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    biceps and triceps worth the effort?

    Is it even worth the effort at all to directly train biceps and triceps, for both size and strength? My logic here is our body wouldnt allow our arms to grow without our shoulders to grow equally. And, shoulders shouldnt grow unless chest grows... and so on and so forth. Also, doing a day fully devoted to arms seems odd, because the HGH response would be so low without compound exercises. I mean when I do bent over rows, I feel it very much in my arms, so it seems like overkill to then do curls.

    I am just wondering what works for people.

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    Very few natural mesomorph bodytypes can get away with what you said but for ectomorphs especially..dont expect big arms or even decent arms without doing direct work to them..
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    You should do direct arm work if you would like to get your arms to their maximum potential.

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    Originally Posted by Synergy317 View Post
    Also, doing a day fully devoted to arms seems odd, because the HGH response would be so low without compound exercises.
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    Only if you want big arms.

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    They are only worth the effort of you want your arms to look good as opposed to mediocre.
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    Why would you do a whole day isolating your arms?

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    Originally Posted by AnicholasH View Post
    Why would you do a whole day isolating your arms?
    why not

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    There are a gew guys at my gym that have bulging arms compared to the rest of their bodies ie. no chest and back - from the side look very skinny. Yet you only see them mainly doing curls.

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    Originally Posted by irish27 View Post
    There are a gew guys at my gym that have bulging arms compared to the rest of their bodies ie. no chest and back - from the side look very skinny. Yet you only see them mainly doing curls.
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    Originally Posted by AnicholasH View Post
    Why would you do a whole day isolating your arms?
    look at your own arms and think about it...

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    this again? Really?

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    Originally Posted by Synergy317 View Post
    Is it even worth the effort at all to directly train biceps and triceps, for both size and strength? My logic here is our body wouldnt allow our arms to grow without our shoulders to grow equally. And, shoulders shouldnt grow unless chest grows... and so on and so forth. Also, doing a day fully devoted to arms seems odd, because the HGH response would be so low without compound exercises. I mean when I do bent over rows, I feel it very much in my arms, so it seems like overkill to then do curls.

    I am just wondering what works for people.
    I don't know where to begin.

    1. Train them if you want bigger and stronger arms; otherwise don't. No one else will care.

    2. Your logic is completely incorrect. People frequently have bodyparts that are far more developed than other bodyparts. Have you ever looked at other gym-goers?

    3. HGH response is meaningless and bro-science at its best. To quote Lyle McDonald: "Nobody has ever shown that the small hormonal spikes to training mean a thing and recent research is starting to show that it is simply meaningless."
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    Originally Posted by Synergy317 View Post
    Is it even worth the effort at all to directly train biceps and triceps, for both size and strength?

    For size? Yes, it's necessary to train them directly on a consistent basis.

    For strength? Not as much.
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    Originally Posted by BluntD View Post
    ditto.

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    Originally Posted by BluntD View Post
    Sums up the thread.
    Originally Posted by skarotum View Post
    They are only worth the effort of you want your arms to look good as opposed to mediocre.
    ^ That if you want an answer.
    Originally Posted by AnicholasH View Post
    Why would you do a whole day isolating your arms?
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    look at your own arms and think about it...
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    Always work every part directly (even forearms). I use to do the whole "heavy compounds" touted by some members here, but it just doesn't cause hypertrophy as much as compounds PLUS isolations.

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    Originally Posted by Synergy317 View Post
    Is it even worth the effort at all to directly train biceps and triceps, for both size and strength? My logic here is our body wouldnt allow our arms to grow without our shoulders to grow equally. And, shoulders shouldnt grow unless chest grows... and so on and so forth. Also, doing a day fully devoted to arms seems odd, because the HGH response would be so low without compound exercises. I mean when I do bent over rows, I feel it very much in my arms, so it seems like overkill to then do curls.

    I am just wondering what works for people.

    I don't want to sound cocky but I think your logic is completely backwards. You need your arms to work chest, back shoulders, etc. Having stronger arms will help to develop all your muscles. Vice Versa

    What i'm saying is that week arms will hold you back in other exercises as will weak shoulders or chest etc. will hold you back on arms. You need to work everything out together IMO.

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    your logic sucks....

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    Originally Posted by Synergy317 View Post
    Is it even worth the effort at all to directly train biceps and triceps, for both size and strength? My logic here is our body wouldnt allow our arms to grow without our shoulders to grow equally. And, shoulders shouldnt grow unless chest grows... and so on and so forth. Also, doing a day fully devoted to arms seems odd, because the HGH response would be so low without compound exercises. I mean when I do bent over rows, I feel it very much in my arms, so it seems like overkill to then do curls.

    I am just wondering what works for people.
    Yes if u dont want small arms lol 2/3's to 3/4's of the your upper arm is your tricep it depends on the person whether its 2/3's or 3/4s but also if u r feeling your arms when training your back your training wrong u got 2 put from your elbow and use your back not your upper arm like your bicep

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    Originally Posted by Dsquared15 View Post
    Yes if u dont want small arms lol 2/3's to 3/4's of the your upper arm is your tricep it depends on the person whether its 2/3's or 3/4s but also if u r feeling your arms when training your back your training wrong u got 2 put from your elbow and use your back not your upper arm like your bicep
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    Nah, no need to do iso arm stuff. Just come in 3 days a week and do 5x5 of deadlifts, bench, rows, military press and squats. That oughtta do it. The HGH response will be so big that you'll add 2 inches everywhere in a matter of, WAIT FOR IT, two workouts. True story.

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    Nah, no need to do iso arm stuff. Just come in 3 days a week and do 5x5 of deadlifts, bench, rows, military press and squats. That oughtta do it. The HGH response will be so big that you'll add 2 inches everywhere in a matter of, WAIT FOR IT, two workouts. True story.
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    I'm sensing a bit of sarcasm in his post D.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    I'm sensing a bit of sarcasm in his post D.
    This gets said so often seriously that I've lost the ability to tell the difference.
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    Yes if u dont want small arms lol 2/3's to 3/4's of the your upper arm is your tricep it depends on the person whether its 2/3's or 3/4s but also if u r feeling your arms when training your back your training wrong u got 2 put from your elbow and use your back not your upper arm like your bicep


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    I'm sensing a bit of sarcasm in his post D.
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