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The Science of Hate/Fury/Vengence/Pain
explain it...
why do people hate?
I'm discussing, not arguing.
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08-06-2009, 05:51 AM
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because im filled with hate.
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08-06-2009, 05:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindead
because im filled with hate.
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am I?
is this a general statement or a personal one?
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08-06-2009, 06:56 AM
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From an evolutionary standpoint....
Hate could be beneficial/motivational for ensuring that your/your tribe's genes are passed on instead of mixing with other tribes....
Keeping other tribes away from your food supply...
Could also help in hunting and protection. It's much harder to kill animals/threats that you love.
Fury and vengeance kind of stem from hate, so no point addressing them individually.
And for (emotional) pain - helps us feel empathy for others (humans are social animals by necessity) and helps us avoid harmful situations.
just sayin'
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Potassium/Sodium
Love/Hate
Balance.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
explain it...
why do people hate?
I'm discussing, not arguing.
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I think hate is a byproduct of sin.............
example:
absence of God, produce all kind works of the flesh.
ex.
greed, produce, envy, produce, jealousy, sooooooooooooo...finally hate.
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08-06-2009, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by squanto
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negged for not posting jpg of FAR BEYOND DRIVEN also 
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Originally Posted by FIVE OAKES
From an evolutionary standpoint....
Hate could be beneficial/motivational for ensuring that your/your tribe's genes are passed on instead of mixing with other tribes....
Keeping other tribes away from your food supply...
Could also help in hunting and protection. It's much harder to kill animals/threats that you love.
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under the evolutionary example, how have things atrophied to where the instint to protect family, has made some actually hate who they were evolved to hate in order to protect. IE: fathers hating children, mothers also...
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Originally Posted by YARDGORILLA
Potassium/Sodium
Love/Hate
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k, you got a scale for that?
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Originally Posted by bird72
I think hate is a byproduct of sin.............
example:
absence of God, produce all kind works of the flesh.
ex.
greed, produce, envy, produce, jealousy, sooooooooooooo...finally hate.
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but God hates and God doesn't sin.
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08-06-2009, 07:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
but God hates and God doesn't sin.
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wutttttttttttttttttttttttt, who God hate?????????????????
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08-06-2009, 07:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bird72
I think hate is a byproduct of sin.............
example:
absence of God, produce all kind works of the flesh.
ex.
greed, produce, envy, produce, jealousy, sooooooooooooo...finally hate.
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really????
Hate is a byproduct of ignorance. We fear what we do not know, we learn to hate what we fear. Jealousy, Rage, and Pain all stem from hate.
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08-06-2009, 07:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bird72
wutttttttttttttttttttttttt, who God hate?????????????????
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Esau
also, sin
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08-06-2009, 07:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
under the evolutionary example, how have things atrophied to where the instint to protect family, has made some actually hate who they were evolved to hate in order to protect. IE: fathers hating children, mothers also...
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Just a biproduct. Evolution isn't always that specific.
Ie. we learned to hate without restrictions.
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08-06-2009, 07:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FIVE OAKES
Just a biproduct. Evolution isn't always that specific.
Ie. we learned to hate without restrictions.
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thank you for your thoughts
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08-06-2009, 07:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
thank you for your thoughts
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No prob. Evolution works in mysterious ways...
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08-06-2009, 08:03 AM
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k, you got a scale for that?
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Physiological and psychological cause and effect response mechanisms bro.
Science is the scale.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
Esau
also, sin
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chapter and verse...?
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08-06-2009, 08:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bird72
chapter and verse...?
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both in NIV
Malachi 1:3 - 3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
Roamns 9:10-16 - Not only that, but Rebekahs children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad?in order that God's purpose in election might stand 12not by works but by him who calls?she was told, "The older will serve the younger." Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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08-06-2009, 08:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
explain it...
why do people hate?
I'm discussing, not arguing.
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I though the same thing so I read:
Ended up bein an incredibly boring book.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
both in NIV
Malachi 1:3 - 3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
Roamns 9:10-16 - Not only that, but Rebekahs children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad?in order that God's purpose in election might stand 12not by works but by him who calls?she was told, "The older will serve the younger." Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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in the spanish version says, "aborreci" that's like hate but not the same, is like "you disgust me"
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08-06-2009, 08:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bird72
in the spanish version says, "aborreci" that's like hate but not the same, is like "you disgust me"
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I know that...but "you disgust me" is different from "you disgust me and I will now punish you and your family"
the pronouncing of earthly judgment (GOD in v3: I have turned his (Esau's) mountains into a wasteland and gave his inheritance to jackals) proves a mechanism of His partial angst had been triggered.
