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    Gay marriage is the least of ones worries

    Its the collapse in the basic family structure thats the issue. So many single mothers, kids before wedlock, teenage pregnancies, absent fathers e.t.c All responsible for the decline in values, crime, broken homes and everything thing wrong with society
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    Originally Posted by teeewoods View Post
    Gay marriage is the least of ones worries

    Its the collapse in the basic family structure thats the issue. So many single mothers, kids before wedlock, teenage pregnancies, absent fathers e.t.c All responsible for the decline in values, crime, broken homes and everything thing wrong with society
    Why do we have kids before wedlock, why do we hvae so much teenage mothers, why are so many families breaking apart?

    Because people are being rewarded for doing those exact things; Welfare.
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    has anyone asked the basic question: if gay marriage destroys the traditional marriage; how has it affected your life, personally.
    If you live in a state that allows gay marriage, has your marriage, or the marriage of your friends or parents been adversely affected?
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    Originally Posted by ibimusbtms View Post
    has anyone asked the basic question: if gay marriage destroys the traditional marriage; how has it affected your life, personally.
    If you live in a state that allows gay marriage, has your marriage, or the marriage of your friends or parents been adversely affected?
    I've been saying that all along, gay marriage will become the law of the land. We need to stop wasting the energy and money to oppose it (not that I was). It's one of those things like segregation that no amount of crying, protesting, distorting the facts, bible preaching none of it will be able to stop it because it's right.
    You can, and need to find a ground that you know you are suppose to stand on.. hence, stand your ground, this is the place where you know everything is as it should be for you. If you stand in a place where you know in your heart things are wrong, most things around you will never be right.

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    "Their actions are seen by many, and it will only be a matter of time before the effects trickle down to other issues..."

    lol, I like the part where he gives specific examples and factual evidence to back up his bigoted argument of how same sex marriage will lead to the collapse of society..
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    Don't even care what the iq of the aforementioned person is.. You're still retarded if you would like to impose on someone else's life. Would it make you sleep better? Lol and people who are pro gay marriage( like me): we need to stop advertising gay marriage like if its alway "two loving men or two loving womn" it is not up to heterosexuals to decide or predict fidelity in legalizing gay marriage. Seriously who gives a phuck? I don't care if divorce rate is 98%, I'm still for it. Heterosexual fidelity is not any phucking better. Lol at it being the country's downfall. The country's downfall will be socialist pre commies, not gay people. Let them marry you .. Republican twats
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    This nation was founded on Christian principles by Christian men and women. Whether people want to admit it or not, this is a Christian nation, and we have been for over 200 years now. Being a nation of Christian fundamentals, we have the right to ban immoral and unethical behavior, such as homosexuality. We shouldn’t have to give any further explanation other than the fact that this is what we believe in. Calling our beliefs ‘closed minded’ and ‘hateful’ is both irrational and dumb.
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    when is this whole "christian nation" thing gonna stop? People came here to flee religious persecution, the very first amendment grants freedom to do whatever the fukk you want regarding religion, and then the treaty of tripoli declared that we aren't one and never were. Not only that, but they reviewed that treaty, and made that "we aren't a christian nation" even more stern before finalizing it and printing it in every newspaper in the country.

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    Marriage is getting ruined by irresponsible retards everyday, you can't blame a fucking thing on homosexuals.

    Gay marriage might actually just make people see the injustice on how women have more leverage when it comes to divorce settlements and how frequently that's taken advantage of. Also the fact that a man has no say whether a woman gets an abortion, in any case, even if the man doesn't have expenses to pay for it, and even if he does, the women can still just get it aborted anyway.
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    If marriage rights for 3% of the population can affect the other 97% enough to destroy society, then something is terribly wrong with the other 97%
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    Originally Posted by OatsandSteak View Post
    That's a new one . It's considered a religious ceremony now, which either (a)needs to change or (b) the definition of marriage needs to change.
    It's all in what you make of it. If you and your family want it to be a social celebration, awesome. If you and you family want it to be a religious ceremony, awesome. No one is stopping you and your family from defining it any way you seem fit. Point being, the government should not be involved in any extent to defining or constraining what such a ceremony should be about, what it means, who can be involved, the rituals performed etc.


    Anyone believing that allowing gay marriage will somehow re-define or "lessen" their own marriage needs to step off their high horse and reconsider how they place value and define things in their life. They are missing the entire point of what marriage is supposed to be about! Marriage is about two people and what the two people involved collectively make about the marriage. Marriage is not about two people and everyone else, so therefore who gets married and the gender of the consenting parties does not devalue any specific marriage because it is all in what you and your wife / husband make of it. Stop letting others define the social contracts in your life by disregarding what they say and realize what you actually have.


