One more year of law school left

[u5711]

LL bean

[shoobey]

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[Achilles87]

Why not get a j.d/mba just because.

[shoobey]

Why not get a j.d/mba just because.

because having an MBA doesn't mean much unless it's from a top B school

[Bydded_Gryf]

LLB is a law undergrad degree in the UK

And to that person asking, an LLB is an LLB. Even if the course is geared towards one aspect of law, it won't prevent you from working in another area

[jehst]

did you borrow money to pay your tuition? how much debt do you have? are you worried about paying it back?

[shoobey]

did you borrow money to pay your tuition? how much debt do you have? are you worried about paying it back?

yea took out 60k in fedaral loans, and borrowed the other 60k from my parents @ the federal interest rate so I wouldn't have to borrow from private lenders and pay high interest. I'm not really worried, it;s gonna be around 150k or so, but I can pay it back over a really long time. Paying off the loans is my top priority though and I'm gonna live like a cheapass for a few years if I have to just to get the loans paid off.

[jacketfan]

how much studying do you do a week for law school? just curious.

ive heard the hardest part of law school is getting in

[shoobey]

how much studying do you do a week for law school? just curious.

ive heard the hardest part of law school is getting in

LSAT is wayyyyy worse then anything I've encountered in law school, but getting through the first year of law school is pretty bad and VERY BAD if you are at a school that fails people out.

I do most of my studying near the last month or so of school, but you gotta study like a maniac for law finals. It's not like college where 3-4 nights of studying for 2 hours or so each night prepares you for the final. You gotta put in like full days of studying for each subject, there is just so much crap to remember for each class. And once you memorize and understand all the laws, that's just the easy part because then you have to practice applying the law to facts and that is the hard part.

[jkeithc82]

how much studying do you do a week for law school? just curious.

ive heard the hardest part of law school is getting in

Are you interested in going to law school?

[jkeithc82]

LSAT is wayyyyy worse then anything I've encountered in law school,

Have you not taken Federal Taxation yet?

[panic91984]

LSAT is wayyyyy worse then anything I've encountered in law school.

really? if thats the case, good luck on the bar.

[jacketfan]

Are you interested in going to law school?

no, im already in grad school for something else. i have alot of friends that are starting law school tho. and my younger brother wants to go to law school as well. so i was just curious

[jacketfan]

really? if thats the case, good luck on the bar.

i read that 97% of the people who take the bar end up eventually passing it

im ont sure if thats true as im pretty sure ted kennedy failed that **** 5 times lol

[Buster McFats]

Is not making it into a Top 14-25 schools really as bad as people on the interwebs make it out to be?


edit: probably could have worded that sentence better, but I'm not going to change it.

[panic91984]

i read that 97% of the people who take the bar end up eventually passing it

im ont sure if thats true as im pretty sure ted kennedy failed that **** 5 times lol

that is definitely not true. it varies state to state as well obviously. many universities have a sub 80% pass rate alone.

[shoobey]

really? if thats the case, good luck on the bar.

LSAT was just a logic test with zero law. Law school finals are all just hypothetical fact descriptions where you have to spot and analyze all potential issues, which is the same format as the bar. If I do fine on law school finals why should I have any issue with the bar? I just suck at logic games and mind puzzles which is basically what the LSAT is, but luckily law school tests are nothing like the LSAT and you can actually study for them and improve your ability, unlike LSAT which you are kind of curbed by how good of a "puzzle solving" mindset you have.

[shoobey]

Is not making it into a Top 14-25 schools really as bad as people on the interwebs make it out to be?


edit: probably could have worded that sentence better, but I'm not going to change it.

if you want to work at a big firm than you probably won't be able to unless you are at a school in that range, or are at the top of your class. But I don't know if that is "bad" or not, just means you are probably not gonna work at a big firm unless you go to a top school or are top of your class.

Im hoping to get into a mid sized firm though, through networking.

[panic91984]

Is not making it into a Top 14-25 schools really as bad as people on the interwebs make it out to be?


edit: probably could have worded that sentence better, but I'm not going to change it.

it used to be if you make it into a t-14 you're golden, now you have to be top 20% in a class of a t-14 to be on that level. this was the first year harvard was unable to appoint internships for its top students. i would say if you don't make it into a tier 1, then don't go. many of my professors recommended this.

[shoobey]

it used to be if you make it into a t-14 you're golden, now you have to be top 20% in a class of a t-14 to be on that level. this was the first year harvard was unable to appoint internships for its top students. i would say if you don't make it into a tier 1, then don't go. many of my professors recommended this.

are you a law student/lawyer? I highly doubt that you need to be top 20% at a top 14 to get a big firm job, that sounds like an exaggeration. Maybe top 50%, but I don't really buy top 20%. And if it is in fact true, than it's due to the economy and hiring freeze, which is making every job much more competitive to get, but i doubt it is going to be like that forever, just ups and downs.

[hooked4life]

are you a law student/lawyer? I highly doubt that you need to be top 20% at a top 14 to get a big firm job, that sounds like an exaggeration. Maybe top 50%, but I don't really buy top 20%. And if it is in fact true, than it's due to the economy and hiring freeze, which is making every job much more competitive to get, but i doubt it is going to be like that forever, just ups and downs.

Yea, these stories of t-xxx school and % of class rank to get a job get worse and worse every time I hear them.

