Recommendations for little as possible size but big increase in strength and power?

[2KZ]

Alright there dudes, now I have been researching a while and whiles I want to delay any use of AAS til' I'm old/ older (over 25) I just wanted to get a rough idea on how best going about packing on strength and explosive with minimal size if any at all (nothing above 7lbs) outside of just lifting?

So far, after researching, it appears that the following chemicals are best suited for this:

- Stanozolol (minimal muscle hypertrophy/ gain, increased aggression and strength)
- Oral Turinabol (minimal muscle size gains, increased agression, allows strength increase even on low caloric diet)
- halotestin (hyper aggression)
- proviron (since DHT has a direct link to strength and agression, and of course this is 1-methylated DHT)
- Clenbuterol (since it helps stimulate the CNS and provides exogenous energy even on a low caloric diet among more benefits)
- ECA

Firstly, please correct me if I'm wrong but these are, from what I gather, the best compounds for achieving the goals I'm aiming for in the future?

Secondly, I have searched numerous websites and not found a suggested dosing or cycle for someone who isn't looking to body-build and just wants strength and power increase. SO anyone who has any idea of what kind of cycle would be suitable, help and advice would be appreciated

Peace and love

[lchris]

First off weight gain will be have more to due with your diet than it will the compounds you're taking UNLESS you're taking compounds that are known to aromatize at a high rate which causes a lot of water weight gain.

I terms of stimulants I've had an incredibly greater benefit from using eca vs. clen in terms of strength. An eca before a workout allows me to train like a beast, clen actually seems to make me fatigued which may be due to it's long hal-life effecting sleep.

In terms of AAS for strength without a lot of weight gain, IMO Test at a moderate dose 400-500mg/week along with an AI to reduce bloat. Keep sodium intake low and drink A LOT of water to reduce water retention as well.

I am just finishing a Deca/Test cycle where my weight on the scale hasn't increased much more than 7lbs, but my body compostion has changed dramatically. I've had huge strength gains throughout... Partially due to my recover from a hiop issue and with the gear I've went from a box squat 315lbx3 to 425lbx2. Deadlift previous PR was 385lbx2.. two days ago I hit 445lbx1.

[NearlyNatural]

Tren+halo. Eat maintenance cals and lift hard.

[jimi108]

Originally Posted by 2KZ

Alright there dudes, now I have been researching a while and whiles I want to delay any use of AAS til' I'm old/ older (over 25) I just wanted to get a rough idea on how best going about packing on strength and explosive with minimal size if any at all (nothing above 7lbs) outside of just lifting?

So far, after researching, it appears that the following chemicals are best suited for this:

- Stanozolol (minimal muscle hypertrophy/ gain, increased aggression and strength)
- Oral Turinabol (minimal muscle size gains, increased agression, allows strength increase even on low caloric diet)
- halotestin (hyper aggression)
- proviron (since DHT has a direct link to strength and agression, and of course this is 1-methylated DHT)
- Clenbuterol (since it helps stimulate the CNS and provides exogenous energy even on a low caloric diet among more benefits)
- ECA

Firstly, please correct me if I'm wrong but these are, from what I gather, the best compounds for achieving the goals I'm aiming for in the future?

Secondly, I have searched numerous websites and not found a suggested dosing or cycle for someone who isn't looking to body-build and just wants strength and power increase. SO anyone who has any idea of what kind of cycle would be suitable, help and advice would be appreciated

Peace and love

Im sorry man, but if you are looking to only gain 7 pounds, then I would honestly just eat more, train super heavy and let nature take its course.

Also I should add that your layout of drugs doesnt make much sense. You are trying to gain, but are taking ECA and Clen? Makes no sense....

Either you are trying to gain, or trying to lose... You cant do both...

[Drumed]

Test, tren and halo.
Probably have to eat BELOW maintenance

[A-rod]

Manteinance dose of test, var and halo.

[lchris]

Originally Posted by jimi108

Im sorry man, but if you are looking to only gain 7 pounds, then I would honestly just eat more, train super heavy and let nature take its course.

Also I should add that your layout of drugs doesnt make much sense. You are trying to gain, but are taking ECA and Clen? Makes no sense....

Either you are trying to gain, or trying to lose... You cant do both...

Don't take this the wrong way, but did you actually read that he's looking for strength and power MORE than size.

I know this is a bodybuilding website, but AAS have a lot more benefits than just muscle gain if someone wishes to increase there strength/power more than there size I don't neccesarily think we should just be telling him to go natural... IF he is ready for this route he will have much greater increases in strength/power than he would by just eating more. The same way someone that wants to get huge will gain A LOT more muscle by using. Obviously, the person needs to be ready for AAS regardless of what reason they have for taking them. I just feel like A LOT of people here think AAS are only to gain a lot of weight, when that's not the case at all.

[2KZ]

Originally Posted by lchris

First off weight gain will be have more to due with your diet than it will the compounds you're taking UNLESS you're taking compounds that are known to aromatize at a high rate which causes a lot of water weight gain.

I terms of stimulants I've had an incredibly greater benefit from using eca vs. clen in terms of strength. An eca before a workout allows me to train like a beast, clen actually seems to make me fatigued which may be due to it's long hal-life effecting sleep.

In terms of AAS for strength without a lot of weight gain, IMO Test at a moderate dose 400-500mg/week along with an AI to reduce bloat. Keep sodium intake low and drink A LOT of water to reduce water retention as well.

I am just finishing a Deca/Test cycle where my weight on the scale hasn't increased much more than 7lbs, but my body compostion has changed dramatically. I've had huge strength gains throughout... Partially due to my recover from a hiop issue and with the gear I've went from a box squat 315lbx3 to 425lbx2. Deadlift previous PR was 385lbx2.. two days ago I hit 445lbx1.

Originally Posted by Drumed

Test, tren and halo.
Probably have to eat BELOW maintenance

Originally Posted by A-rod

Manteinance dose of test, var and halo.

Okay, so it seems to be common agreement that test be included. Which makes things a little more pricey and means I'd have to inject. lol
And was looking up tren before but man oh man I've heard strange gyno reports...some seem to say it's progestin related and a SERM didn't help but I guess this can vary person to person...
Done a lot of reading up but either read conflicting or common info. But I trust what I read on bb.com so for now I'm thinking Halo, test and possibly anavar although it's pricey...one of my mates swears by winny but only problem is he doesn't do any explosive or power related sports. Winny according to most reviews and profiles seems to dry out joints o some degree which could be detrimental. So I guess I avoid? (although it's probably the most affordable for me atm )
And I hear you on the ECA. Btw Ichris, impressive strength gains!!

Originally Posted by lchris

Don't take this the wrong way, but did you actually read that he's looking for strength and power MORE than size.

I know this is a bodybuilding website, but AAS have a lot more benefits than just muscle gain if someone wishes to increase there strength/power more than there size I don't neccesarily think we should just be telling him to go natural... IF he is ready for this route he will have much greater increases in strength/power than he would by just eating more. The same way someone that wants to get huge will gain A LOT more muscle by using. Obviously, the person needs to be ready for AAS regardless of what reason they have for taking them. I just feel like A LOT of people here think AAS are only to gain a lot of weight, when that's not the case at all.

lol took the words right out of my mouth!