If that is how you characterize his earthly judgment, on judgment day will He be "really really disgusted?"
also, Greek to Spanish is a tough translation, as is Greek to English. so neither of us have a true representation of the intention of the word...our best deduction is done by seeing the consequence of God's next actions
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
I know that...but "you disgust me" is different from "you disgust me and I will now punish you and your family"
the pronouncing of earthly judgment (GOD in v3: I have turned his (Esau's) mountains into a wasteland and gave his inheritance to jackals) proves a mechanism of His partial angst had been triggered.
If that is how you characterize his earthly judgment, on judgment day will He be "really really disgusted?"
also, Greek to Spanish is a tough translation, as is Greek to English. so neither of us have a true representation of the intention of the word...our best deduction is done by seeing the consequence of God's next actions
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well consequence of sinning is death, and God love the sinner......
greek to spanish was more accurate than greek to english.
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08-06-2009, 09:23 AM
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God love the sinner......
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prove it
common grace that allows sinners to remain breathing is not love, it's grace. it will end.
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I tend to think that hate is more a result of a combination of xenophobia present in animals such as chimps and cultural divides that cause strife between groups of people.
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Quote:
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I tend to think that hate is more a result of a combination of xenophobia present in animals such as chimps and cultural divides that cause strife between groups of people.
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Darwin and international relations By Bradley A. Thayer
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because it's easy and convinient. What's that quote again..."it takes a few seconds to hate but a lifetime to love". Naturally not everyone has the patience to wait so long.
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Quote:
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because it's easy and convinient. What's that quote again..."it takes a few seconds to hate but a lifetime to love". Naturally not everyone has the patience to wait so long.
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but it's an extreme emotion. If it were that easy or convenient, would we not see more hate?
are those that hate more than others, really just "less patient"?
I'm not flaming, just asking your opinion.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ObedEdom
but it's an extreme emotion. If it were that easy or convenient, would we not see more hate?
are those that hate more than others, really just "less patient"?
I'm not flaming, just asking your opinion.
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We all have some levels of hate within us. It can be something as benign as hating particular bad habits (i.e. picking your nose, being late, or keeping your place dirty etc) all the way to particular malevolent forms of hatred(i.e. extreme racism, prejudice, sexism, discrimination etc).
I would say it depends on your personality, back ground, history, mental makeup, family up bringing, social interaction etc. If you don't have enough experience in dealing with challenging issues and finding solutions, you become parochial in your views, you tend to blame others for your own problems, and the resulting confusion and irritation results in increasing hatred, fear, jealousy etc. If anything, hatred becomes a defense mechanism - it turns on and magnifies its presence to protect you from mental, physical, emotional confusion and depression.
Anything that you don't understand or challenges your mental paradigm...if you can't figure it out or deal with it, you want to escape from it. But if escape is not possible, then you start hating it.
just my opinion.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shortfuze
We all have some levels of hate within us. It can be something as benign as hating particular bad habits (i.e. picking your nose, being late, or keeping your place dirty etc) all the way to particular malevolent forms of hatred(i.e. extreme racism, prejudice, sexism, discrimination etc).
I would say it depends on your personality, back ground, history, mental makeup, family up bringing, social interaction etc. If you don't have enough experience in dealing with challenging issues and finding solutions, you become parochial in your views, you tend to blame others for your own problems, and the resulting confusion and irritation results in increasing hatred, fear, jealousy etc. If anything, hatred becomes a defense mechanism - it turns on and magnifies its presence to protect you from mental, physical, emotional confusion and depression.
Anything that you don't understand or challenges your mental paradigm...if you can't figure it out or deal with it, you want to escape from it. But if escape is not possible, then you start hating it.
just my opinion.
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food for thought is what I desired upon starting this thread ^^^ this delivers, big time.
I agree with a large portion of what you wrote. thanks
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I though the same thing so I read:
Ended up bein an incredibly boring book. |
One of the fundamental ideas presented in this book is that anger is a "secondary emotion" used to mask a primary emotion. The author goes on to suggest that the primary emotion is often fear or uncertainty.
Any thoughts on this?
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Quote:
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prove it
common grace that allows sinners to remain breathing is not love, it's grace. it will end.
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ja ja, why the grace, because he loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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