/dt

5/3ms

acceleration is -5/3 m/ms^2


or like 1667 m/s^2
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:44 PM   #3
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a=v2-v1/t make one of the v's in negative because one is going in the oppositite direction of the other and that's it...
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Alright listen up, I'll try to explain it for you.

Now, let k = radius of a right circular cylinder inscribed within a sphere of radius r where h is the height of the cylinder.

Then the volume of the cylinder, (I’ll use Vc), is Vc = pi*k2*h.

Note that the distance from the center of the cylinder (same as center of sphere) to a point on the rim of the cylinder (also on sphere) is r. Note also that the (shortest) distance from the center of cylinder to the side of the cylinder is k. Note even further, that the distance from the point on the side (just mentioned) to a point on the rim if cylinder is h/2. A diagram can help you see that the points mentioned above form a right triangle. Label the central angle of this triangle as T.

Then sin(T) = h/(2r) and cos(T)=k/r

this gives h = 2r*sin(T) and k = r*cos(T)

So, we can rewrite the volume of the (inscribed) cylinder as

Vc = pi*r2cos2(T)*2r*sin(T)

giving Vc = 2pi*r3cos2(T)sin(T)

...Maximize Vc.

differentiate with respect to T (remember that r is considered constant here).

Vc’ = 2pi*r3cos(T)*[cos2(T) - 2sin2(T)] ...this is after some simplifying/rearranging.

Keep in mind that T must be between 0 and pi/2 exclusive (refer to your diagram)...

critical values will be when Vc’ = 0.

this should lead you to cos2(T) - 2sin2(T) {since the other factor will have no critical values in the desired range}

further, this gives tan(T) = sqrt(2)/2 {remember there are range restrictions which allow us to disregard other possibilities}

This gives sin(T) = sqrt(3)/3 and cos(T) = sqrt(6)/3.
Substituting the values into our volume equation for a cylinder gives

Vc = 2pi*r3cos2(T)sin(T)

= (4/9)sqrt(3)pi*r3 as the maximum volume of an inscribed cylinder

phew... {and I even left out some of the stuff}

so, the ratio of volume of sphere to maximum volume of inscribed cylinder is

Vs to Vc

or [(4/3)pi*r3] / [(4/9)sqrt(3)pi*r3]

which yields sqrt(3) to 1 after simplifying.

{...so your given answer was correct}

sure hope you followed all that ‘cause i’m tired of typing
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a=dv/dt

5/3ms

acceleration is -5/3 m/ms^2


or like 1667 m/s^2
yeh suppose to be in m/s^2

and first thing I tried. Its saying its wrong..

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a=v2-v1/t make one of the v's in negative because one is going in the oppositite direction of the other and that's it...
if you make v2 negative (cause its rebounding in the opp direction) you get -49 (-22-27) divided by .003s = -16333.33...

not suppose to be a negative number but maybe 16333 is right (or 16300) if you make v1 negative and end up adding em...seems to big though.

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Old 08-28-2009, 09:14 AM   #6
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Assume the direction after the ball boucnes is positive.
Also assume 1.5ms to compress and 1.5ms to decompress

a1 = -(v1 - 0)/(t/2)

a1 = -(27m/s)/(.0015s)

a1 = -18000

(decelleration)

a1 = (v2 - 0)/(t/2)

a2 = (22m/s)(.0015)

a2 = 14666.6

(acceleration)

a_avg = (a1+a2)/2

or -1666.7 m/s^2

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wait, that's not the answer?
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yeh its not negative.. that was my first answer and it told me I had the wrong sign. So I changed the sign and its still wrong.

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still never got it?

okay so you have the ball going two directions

say:

initially: ------->
and then coming back: <--------

the acceleration must be a LOT going <------ to change the velocity that much so assign a positive and negative direction

let -----> be positive (v1) and <---- be negative (v2)

a= (-22)-(27)/.003
a=-16333.333

or a=16333.33 m/s^2 [<----]

gotta have direction, acceleration is a vector
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alright 16333 (or 16300 cause of sig figs) is right. I just thought it was to large of a number.

thanks guys
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