    Edit: I'm not specifically talking to the poster I quoted - I was adding onto what he was saying.
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    how is that article even remotely interesting?

    guy is just a bible thumper with nothing original to say

    he hasn't proved that homosexuality isn't natural, he claims that it's a Christian nation, he asserts that homosexuality is immoral behaviour, he wants the tyranny of the majority to oppress the minority, and he's arguing the same stupid slippery slope fallacy

    gay marriage is between two consenting adults

    how is bestiality between two consenting adults? marrying your cousin is legal in most places, marrying your sister/daughter isn't because of the potential for abuse not making it a consenting marriage, same thing applies with bigamy

    there's nothing wrong with bigamy itself, but the majority of people who practice it do so by indoctrination and oppression into that lifestyle.

    they're not in a position to give consent


    The fact of the matter is that it's a secular country, and there's no reasonable secular arguments against gay marriage.
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    I know I've asked this question before, but are there any facts or statistics from states or countries that have legalized gay marriage that show it is affecting traditional marriage and society in general. If there is, I haven't seen any. That may add more support to a ban, if there was evidence that Gay marriage is harmful to society.
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    Originally Posted by NeverStopMoving View Post
    If marriage rights for 3% of the population can affect the other 97% enough to destroy society, then something is terribly wrong with the other 97%
    Well said.

    Originally Posted by teeewoods View Post
    Gay marriage is the least of ones worries

    Its the collapse in the basic family structure thats the issue. So many single mothers, kids before wedlock, teenage pregnancies, absent fathers e.t.c All responsible for the decline in values, crime, broken homes and everything thing wrong with society
    I agree with this. The complete lack of dignity and the willingness to make a commitment is taking its toll. It's all about #YOLO.
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    Originally Posted by ibimusbtms View Post
    has anyone asked the basic question: if gay marriage destroys the traditional marriage; how has it affected your life, personally.
    If you live in a state that allows gay marriage, has your marriage, or the marriage of your friends or parents been adversely affected?
    This is a Division and a Red Herring, and maybe some sort of inverse Tu Quoque.

    It's like when someone says, "Allowing under-performing urban students into this college will destroy our schools academic reputation," and then you reply, "What about your GPA? Has it been negatively effected by allowing them in?"
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    Originally Posted by Redwood67 View Post
    This is a Division and a Red Herring, and maybe some sort of inverse Tu Quoque.

    It's like when someone says, "Allowing under-performing urban students into this college will destroy our schools academic reputation," and then you reply, "What about your GPA? Has it been negatively effected by allowing them in?"
    No, it's like asking if there's empirical evidence for their position.

    It's like asking if other colleges have been negatively affected them allowing them in.
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    Originally Posted by angelora87 View Post
    No, it's like asking if there's empirical evidence for their position.

    It's like asking if other colleges have been negatively affected them allowing them in.
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    Originally Posted by teeewoods View Post
    Gay marriage is the least of ones worries

    Its the collapse in the basic family structure thats the issue. So many single mothers, kids before wedlock, teenage pregnancies, absent fathers e.t.c All responsible for the decline in values, crime, broken homes and everything thing wrong with society
    Add to that the fact so many young straight people don't ever want to marry and those that do many are putting off children or aren't planning to ever have a child. I don't give a rats ass that the neighbor's son has married another guy. I'm concerned that so many are getting divorced, 50% of all marriages end.

    We need to stop worrying about gays that want to marry (this will only make our country stronger). Let's turn the energy put towards blocking gay marriage into a campaign to encourage more in our country to know the joy of being a family, let's encourage young people (straight and gay) to get married and start a family. And then let's teach more couple's that get married how to stay married.

