Were Steve Reeves and Reg Park completely natural?
As posted.. Reg looked great next to Arnold in 1970 (a Arnold on steriods), Reg offcourse trained a lot longer than Arnold back then, so this could also be why the difference between them wasn't that big.
Anyway, does anybody know if the oldtimers, like Reg and Steve used/experimented with steriods back then?
As posted.. Reg looked great next to Arnold in 1970 (a Arnold on steriods), Reg offcourse trained a lot longer than Arnold back then, so this could also be why the difference between them wasn't that big.
Anyway, does anybody know if the oldtimers, like Reg and Steve used/experimented with steriods back then?
ask this in the steroid section where it belongs.
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As posted.. Reg looked great next to Arnold in 1970 (a Arnold on steriods), Reg offcourse trained a lot longer than Arnold back then, so this could also be why the difference between them wasn't that big.
Anyway, does anybody know if the oldtimers, like Reg and Steve used/experimented with steriods back then?
Well I was reading up on some of the old bodybuilders, and I just wondered about it, since I thought it was more during Arniees time that they were used..
Just read an article in where Park's son Jon Jon says Reg was against the use of steriods, though he did not cut out people who used them.. What do you guys make of it?
Stuff I've read and heard over the years. Yes. They were pretty common among the beach community back then especially dbol. There are some old pics in which Steve is quite a bit larger than his usual self and look kinda bloated but still looks great and I always thot that's when he was on stuff. Plus, I'm going from memory, in his Herc movies his arms were big as **** and pretty ripped too and I suspected he was doing something light there. Just as Arnie probably did in every movie he has ever made. I firmly believe a lot of these candid reports are true as I don't see why the guys that were from that era would have any reason to lie. When u look back at a lot of the old timers its pretty obvious that many of them took some. Not crazy amounts like today but yes I believe they did. And Reg? One of my favorites and was one hell of a nice guy whom I got a chance to meet years ago...but jus sayin....look at him in his prime.
Just did an image search for Steve's Herc movies. Arms weren't nearly as big as I remember. Looked damned good though!
what a beautiful build...damn. For just normal walkin aorund in real life nothing to do with competion give a build like that any day over mass monsters. Wow.
Think in all these conversations you just need to compare them to todays top naturals. If they are carrying more mass then current nattys with all the supplementation and training advancements of today then i cannot believe they weren't dabbling in something.
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Think in all these conversations you just need to compare them to todays top naturals. If they are carrying more mass then current nattys with all the supplementation and training advancements of today then i cannot believe they weren't dabbling in something.
Think in all these conversations you just need to compare them to todays top naturals. If they are carrying more mass then current nattys with all the supplementation and training advancements of today then i cannot believe they weren't dabbling in something.
This is a decent way of doing it.
Also keep in mind that nearly none of the "natural" guys are actually natural. They just stop what they are doing a few weeks before show time.
This coming from someone who knows quite a few.
From looking at some of the photos, both of those guys could potentially be natural. Reg Park just naturally has a big build and Reeves doesn't strike me as a build that would require steroids at all.
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I could believe Reeves was, but its possible he wasn't.
Both Reeves and Zane I think a person with superb genetics and knowledge could achieve naturally. But just because something could be done naturally doesn't mean it is, if that makes sense.
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these guys did not get as cut as todays nattys or pro's so they gave the illusion of being much bigger, also steeve reeves wrote a book about natural bodybuilding and has come out about against steroids (his open letter to Arnold is flotting around this site), steeve reeves was also bodybuilding from 1945 to 1950 which as far as I know was before the steroid concept was relevant. reevs's back and shoulder area looks like its natural, the back and shoulder area is where th use on steroids is most obvious.
these guys did not get as cut as todays nattys or pro's so they gave the illusion of being much bigger, also steeve reeves wrote a book about natural bodybuilding and has come out about against steroids (his open letter to Arnold is flotting around this site), steeve reeves was also bodybuilding from 1945 to 1950 which as far as I know was before the steroid concept was relevant. reevs's back and shoulder area looks like its natural, the back and shoulder area is where th use on steroids is most obvious.
