Ragnarok Discontinued?!!

[security58]

wtf, i was about to order some of this stuff!! but i got an email saying the "ultra" ragnarok was gonna come out soon...but still. what happened?

[shadar]

I'd love to know too as I just got a sample of Ragnarok I was going to try prob wed. Kinda sucks it won't be an up to date product.

[ncangey0513]

Interesting...

[TMac26]

Originally Posted by ncangey0513

Interesting...

Its being reformulated...a thread was made a couple weeks ago asking the same thing...the rep chimed in and reassured us that its just being reformulated and will be back very soon

[Al Shades]

The vast majority of products in this industry don't work at all.

The few ones that do, get "reformulated" until they don't.

Take note.

[longhorns_p]

Originally Posted by Al Shades

The vast majority of products in this industry don't work at all.

The few ones that do, get "reformulated" until they don't.

Take note.

Wut? ooooookkkkkay!

I saw on their website this morning that the new and improved is coming out next month I believe. Looks like they added a little bit of BA, 2 grams per serving. I used the original and it was good stuff! Go ahead and use that sample you got, then just buy the new formula if you like it.

OP, it looks like it might still be available on the Millenium Sport Techonologies website? I got a 50% off coupon you can apply to it...pm if u want it

[TMac26]

Originally Posted by hardtalk

i thought that product was crap?

Ever used it?...i have...the stim free version at least..and i loved it

[SwolenONE]

Originally Posted by hardtalk

i thought that product was crap?

you thought wrong.

im very excited to see what they have in the works

[kknecht1]

Originally Posted by TMac26

Its being reformulated...a thread was made a couple weeks ago asking the same thing...the rep chimed in and reassured us that its just being reformulated and will be back very soon

Nice, thats good to know!

[security58]

cool thx fellaz

[TinyMan]

FYI: from the horse's mouth.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=118353901

[Millennium 1]

Originally Posted by security58

wtf, i was about to order some of this stuff!! but i got an email saying the "ultra" ragnarok was gonna come out soon...but still. what happened?

Ragnarok is NOT discontinued. I'm not sure what bb.com is thinking but I'm not happy about this at all! My suggestion is to call them and make yourself heard.

RagNOrok-ULTRA won't be released for a little bit and the current version will be alive and well until then.

[atreyubeat]

Here is the link to my thread on it:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=118353901

I had just bought a tub of the caffeine free and literally three hours later got that discontinued message. Can't wait to see the new product!

[ncangey0513]

Originally Posted by Millennium 1

Ragnarok is NOT discontinued. I'm not sure what bb.com is thinking but I'm not happy about this at all! My suggestion is to call them and make yourself heard.

RagNOrok-ULTRA won't be released for a little bit and the current version will be alive and well until then.

A ghost .

[CTDeuce]

man these threads are getting a little old fast huh.....

Anyone that needs any future insight into the Ragnarok/RagNOrok Ultra saga here at bb.com.....please feel free to shoot me a message or write on this thread and I will make sure to answer all of your questions/concerns.

[shadar]

I mentioned the sample of Rag I had... here's the review if anyone is interested:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?p=376889861


Really good stuff! Def can't wait to see this new formula of the ULTRA!

[ProWrestleFan]

I consider reformulating something means making it even better...

[CTDeuce]

Originally Posted by ProWrestleFan

I consider reformulating something means making it even better...

I completely agree on most products from most companies.

[UNCfan1]

It looks like both caff free versions are available at your home site. Along with MycoGreen and Athyltes

[CTDeuce]

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

It looks like both caff free versions are available at your home site. Along with MycoGreen and Athyltes

looks like you might just be completely 110% right about that one


now add in the fact that if you sign up for our mailing list you'll get sick coupon codes...and you've got yourself a nice little post there!

[Al Shades]

Originally Posted by longhorns_p

Wut? ooooookkkkkay!

I saw on their website this morning that the new and improved is coming out next month I believe. Looks like they added a little bit of BA, 2 grams per serving. I used the original and it was good stuff! Go ahead and use that sample you got, then just buy the new formula if you like it.

