Help! Can't decide - The One, Dymeth, or Epi... my brain hurts

[mark118]

I am looking for a bulking PH after this summer using the time off to run a lot and leaned up slowly (also no doubt thanks to Act Xtreme) but I want to start getting bigger again.

I've narroed it down to (all PCT's include Bioforge)

5 week The One + 2nd Gear

4 week E-stane (epistane and bought already as it was on sale but if not used i'll use it next year) + Advance PCT or Reversitol

4 week Dymethazine + Reversitol


I read so many reports of each cycle being great... but how would you decide between them?

Please help me out guys

[FSUMuscle07]

I am looking for a bulking PH after this summer using the time off to run a lot and leaned up slowly (also no doubt thanks to Act Xtreme) but I want to start getting bigger again.

I've narroed it down to (all PCT's include Bioforge)

5 week The One + 2nd Gear

4 week E-stane (epistane) + Advance PCT or Reversitol

4 week Dymethazine + Reversitol


I read so many reports of each cycle being great... but how would you decide between them?

Please help me out guys

E-Stane IMO. The epithio compound has way more backing than either of the other two. No hate on The One or Dymeth, but epi is just more established.

[~Hades~]

The epithio compound has way more backing than either of the other two. No hate on The One or Dymeth, but epi is just more established.

Hard to argue with this logic. Would use Havoc tho instead of e-stane. Just personal preference.

[Laduem88]

just to put my 2 cents in, use a SERM!

[FSUMuscle07]

just to put my 2 cents in, use a SERM!

Yah man, I would most def. go with a SERM. Chances are you'd be okay with OTC, but have some nolva or clomid on hand.

[Laduem88]

Yah man, I would most def. go with a SERM. Chances are you'd be okay with OTC, but have some nolva or clomid on hand.

i will seriously never understand it. let me break it down.

you have something that is basically guaranteed to work and is just as expensive if not cheaper than something that might or might not work. and people seem to still take the product the might or might not work....hmmm

[TheUnderdog]

i will seriously never understand it. let me break it down.

you have something that is basically guaranteed to work and is just as expensive if not cheaper than something that might or might not work. and people seem to still take the product the might or might not work....hmmm

it all has to do with legality issues and finding reputable sources...

[Laduem88]

it all has to do with legality issues and finding reputable sources...

BS if your worried about legal issues dont do ph's...and as far as finding them, just use google...if a person cant find it then chances are that person shouldent do it..simple as that

[mark118]

sorry guys, getting a SERM is not an option for me. My career would be at risk if i tried to get a SERM. its something Im not willing to risk.

Reversitol, many reports saying its well matched to Dymeth, 2nd Gear sold with The One as its PCT.

[~Hades~]

and as far as finding them, just use google...if a person cant find it then chances are that person shouldent do it..simple as that

I doubt googling serms is the problem. Maybe the trouble is finding a reputable company.

[mark118]

BS if your worried about legal issues dont do ph's...and as far as finding them, just use google...if a person cant find it then chances are that person shouldent do it..simple as that

legal issues... you can buy a PH easily off a UK website with no issues from customs. Buying a SERM however, can raise issues with Customs and/or MHRA which could potentially get me kicked out of uni.

Anyways, back on topic, any input guys as to the 3 listed?

[Laduem88]

sorry guys, getting a SERM is not an option for me. My career would be at risk if i tried to get a SERM. its something Im not willing to risk.

Reversitol, many reports saying its well matched to Dymeth, 2nd Gear sold with The One as its PCT.

to be honest, id hold off on the ph's and just gain naturally, you have aways to go and chances are your diet and training can be improved

[warbird00]

sorry guys, getting a SERM is not an option for me. My career would be at risk if i tried to get a SERM. its something Im not willing to risk.

Reversitol, many reports saying its well matched to Dymeth, 2nd Gear sold with The One as its PCT.

yes, many REPS say that.

I woudlnt run anything with an OTC PCT except maybe low dose bold. You would probably be ok with bold but i have seen some ppl not recover from bold with rev. and i personally not risk it

[Laduem88]

I doubt googling serms is the problem. Maybe the trouble is finding a reputable company.

like i said above if you cant find it, then chances are you arnt ready.

[Laduem88]

yes, many REPS say that.

I woudlnt run anything with an OTC PCT except maybe low dose bold. You would probably be ok with bold but i have seen some ppl not recover from bold with rev. and i personally not risk it

X2...if your going to do something do it right, esp when it comes to your hormones....

and i HATE when reps say use our BS OTC pct product but have a SERM on hand just incase...LOL if you have a SERM then use it!!!!

[kknecht1]

i will seriously never understand it. let me break it down.

you have something that is basically guaranteed to work and is just as expensive if not cheaper than something that might or might not work. and people seem to still take the product the might or might not work....hmmm

But you are not guaranteed that you are getting what you are paying for. (research chem)

[TheUnderdog]

I doubt googling serms is the problem. Maybe the trouble is finding a reputable company.

yeah google it and there are a plethora of companies....how do you know you have nolva and not aspirin? or liquid nolva....how do you know that isn't some herbal concotion?

fact of the matter is without a prescrip you cannot be sure what you are getting...