Roids were quite common in Steve's day. I am the last person to say that he built his body on sauce. With his natural genetics I am sure that he built his physique naturally. But do I believe he as one poster put it so perfectly, dabbled, then yes. Same with Reg. But what the hell do I know. This is one of those speculation questions but I remember reading years ago someone form that era saying that Steve def (dabbled) or whatever. But then again that's hearsay too. Remember, Steve Reeves is an icon. If he dabbled I don't blame him at all for denying it. Its a shame to have ur accomplishments reduced to taking a pill. But to think after what we have all seen with supposed heroes, that just because someone comes out and takes a stand against the juice that means he never took it, then that is being very naive. all respect intended to the previous poster.
Stuff I've read and heard over the years. Yes. They were pretty common among the beach community back then especially dbol. There are some old pics in which Steve is quite a bit larger than his usual self and look kinda bloated but still looks great and I always thot that's when he was on stuff. Plus, I'm going from memory, in his Herc movies his arms were big as **** and pretty ripped too and I suspected he was doing something light there.
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Reeves bodybuilding titles
1946 - Mr. Pacific Coast
1947 - Mr. Western America
1947 - Mr. America
1950 - Mr. Universe
Movie career from 54-68.
I personally don't think Reeves used. However it is possible he could have. Dbol was around for his movie career if not his bodybuilding career.
I think its futile to debate since both sides can make arguements for and against Reeves. If there is some evidence out there either way I would like to know about it, and not just hear say.
I believe he had great genetics and a great work ethic, and at his height his build would now be considered above average, not the best in the world.
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Got any references for that? My research over the years shows development in the late 40s. Olympic use in the late 50s and bodybuilding use in the mid 60s. Germany might have been doing some testosterone tests in the late 30s, but these tests wouldn't have been anything to trickle down to some American wanting bigger muscles yet.
Also keep in mind that nearly none of the "natural" guys are actually natural. They just stop what they are doing a few weeks before show time.
This coming from someone who knows quite a few.
From looking at some of the photos, both of those guys could potentially be natural. Reg Park just naturally has a big build and Reeves doesn't strike me as a build that would require steroids at all.
Well that depends on the org...
cutting them out doesn't help you pass a polygraph test.
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I could believe Reeves was, but its possible he wasn't.
Both Reeves and Zane I think a person with superb genetics and knowledge could achieve naturally. But just because something could be done naturally doesn't mean it is, if that makes sense.
zane? very unlikely (unless you are someone with Gods given genetics)
zane is 5 ft 9 @ 200 lbs offseason ( 190 lbs contest time)
find me one person that looks like that naturaly lol
just because zane is "aestethic" ppl think he is small... he is really big and noone can be that big + defined naturaly (unles you are some freak of nature)
cutting them out doesn't help you pass a polygraph test.
hell just check front page of ifbb section... "natural" guy admits he used steroids... and claims to be natural... in my book, once you use roids - you are not natural
hell just check front page of ifbb section... "natural" guy admits he used steroids... and claims to be natural... in my book, once you use roids - you are not natural
I agree completely. But natural orgs are different now. He said back then there was a 1 year clean policy. Nowadays, most orgs are 7 years clean. I know their are still people in the 30's and 40's that used more than 7 years ago but compete naturally now, and I don't consider that natural, because it can still have a huge impact.
But people in their 20's competing now wouldn't have time to use, then get clean for 7 years, then compete. So most of those guys are natural. And as that group ages and becomes the older group in the natty orgs, it will get to the point where most all the former users are weeded out.
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For you younger guys. Speculating if Zane AKA the Chemist was natural...now this thread has taken a laughable turn....(I am not laughing at the poster, dont want to start any negativity. Only at the idea that he was natty makes me laugh)
Btw, I was young once. Damn up until my early twenties I believed guys like Bob paris when M and F magazine said he was natty. I was a fool. But the good thing about it is that it makes u work harder if you really think u can emulate that type of muscle and cuts without drugs. It makes you strive harder. Just dont be dissapointed when after all of ur hard work u dont look like them. You'll still look better than 99.9 percent of the pop out there!
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