OP, it looks like it might still be available on the Millenium Sport Techonologies website? I got a 50% off coupon you can apply to it...pm if u want it

What part didn't you understand?

If a supplement actually works, it gets reformulated into a "new and improved" version that doesn't or is, at the very least, inferior to the original.

Happened with PH's. Happened with ephedra fat burners. Happened with good transdermals like E-Form and Abliderate. Happened with ON Whey. Used to be all WPI. But then the "new and improved" version came out and it became WPI/WPC, and more expensive, to boot. It happens every time.

Originally Posted by ProWrestleFan

I consider reformulating something means making it even better...

Then you don't understand how this industry works.

There is no incentive for a manufacturer to "improve" on an already decent product. But there is plenty of incentive to repackage products that don't work into "new and improved" formulations, or to reformulate products that work into products that don't in order to save money on ingredients. Companies figure they can continue to make profits off brand name recognition...i.e. people will continue to buy the supplement after it gets reformulated because, at one time, it was actually effective. Biotest's products are a study in this tactic, from what I've read.

There's no legit reason for a company to constantly dick around with dosages, ingredients, labels, etc...especially if people aren't complaining. Every time this happens, it should set off a red flag for the consumer. It's just an effort to expand profit margins.

You people get really hung up on this stupid industry.
If you want to get big or ripped, why not just get a bottle of test?
Take supplements for health, not for performance. Over the counter performance supplements are garbage. The only effective supplements are vitamins, herbs and minerals of the kind sold by brands like NOW and other health-oriented lines. Even many of those don't really work.

The phrase bodybuilders should live by:
"If it ain't hormonal, it won't do jackschit"

[CTDeuce]

Mr Shades

Im sure your distrust in the industry comes from a place that is not MST....but i'd like to let you in on a few things before you continue to preach in a distasteful and untruthful manner.

When our company makes a reformulation (Ragnarok was changed once before in the past in case you didn't know), it is for the benefit of the consumer, and the consumer only. If we find a better source of an ingredient, a way to give you more bang for your buck, or a way to fix a small issue that some users have trouble with....we often times fix that issue and then release the reformulation. Please review the release of Cordygen v02 Ultra. Some users of the original Cordygen v02 were mentioning that they had slight stomach discomfort and GI tract issues with the product but otherwise, it was one of their favorite supplements. We then took that into consideration and found a way to re-release the product with the same "bang"...but without the issues that some users were facing. This was to benefit our customers who we appreciate 110%, and to let them know that they will not be let down by MST now...or ever.

If you have a concern with the reformulations that other companies have made with their products...by all means, write a letter or something. It's quite simple to contact just about any company out there to let them know of your concerns or issues and maybe if that company happens to be half as honest and hold themselves with half the integrity that MST does.....they might attempt to make the formula better...for you.

Otherwise, please don't trash this thread with our customers speaking their worries about not getting to use the product any longer with your slander towards other companies and their "PH's, Ephedra Fat Burners, ON Whey, and Transdermals"

[Millennium 1]

Originally Posted by CTDeuce

Mr Shades

Im sure your distrust in the industry comes from a place that is not MST....but i'd like to let you in on a few things before you continue to preach in a distasteful and untruthful manner.

When our company makes a reformulation (Ragnarok was changed once before in the past in case you didn't know), it is for the benefit of the consumer, and the consumer only. If we find a better source of an ingredient, a way to give you more bang for your buck, or a way to fix a small issue that some users have trouble with....we often times fix that issue and then release the reformulation. Please review the release of Cordygen v02 Ultra. Some users of the original Cordygen v02 were mentioning that they had slight stomach discomfort and GI tract issues with the product but otherwise, it was one of their favorite supplements. We then took that into consideration and found a way to re-release the product with the same "bang"...but without the issues that some users were facing. This was to benefit our customers who we appreciate 110%, and to let them know that they will not be let down by MST now...or ever.

