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    Prohormones effects . Depression/Tired/Sick

    Hey guys, I know I slipped up doing this it was very stupid. I just got so into it, because all my friends were, that it messed with your head.

    What is the WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO in this situation?

    I took a pro hormone (myogenix xtreme tren) for 2 weeks on the 3/day cycle , I stopped early because I didn't like it
    I also took something called "Universal animal cuts" during the time I took it.

    My body completely crashed
    I am sick,bloating, fatigue, and depressed

    I am getting bloodwork tomorrow
    My doctor said this "can be serious"

    If you want to flame and say " YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS DOING THESE WITHOUT THE RESEARECH " than O.K. cool I get it. I ****ed up guys. I am sincere and wrong and facing depression.

    If any professionals can actually go ahead and tell me what I may be looking at at all angles, including the worst ones?
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    Your natural test levels will recover over time, you are shutdown. I would not worry too much about it and just try to maintain intensity on your workouts.
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    yeah i fuked up a while back also when i made a stupid and immature decision to take a prohormone......a month into it i started getting extremely itchy all over my body like i had chicken pox or something....then i started having trouble breathing...went to the ER and stayed there for two days....after the blood test came back..everything was normal except my liver enzymes...they were at 350...normal range is less than 50...they said my liver was enflamed and if i kept on taking the stuff i would have run into some serious liver problems.....i never felt depressed or fatigued tho...but dont be surprised if ur blood tests come back with elevated liver enzymes
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    well 19-nor isn't methylated so would it still affect his liver?
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    Originally Posted by UCFBuilder View Post
    yeah i fuked up a while back also when i made a stupid and immature decision to take a prohormone......a month into it i started getting extremely itchy all over my body like i had chicken pox or something....then i started having trouble breathing...went to the ER and stayed there for two days....after the blood test came back..everything was normal except my liver enzymes...they were at 350...normal range is less than 50...they said my liver was enflamed and if i kept on taking the stuff i would have run into some serious liver problems.....i never felt depressed or fatigued tho...but dont be surprised if ur blood tests come back with elevated liver enzymes
    Thanks so much man
    this is encouraging to know other people kind of stumble to.
    How is your liver now? Can only 2 weeks of this stuff do serious serious damage to your liver?
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    Originally Posted by HokieMuscle View Post
    well 19-nor isn't methylated so would it still affect his liver?
    if it isnt methylated...it wont affect his liver as much but his enzymes may still be elevated...thats what ive heard at least....
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    Originally Posted by zacseif View Post
    Thanks so much man
    this is encouraging to know other people kind of stumble to.
    How is your liver now? Can only 2 weeks of this stuff do serious serious damage to your liver?
    No. Tren(19-nor) isn't even methylated so your liver should not be affected much at all, I believe. A 2 week "cycle" should have no permanent side effects. Remember how it feels to have your natural test levels suppressed and learn from it.
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    Originally Posted by zacseif View Post
    Thanks so much man
    this is encouraging to know other people kind of stumble to.
    How is your liver now? Can only 2 weeks of this stuff do serious serious damage to your liver?
    of tren 3 caps a day, it might, were you using a liver support or anything? yeah dont worry man the depression is just a side effect of the PH it will go away soon. everyone makes mistakes were only human just make sure you do research when putting something like a PH in your body.
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    Originally Posted by HokieMuscle View Post
    No. Tren(19-nor) isn't even methylated so your liver should not be affected much at all, I believe. A 2 week "cycle" should have no permanent side effects. Remember how it feels to have your natural test levels suppressed and learn from it.
    Probably the most encouraging thing I could read.
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    Originally Posted by zacseif View Post
    Thanks so much man
    this is encouraging to know other people kind of stumble to.
    How is your liver now? Can only 2 weeks of this stuff do serious serious damage to your liver?
    if the stuff u took wasnt methylated(which apparently it was non-methylated) it shouldnt have affected ur liver too much...especially if its only been two weeks...my side affects started a month into it....this was 7-8 months ago for me....after the ER blood test...i had a follow up blood test 2 months later and a ultrasound to make sure my liver was looking alright...blood test came back at 150(still high but it lowered and ultrasound came back fine)...now this thursday i have my next blood test to see if my enzymes have come down further..which i assume and hope they have
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    Originally Posted by UCFBuilder View Post
    if the stuff u took wasnt methylated(which apparently it was non-methylated) it shouldnt have affected ur liver too much...especially if its only been two weeks...my side affects started a month into it....this was 7-8 months ago for me....after the ER blood test...i had a follow up blood test 2 months later and a ultrasound to make sure my liver was looking alright...blood test came back at 150(still high but it lowered and ultrasound came back fine)...now this thursday i have my next blood test to see if my enzymes have come down further..which i assume and hope they have
    Just curious what did you run and how long did you run it? Those are some scary sides.
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    Originally Posted by UCFBuilder View Post
    if the stuff u took wasnt methylated(which apparently it was non-methylated) it shouldnt have affected ur liver too much...especially if its only been two weeks...my side affects started a month into it....this was 7-8 months ago for me....after the ER blood test...i had a follow up blood test 2 months later and a ultrasound to make sure my liver was looking alright...blood test came back at 150(still high but it lowered and ultrasound came back fine)...now this thursday i have my next blood test to see if my enzymes have come down further..which i assume and hope they have
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    Originally Posted by HokieMuscle View Post
    Just curious what did you run and how long did you run it? Those are some scary sides.
    this. and were you using any liver support?
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    Originally Posted by HokieMuscle View Post
    Just curious what did you run and how long did you run it? Those are some scary sides.
    it was TT-40....tell me about it also...i though i was gonna die when i started not being able to breath....the itching was ridiculous also...from my head to my feet..EVERYTHING itched i though i was coming down with the chicken pox...apparently everthing was caused by my liver being enflamed