    My ancestors crossed the plains in covered wagons and handcarts, driven from the then boundaries of the United States to the desolate place called Utah. They were driven out of Illinois because of their own unique definition of marriage. When my ancestors camped at night they "circled the wagons". Inside the circle was love, songs, food, and safety. Let's now make our circle of wagons larger and include more of those on the outside in. Can we not make the circle larger and include more families into the circle of acceptance regardless of what they may look like. Be it a mom and dad, two kids and cat or two mom, a kid and 3 parakeets.
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    If it's a religious ceremony then the government should have no say in it.
    That is not true because you have legal rights as a result of a marriage as well. The only way you can both be considered the parents/guardians of an adopted child is if you two are married, and this is impossible without gay marriage being allowed. Same with property. There are also tax benefits, alimonys, etc.
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    Gay marriage is just a symptom of a larger problem in America, which is Satanism aka the worship of oneself over God. Many people in this nation follow their own doctrines and lusts, and live solely for the pleasure of the flesh. The way things go though is that people wont repent until God brings judgement. The USA is probably one of the most heathen and Satanic nations on earth. Through Hollywood and the music industry we preach that it's okay to have sex, do drugs, and to be gay. We preach that it's better to be rich and to live life in the moment. Thankfully there are a faction of people who God has touched, but I wouldn't be surprised if God judged this backslidden nation.
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    Originally Posted by the8atman View Post
    Thankfully there are a faction of people who God has touched, but I wouldn't be surprised if God judged this backslidden nation.
    Hey take your bull**** religious crap and shove it up your ass. I grew up in a so called righteous world of the 1960's, a place where it was still ok for christians to tell blacks they had to sit in the back of the bus and they couldn't go to their school. A place filled with hipocracy and when someone got abused then society and religion kept it secret rather than prosecute the guilty for fear that someone would look down on them.

    This so called more moral time was a place where all the crap was happening all the immorality only it was happening behind closed doors........ it's funny back in those days gays had sex in restrooms and back alleys, never knowing who they were having sex with. And now they have come to realize that life is so much better when you find someone and in the light you fall in love, and they have come to realize that they want to spend their life with this one person instead of random blowjobs in the park........ and you have the gall to call this a decline in morality..... religion needs to pull their self-righteous heads out of their asses and realize that this is a wonderful increase in morality........ you choose gays having a commited caring relationship or a blow-job in a back alley.
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    Originally Posted by Kiknskreem View Post
    Didn't get past the first line.

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    Originally Posted by the8atman View Post
    Gay marriage is just a symptom of a larger problem in America, which is Satanism aka the worship of oneself over God. Many people in this nation follow their own doctrines and lusts, and live solely for the pleasure of the flesh. The way things go though is that people wont repent until God brings judgement. The USA is probably one of the most heathen and Satanic nations on earth. Through Hollywood and the music industry we preach that it's okay to have sex, do drugs, and to be gay. We preach that it's better to be rich and to live life in the moment. Thankfully there are a faction of people who God has touched, but I wouldn't be surprised if God judged this backslidden nation.
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    Originally Posted by the8atman View Post
    Gay marriage is just a symptom of a larger problem in America, which is Satanism aka the worship of oneself over God. Many people in this nation follow their own doctrines and lusts, and live solely for the pleasure of the flesh. The way things go though is that people wont repent until God brings judgement. The USA is probably one of the most heathen and Satanic nations on earth. Through Hollywood and the music industry we preach that it's okay to have sex, do drugs, and to be gay. We preach that it's better to be rich and to live life in the moment. Thankfully there are a faction of people who God has touched, but I wouldn't be surprised if God judged this backslidden nation.
    if god cares so much why doesn't he just come down here and tell us that we're doing wrong?
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    Originally Posted by bigkarl View Post
    if god cares so much why doesn't he just come down here and tell us that we're doing wrong?
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    Originally Posted by spol8910 View Post
    How could two men, or two women, committing to love, cherish, respect, and live with one another till death do they part lead to the downfall of society. Just look at all the good things marriage produces, happier people, less stress, less disease, more financially stable individuals. I completely fail to see how two people promising to spend their lives together will lead to the downfall of society. If anything, we need more love in this world.
    loled hard at less stress, more happiness and more financial stability. clearly this person hasn't been married or is trolling.

    it it's so great why is the rate 50%.

    and how the hell did disease get in there? unless you're talking STDs, but people in marriages cheat all the time anyway.
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    Originally Posted by bigkarl View Post
    if god cares so much why doesn't he just come down here and tell us that we're doing wrong?

    We reap what we sow. People who are gay with get their "reward" for their sins, usually in the form of sickness and a short lifespan. God made things this way so that we can know when we're doing wrong and repent.
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    Originally Posted by themadc0w View Post
    it it's so great why is the rate 50%.
    Because now people marry for love when historically and traditionally people married for considerably different reasons and love was reserved for affairs and friends. As the paradigm of marriage has shifted, we have failed to discuss and communicate openly about that shift. Above all else if we want this design to work we must be rigorously realistic about it.
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    Originally Posted by the8atman View Post
    We reap what we sow. People who are gay with get their "reward" for their sins, usually in the form of sickness and a short lifespan. Gay males typically don't make it past the age of 50. God made things this way so that we can know when we're doing wrong and repent.
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