If you have a concern with the reformulations that other companies have made with their products...by all means, write a letter or something. It's quite simple to contact just about any company out there to let them know of your concerns or issues and maybe if that company happens to be half as honest and hold themselves with half the integrity that MST does.....they might attempt to make the formula better...for you.

Otherwise, please don't trash this thread with our customers speaking their worries about not getting to use the product any longer with your slander towards other companies and their "PH's, Ephedra Fat Burners, ON Whey, and Transdermals"

Well put Chuck!

Mr. Shades, the first thing you need to know about MST is that we are NEVER out to screw our customer for a buck! It's that plain and simple. If we reformulate something it is ALWAYS to the customer's benefit and we don't do it to water a product down and kill sales. Our customer base is very loyal and supplement savvy and to provide anything but a solid reformulation would be an insult to them. You'll be hard pressed to find an example of MST watering any reformulation down. We simply aren't the typical supplement company!

Ragnarok and Ragnarok caffeine free will be loaded back up here at bb.com until the new RagNOrok ULTRA is released. Oh, and a hint....we did more to it than tinker with the BA. It is a better product all around and will be easier to stack with other MST products as many have requested.

Thanks everyone!

[pa mma]

Originally Posted by Millennium 1

Well put Chuck!

Mr. Shades, the first thing you need to know about MST is that we are NEVER out to screw our customer for a buck! It's that plain and simple. If we reformulate something it is ALWAYS to the customer's benefit and we don't do it to water a product down and kill sales. Our customer base is very loyal and supplement savvy and to provide anything but a solid reformulation would be an insult to them. You'll be hard pressed to find an example of MST watering any reformulation down. We simply aren't the typical supplement company!

Ragnarok and Ragnarok caffeine free will be loaded back up here at bb.com until the new RagNOrok ULTRA is released. Oh, and a hint....we did more to it than tinker with the BA. It is a better product all around and will be easier to stack with other MST products as many have requested.

Thanks everyone!

i received 2 samples of it to test my tolerance to the stims...it first of all wasn't too much which was perfect! the second thing was that the taste was excellent(had blue razz and warrior melon(liked this the best) 3rd the profile is great so i can only imagine what you are doing to it....i have slept on MST products because i don't ever buy online but the wholesale store i go to got a ton of your stuff in so i bought up the cre-02

[TMac26]

Originally Posted by pa mma

i received 2 samples of it to test my tolerance to the stims...it first of all wasn't too much which was perfect! the second thing was that the taste was excellent(had blue razz and warrior melon(liked this the best) 3rd the profile is great so i can only imagine what you are doing to it....i have slept on MST products because i don't ever buy online but the wholesale store i go to got a ton of your stuff in so i bought up the cre-02

I wanna try Cre-02...let us know how it works for you!

[CTDeuce]

Originally Posted by pa mma

i received 2 samples of it to test my tolerance to the stims...it first of all wasn't too much which was perfect! the second thing was that the taste was excellent(had blue razz and warrior melon(liked this the best) 3rd the profile is great so i can only imagine what you are doing to it....i have slept on MST products because i don't ever buy online but the wholesale store i go to got a ton of your stuff in so i bought up the cre-02

There are 2 major retail stores that have picked up products in the line...but i'm not sure what i'm allowed to say and not say here without getting in trouble, haha. Think of the major ones in the US....and you should figure it out pretty easy

[pa mma]

Originally Posted by CTDeuce

There are 2 major retail stores that have picked up products in the line...but i'm not sure what i'm allowed to say and not say here without getting in trouble, haha. Think of the major ones in the US....and you should figure it out pretty easy

i go to a small local wholesale store...just a brick and mortar store in a college town...beats online prices plus no shipping needed

[pa mma]

Originally Posted by TMac26

I wanna try Cre-02...let us know how it works for you!

so far so good...it has ecenteric(sp?) coating..but anyways i guess it is the only one with it

[CTDeuce]

the spelling is "enteric" and yes, world's first and currently only, enteric coated creatine product!

[ncangey0513]

I need to see this ingredient profile pronto. I know it will exceed my expectations.