    Originally Posted by zacseif View Post
    Keep me posted hope the best man
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    thanks alot man...u and I both learned our lessons....after that episode im natural for life...im just too scared too touch anything again...besides doing it naturally feels better
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    this. and were you using any liver support?
    nope..no liver support...i was told to take it to help me bulk up some more before i started dieting for my show...i never did any research and just starting popping pills with the mindset that i was gonna get huge....stupidest thing i could have ever done
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    Originally Posted by zacseif View Post
    Hey guys, I know I slipped up doing this it was very stupid. I just got so into it, because all my friends were, that it messed with your head.

    What is the WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO in this situation?

    I took a pro hormone (myogenix xtreme tren) for 2 weeks on the 3/day cycle , I stopped early because I didn't like it
    I also took something called "Universal animal cuts" during the time I took it.

    My body completely crashed
    I am sick,bloating, fatigue, and depressed

    I am getting bloodwork tomorrow
    My doctor said this "can be serious"

    If you want to flame and say " YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS DOING THESE WITHOUT THE RESEARECH " than O.K. cool I get it. I ****ed up guys. I am sincere and wrong and facing depression.

    If any professionals can actually go ahead and tell me what I may be looking at at all angles, including the worst ones?
    can you become dependent on prohormones... are they addictive?
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    Originally Posted by LILpainLILgain View Post
    can you become dependent on prohormones... are they addictive?
    Mentally addictive. You can become addicted to the types of gains you feel, to how manly they make you feel.

    They are somewhat physiologically addictive, but that mainly is just a result of the potential test levels crashing after a cycle. If you PCT correctly, you can avoid that, therefore avoiding the physical dependence.
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    can you become dependent on prohormones... are they addictive?
    Don't bother yourself with them. You're 15.
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    i bet the animal cuts messed you up the most, animal cuts is a diuretic which repels water from your body and if you werent drinking enough u could of gotten really dehydrated and your body started to shut down.
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    Depression

