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    diesel test pro-cycle

    anyone tried this with decent results? also, ive been hearing mixed things about it. some say its hormonal and i shouldnt try it at age 20, others have been saying its natural and its ok to take it even at 18. also, anyone know a NON hormonal supplements that would help with minimal weight gain and optimal strength gain?
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    Originally Posted by jayjee123 View Post
    anyone tried this with decent results? also, ive been hearing mixed things about it. some say its hormonal and i shouldnt try it at age 20, others have been saying its natural and its ok to take it even at 18. also, anyone know a NON hormonal supplements that would help with minimal weight gain and optimal strength gain?
    whats ingredients?
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    Originally Posted by Kthomas...EST View Post
    whats ingredients?
    B-6(Pyridoxine HCL) 4mg 200%
    Zinc(as Monomethionine) 8mg 54%
    Selenium(as L-Selenomethionine) 25mcg 35%
    Copper(Chelated) 200mcg 10%
    DHEA 20mg *
    Pregnenolone 20mg

    and then of course the proprietary blend which i already know is all natural. the thing that keep hearing mixed answers about is the dhea. some say its hormonal some say its natural

    edit: and im kinda hesitant about using something so new, long term effects havent really been studied too much and alot of short term effects have had conflicting results
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    This isn't hormonal and it looks to be a great blend. I may pick this up in the future. I don't think you listed all the ingredients.
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    Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    This isn't hormonal and it looks to be a great blend. I may pick this up in the future. I don't think you listed all the ingredients.
    DHEA 20mg
    Pregnenolone 20mg

    Aren't those hormonal/prohormones/whatever?
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    Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    This isn't hormonal and it looks to be a great blend. I may pick this up in the future. I don't think you listed all the ingredients.
    yea i didnt list all the ingredients. there was no question about the other ones, they are all non hormonal

    Proprietary Blend 2811mg *
    Gelatinized Maca Root
    Tribulus Terrestris
    Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed)(Min. 40% Icariins)
    Acetyl L-Canitine
    Di-Indolyl-Methane (DIM)
    Arginine HCL
    Avena Sativa (Standarized For Avenacosides A&B)
    Cnidium Monnieri
    Polygonum (Standardized For Resveratrol)
    Panax Ginseng
    Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack)
    Nettle Root
    Muira Puama
    Guarana
    Phenylethylamine HCL
    Rhodiola Rosea
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    Ginko Biloba
    Rosemary
    Lecithin
    Mucuna Pruriens
    Bocopa
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    Gynostemma
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    Capsicum
    Bioperine

    thats the rest of the ingredients


    Originally Posted by aliquis View Post
    DHEA 20mg
    Pregnenolone 20mg

    Aren't those hormonal/prohormones/whatever?

    no idea, thats why im asking. everywhere i go i hear a different answer about it
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    DHEA and Pregnenolone are both technically prohormones, yes. Though I'd hardly worry about them affecting your hormones to the point of sides or needing PCT.
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    Originally Posted by jayjee123 View Post
    no idea, thats why im asking. everywhere i go i hear a different answer about it
    Wikipedia says:
    "Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is a multi-functional steroid that has been implicated in a broad range of biological effects in humans and other mammals. Together with its sulfate ester (DHEA-S), it is the most abundant steroid in humans. DHEA is produced by adrenal glands, but also sythesized de novo in the brain. It acts on the androgen receptor both directly and through its metabolites, which include androstenediol and androstendione, which can undergo further conversion to produce the androgen testosterone and the estrogens estrone and estradiol.[1]"

    I know you can't import or sell it here in Sweden, have no idea why it's allowed in the US but I guess you are different, have no idea why people say it's non-hormonal either.

    I mean, imho the usage of "pro-cycle" seem to suggest it's a cycle using pro-hormones, but what do I know.

    Don't ask my why the **** one would want lots of androgen crap though.


    Wikipedia again:
    "Pregnenolone is a steroid hormone involved in the steroidogenesis of progesterone, mineralocorticoids, glucocorticoids, androgens, and estrogens. As such it is a prohormone. Pregnenolone is a GABAA antagonist and increases neurogenesis in the hippocampus.[1]"

    Does that have any benefits when it comes to muscles? Corticoids, androgens and estrogens sounds like it suck.
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    Originally Posted by jayjee123 View Post
    anyone know a NON hormonal supplements that would help with minimal weight gain and optimal strength gain?
    Creatine.

    Iron, though in huge amounts, best supplemented over time =P, increase dosage every now and then
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