[mark118]

like i said above if you cant find it, then chances are you arnt ready.

please dont change the point of the thread. You dont know if im ready, and you cant judge it on whether im ready just by whether im willing to find a SERM. i cant find it because I dont want to look that hard to try and find something that could be busted.

back on topic....

there have been bloods done with people who have run the One and 2nd gear and they've come back ok... and with bioforge too im sure it would be ok

as for dymeth, many logs have shown reversitol and testobolan work effectively too

[TheUnderdog]

LOL if you have a SERM then use it!!!!

again you better be sure you actually have a SERM...

[Laduem88]

please dont change the point of the thread. You dont know if im ready, and you cant judge it on whether im ready just by whether im willing to find a SERM. i cant find it because I dont want to look that hard to try and find something that could be busted.

back on topic....

there have been bloods done with people who have run the One and 2nd gear and they've come back ok... and with bioforge too im sure it would be ok

as for dymeth, many logs have shown reversitol and testobolan work effectively too

i can tell your not ready by just looking at your picture...if you were 18 people would be flaming you but since your in your 20's its alright..i would seriously get your diet and training in check, get some good solid natural gains then do a bold or h-drol cycle...thats just me, but yea id go with either bold or h-drol to start off

[Laduem88]

yeah google it and there are a plethora of companies....how do you know you have nolva and not aspirin? or liquid nolva....how do you know that isn't some herbal concotion?

fact of the matter is without a prescrip you cannot be sure what you are getting...

lol same goes to the ph's.....

[mark118]

i can tell your not ready by just looking at your picture...if you were 18 people would be flaming you but since your in your 20's its alright..i would seriously get your diet and training in check, get some good solid natural gains then do a bold or h-drol cycle...thats just me, but yea id go with either bold or h-drol to start off

my picture was taken years ago. if anyone knows me... that picture has been there since i've joined.

you've based me not being ready on my unwillingness to illegaly find a SERM and on an outdated picture.

please, i appreciate your efforts but can we get back on topic.

[Laduem88]

my picture was taken years ago. if anyone knows me... that picture has been there since i've joined.

you've based me not being ready on my unwillingness to illegaly find a SERM and on an outdated picture.

please, i appreciate your efforts but can we get back on topic.

how was i suppose to know that...but like i said h-drol or bold...11 oxo is another great one

[TheUnderdog]

lol same goes to the ph's.....

can't argue there as some of these companies have proven they would taint them....but there is a big difference between AppNut, Iforce, and the like versus some shady website based in indonesia that is selling liquid nolva or piss in a bottle....

I agree if you have prescrip nolva on hand use it...

I hope you aren't pinning and trying to recover with research chems....

[Billton]

I would lean toward the Dymethazine. The Epistane seems like PCT is hit or miss(although most of the problems come when stacked with Tren). I would also consider stacking Dymethazine with Bold. Go with Bold/Dymeth for the first four weeks, and just Bold for the next four. This makes PCT not much worse(if not a little better than) than PCT for strait Dymethazine, because the Bold is not as harsh on the HPTA as Dymethazine and you'll have been off of Dymethazine for 4 weeks before you start PCT.

[mark118]

how was i suppose to know that...but like i said h-drol or bold...11 oxo is another great one

you weren't supposed to be judging in the 1st place. the topic of the thread was which of the 3 PHs would the members here recommend.

I've run Hdrol before and it was good... but I want to run something different. Bold is crazy expensive but interesting, might have a look later.

[snakeyb]

maybe you dont always need a serm the jury is out - but it is generally accepted it works while people argue about the otc pct. also you can get a complete pct for a fraction of the price

also you are very unlikely to be asked to leave uni for ordering one
in all the time you have read the boards have you heard of anyone getting in trouble for ordering a serm online without a prescription

search for generic tamoxifen brand names and you will find a decent source no problem

you are weighing the risk to your endocrine system against an almost non existant risk of being told you "are not allowed" to order serms on the internet

[Obnoxious123]

legal issues... you can buy a PH easily off a UK website with no issues from customs. Buying a SERM however, can raise issues with Customs and/or MHRA which could potentially get me kicked out of uni.

Anyways, back on topic, any input guys as to the 3 listed?

find a domestic supplier then

and if you REALLY believe that they are going to do anything to a guy who bought a very small amount of a compound used to lower estrogen, then what world are you in. they look for suppliers my man.

and i will never run an OTC PCT ever again if i run another cycle

[mark118]

maybe you dont always need a serm the jury is out - but it is generally accepted it works while people argue about the otc pct. also you can get a complete pct for a fraction of the price

also you are very unlikely to be asked to leave uni for ordering one
in all the time you have read the boards have you heard of anyone getting in trouble for ordering a serm online without a prescription

search for generic tamoxifen brand names and you will find a decent source no problem

you are weighing the risk to your endocrine system against an almost non existant risk of being told you "are not allowed" to order serms on the internet

i appreciat your input but for the last time, in the UK there are reports of people having to report to customs to sort out their import. And the MHRA can also step in to make things difficult.

Anyways, back on topic,

i have seen a lot of bloods done with bioforge included in the PCT and it showed great recovery

[Obnoxious123]

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i appreciat your input but for the last time, in the UK there are reports of people having to report to customs to sort out their import. And the MHRA can also step in to make things difficult.

Anyways, back on topic,

i have seen a lot of bloods done with bioforge included in the PCT and it showed great recovery

your in the UK? a large amount are in the UK so you should be fine man.

you can play with your health and ignore everyone trying to help you, but when you have no drive after your cycle you'll want a SERM bad IMHO