    Hey Guys, I just finished a 6.5 week cycle of a prohormone called dimethadrol. I started to see results and was pleased until halfway through the cycle I started noticing major depression kicking in. I don't usually feel like this and I can pin point what the problem is but I haven't ever dealt with anything like this. Does anyone else have similiar experiences? I finished the cycle last week and noticing the depression is getting a lot worse and a serious lack of sex drive. When do you start to feel normal again and is this a typical response when doing PH's?
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    Originally Posted by gamache2000 View Post
    Hey Guys, I just finished a 6.5 week cycle of a prohormone called dimethadrol. I started to see results and was pleased until halfway through the cycle I started noticing major depression kicking in. I don't usually feel like this and I can pin point what the problem is but I haven't ever dealt with anything like this. Does anyone else have similiar experiences? I finished the cycle last week and noticing the depression is getting a lot worse and a serious lack of sex drive. When do you start to feel normal again and is this a typical response when doing PH's?
    What kind of pct are you using? From what I have heard your cycle went about 2.5 weeks longer than even experienced users would do because it such a harsh compound. I'm about to do a cycle and was wondering how this worked for you. This isn't my first ph cycle but this is by far the most harsh of a compound I will have taken. You do know that its basically a stack of superdrol and tbol right? Call it what you will ph, supps...they are designer roids.
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    Lol at lack of PCT knowledge, support supps, or the search feature.
    Many GREAT PH guides kicking around here, not to mention the "Why teens should use PH's sticky"
    I've ran 2 "harsh" cycles, but because I actually learned bout the sh!t I was fine and kept most of my gains.

    OP, go pick up some cycle/post-cycle support, maybe a natty test booster, and go see a doc asap
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    Originally Posted by thehybridpyro View Post
    Lol at lack of PCT knowledge, support supps, or the search feature.
    Many GREAT PH guides kicking around here, not to mention the "Why teens should use PH's sticky"
    I've ran 2 "harsh" cycles, but because I actually learned bout the sh!t I was fine and kept most of my gains.

    OP, go pick up some cycle/post-cycle support, maybe a natty test booster, and go see a doc asap
    Brah, its a last year thread. LOL
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    Originally Posted by zacseif View Post
    Hey guys, I know I slipped up doing this it was very stupid. I just got so into it, because all my friends were, that it messed with your head.

    What is the WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO in this situation?

    I took a pro hormone (myogenix xtreme tren) for 2 weeks on the 3/day cycle , I stopped early because I didn't like it
    I also took something called "Universal animal cuts" during the time I took it.

    My body completely crashed
    I am sick,bloating, fatigue, and depressed

    I am getting bloodwork tomorrow
    My doctor said this "can be serious"

    If you want to flame and say " YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS DOING THESE WITHOUT THE RESEARECH " than O.K. cool I get it. I ****ed up guys. I am sincere and wrong and facing depression.

    If any professionals can actually go ahead and tell me what I may be looking at at all angles, including the worst ones?
    i like how your worried about "depression" the most.

    and then come on this website apologizing to us that you ruined your own body by being an idiot.

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    Originally Posted by thehybridpyro View Post
    Lol at lack of PCT knowledge, support supps, or the search feature.
    Many GREAT PH guides kicking around here, not to mention the "Why teens should use PH's sticky"
    I've ran 2 "harsh" cycles, but because I actually learned bout the sh!t I was fine and kept most of my gains.

    OP, go pick up some cycle/post-cycle support, maybe a natty test booster, and go see a doc asap
    I hope your not suggesting those otc all in one pct or cycle assist crap. What "harsh" cycles did you run? What was the duration of those?
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    Originally Posted by JLJL View Post
    Brah, its a last year thread. LOL
    missed that part
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    hope you learned your lesson brah. Stick to eating big and lifting hard.

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    whats with all this ph discussion all of a sudden. Iv seen it go up alot recently after chase started using phs and some other people.
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    Originally Posted by BestProgress View Post
    whats with all this ph discussion all of a sudden. Iv seen it go up alot recently after chase started using phs and some other people.
    Ph's are basically designer steroids. They are legal....ish. that is until the manufactures are forced to remove because since 05 ph's were made illegal. Manufactures just re formulate re name and make money sometimes at the risk of your safety. They are no safer, have less sides or require any less education than the illegal stuff. They are dangerous and should not be used by anyone under 21 (25imo) they can screw you up for life if used to young and you have not done all your research. and have quite a few years of serious training.
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