[panic91984]

LSAT was just a logic test with zero law. Law school finals are all just hypothetical fact descriptions where you have to spot and analyze all potential issues, which is the same format as the bar. If I do fine on law school finals why should I have any issue with the bar? I just suck at logic games and mind puzzles which is basically what the LSAT is, but luckily law school tests are nothing like the LSAT and you can actually study for them and improve your ability, unlike LSAT which you are kind of curbed by how good of a "puzzle solving" mindset you have.

it has been shown statistically through studies that the LSAT is viable predictor of law school grades and bar passage rate. it is the measuring standard, such that GPA can vary greatly from student to student. im not saying you will not have any success in law school, if you score was mediocre, but it definitely not in your favor (statistically).

[shoobey]

Yea, these stories of t-xxx school and % of class rank to get a job get worse and worse every time I hear them.

well now is tricky because of the economy. Last year we had about 100 firm come for on campus interview, this year there is ONE. Right now everyone is absolutely screwed because of the economy, but just because the economy is down right now, and it's ultra hard to find a decent attorney job at the moment, I don't think that means someone should look at the CURRENT job market when deciding whether or not to go to law school.

Law is a profession, you either wanna do it or not. I personally could not be doing anything other than this because everything bores me to death, but this doesn't. But I knew how hard it was getting a good legal job before I came here, and now it's exponentially worse then it was even before, because of the economy. But I'm not gonna change what profession I want to do FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE just because some hiccups in the economy right now.

[shoobey]

it has been shown statistically through studies that the LSAT is viable predictor of law school grades and bar passage rate. it is the measuring standard, such that GPA can vary greatly from student to student. im not saying you will not have any success in law school, if you score was mediocre, but it definitely not in your favor (statistically).

dude, I'm a 3L already, finished 2 years of school already. I've gotten A's in first year classes where they give like 15 total A's in a class of 130 people. I'm not top of the class but I've done super good in some classes (A's and B+'s) and not as good in others. But I had a pretty bad LSAT score and barely got into this school, but I see absolutely nothing related between what we do here, and the LSAT.

Here I have a final where I read a long hypo about various peices of evidence and statements, and then I had to analyze all the evidentiary issues. On the LSAT you have some stupid problem like "the cookoo bird can't be in the cage at the same time as the blackbird, but the blackbird needs to be in the cage with the cockatoo, and there are three cages, etc etc). What the heck does solving a stupid logic game have to do with legal analysis?

I also have friends that absolutely destroyed me on the LSAT here that really struggle with school, when I pretty much do fine. F the LSAT.

[panic91984]

are you a law student/lawyer? I highly doubt that you need to be top 20% at a top 14 to get a big firm job, that sounds like an exaggeration. Maybe top 50%, but I don't really buy top 20%. And if it is in fact true, than it's due to the economy and hiring freeze, which is making every job much more competitive to get, but i doubt it is going to be like that forever, just ups and downs.

i will be entering washington university in the fall. i have researched and spoken to professors since completing undergrad and its the reason that i took so long to decide. many (professional, professors etc.) agree that it is not what it used to be. the economy is one and over saturation is another big factor that will only get worse.

[shoobey]

i will be entering washington university in the fall. i have researched and spoken to professors since completing undergrad and its the reason that i took so long to decide. many (professional, professors etc.) agree that it is not what it used to be. the economy is one and over saturation is another big factor that will only get worse.

Do you actually want to live in Missouri though? Wash U is a good school, but I have heard that it wasn't as national as the other schools ranked around it. You sure you wouldn't have been better off going to a slightly lower ranked school in an area you'd actually want to reside in like BU or BC or something?

[hooked4life]

Yea, cause then you will have to practice in MO ... or at least that's your path of least resistance . Unless you want to live there - then I guess it's cool.

[panic91984]

dude, I'm a 3L already, finished 2 years of school already. I've gotten A's in first year classes where they give like 15 total A's in a class of 130 people. I'm not top of the class but I've done super good in some classes (A's and B+'s) and not as good in others. But I had a pretty bad LSAT score and barely got into this school, but I see absolutely nothing related between what we do here, and the LSAT.

Here I have a final where I read a long hypo about various peices of evidence and statements, and then I had to analyze all the evidentiary issues. On the LSAT you have some stupid problem like "the cookoo bird can't be in the cage at the same time as the blackbird, but the blackbird needs to be in the cage with the cockatoo, and there are three cages, etc etc). What the heck does solving a stupid logic game have to do with legal analysis?

I also have friends that absolutely destroyed me on the LSAT here that really struggle with school, when I pretty much do fine. F the LSAT.

uh, like i said there are anecdotes out there to the contrary, but nonetheless you're probably right and know better than LSAC and the admissions of every accredited law school around the nation. it's a way of thinking attuned to how you analyze, conceptualize and extrapolate what you learn in law school, even you should understand that.

[blasian]

litigation = going to court and being a stereotypical lawyer

transaction = doing contract work/ going over documents


But you really can't do anything else with a law degree other than a lawyer. It's like getting an M.D and then not being a doctor, all a J.D is the formality degree you need before you can start practicing law as an attorney. I guess you can be an agent with a J.D also, but that's still being a lawyer, you are basically just practicing agency law as an agent.

sports agent brah