Scumbag NJ Police Chief Thomas Comey says pump action shotguns are "assault weapons"

[Anti_Illuminati]

See the video in the link to hear this Anti-constitutional, Anti-American dirtbag Police Chief make the absurd comment out of his own mouth.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loca...Chief_Guns_NRA


Jersey City Police Chief
Takes Aim at NRA

Updated: Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 8:24 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 8:24 PM EDT

ARUN KRISTIAN DAS
MYFOXNY.COM - Jersey City's top cop angrily denounced the influx of illegal guns onto the streets of the city and even took rhetorical aim at the National Rifle Association after an early-morning shootout left five cops wounded, two critically.

"We need help to stop these weapons from hitting the street," said Police Chief Thomas Comey. "This weapon is manufactured for nothing other than to hunt man."

Police Chief Thomas Comey was angry that a suspect who had a prior weapons conviction had no trouble obtaining the Mossberg pump-action tactical shotgun.

The suspect, Hassan Shakur, used the shotgun loaded with buckshot and slugs to shoot at Jersey City and Port Authority of New York and New Jersey cops.

Officers returned fire, killing Shakur and an apparent accomplice, Amanda Anderson.

At a news conference Thursday afternoon, Comey said he considers that type of shotgun an "assault weapon" that should be used by law enforcement and no one else. He said that authorities traced the gun's serial number and were reasonably certain that at some point the weapon was purchased legally in the South.

"We should stop being afraid of the NRA and start being afraid [for] our own rights," Comey said.

The NRA could not be reached for comment Thursday.

[KRANE]

No counterpoint? So far we have some pretty convincing evidence that they are....

[DubV]

NJ ftw

[all pro]

Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati

At a news conference Thursday afternoon, Comey said he considers that type of shotgun an "assault weapon" that should be used by law enforcement and no one else. He said that authorities traced the gun's serial number and were reasonably certain that at some point the weapon was purchased legally in the South.

It should be used by those that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 30 yards. Most police departments have been issuing M4s. The problem is that most policeman are terrible marksman. At 100 yards the M4 has a distinct advantage if the person using it knows what they're doing. This entire article is just more idiocy from the gun control Nazis.

edit;
The definition of an assault weapon is full auto and there is no such thing as a full auto pump action shot gun.

[Clives_Bicep]

lol NJ is a joke. Just wait till they get into a shootout with someone using a musket, then it'll be an assault weapon too. Pump shotguns are far from assault weapons.


"We should stop being afraid of the NRA and start being afraid [for] our own rights," Comey said.


oxymoron?

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by KRANE

No counterpoint? So far we have some pretty convincing evidence that they are....

If you believe a pump action shotgun is an "assault weapon", then you're working with a completely different definition than most other people.

Or, you're just using the term because it sounds really evil and scary, then obscuring it in a vague definition. Hell, you might as well declare any black-colored handgun an "assault weapon" based on that approach.

[KRANE]

Originally Posted by nutsy54

If you believe a pump action shotgun is an "assault weapon", then you're working with a completely different definition than most other people.

I have no feeling on the subject. Convincing me to agree with his view is the job of the OP. My point was he didn't do a good job of that.

[randomhero97]

Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati

See the video in the link to hear this Anti-constitutional, Anti-American dirtbag Police Chief make the absurd comment out of his own mouth.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loca...Chief_Guns_NRA


Jersey City Police Chief
Takes Aim at NRA

Updated: Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 8:24 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 8:24 PM EDT

ARUN KRISTIAN DAS
MYFOXNY.COM - Jersey City's top cop angrily denounced the influx of illegal guns onto the streets of the city and even took rhetorical aim at the National Rifle Association after an early-morning shootout left five cops wounded, two critically.

"We need help to stop these weapons from hitting the street," said Police Chief Thomas Comey. "This weapon is manufactured for nothing other than to hunt man."

Police Chief Thomas Comey was angry that a suspect who had a prior weapons conviction had no trouble obtaining the Mossberg pump-action tactical shotgun.

The suspect, Hassan Shakur, used the shotgun loaded with buckshot and slugs to shoot at Jersey City and Port Authority of New York and New Jersey cops.

Officers returned fire, killing Shakur and an apparent accomplice, Amanda Anderson.

At a news conference Thursday afternoon, Comey said he considers that type of shotgun an "assault weapon" that should be used by law enforcement and no one else. He said that authorities traced the gun's serial number and were reasonably certain that at some point the weapon was purchased legally in the South.

"We should stop being afraid of the NRA and start being afraid [for] our own rights," Comey said.

The NRA could not be reached for comment Thursday.

My question is why does the law enforcement need "assault weapons?" They are not the military, they shouldn't be taking an "assault" on anything. Local law enforcement are civilians just like the rest of us. If they want to play with "assault" weapons then they should join the military.

[MrGuitar]

Yeah lets blame the NRA even though his police force failed to do their jobs :/ Maybe if the Jersey City police were competent enought to enforce laws already on the books, these things wouldnt happen.

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by all pro

It should be used by those that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 30 yards. Most police departments have been issuing M4s. The problem is that most policeman are terrible marksman. At 100 yards the M4 has a distinct advantage if the person using it knows what they're doing. This entire article is just more idiocy from the gun control Nazis.

Shotguns are the most effective close combat weapons there has been for over 100 years, from the trenches of WW1, to the Jungles of SE Asia, to Iraq, they are still very much in use.. in fact one of the most feared weapons in Vietnam was first, Iowa class battle wagon sitting off shore, and shotguns.. the NVA, and VC would avoid them like the plague..

[Anti_Illuminati]

Originally Posted by KRANE

I have no feeling on the subject. Convincing me to agree with his view is the job of the OP. My point was he didn't do a good job of that.

Take a look at the 1st word in the thread title for one.

Secondly: "See the video in the link to hear this Anti-constitutional, Anti-American dirtbag Police Chief make the absurd comment out of his own mouth."

In other words: I totally disagree with the Police Chief. In fact, I don't consider any firearms whatsoever an "assault weapon". If I had full auto MP5 submachine guns, or even a full auto-shotgun like a Blackwater issued AA-12, it would not suddenly instill me to commit a crime and take someones life in a non-self defense related scenario. Any infringement into the right to bear arms has and is always exploited to move further toward complete disarmament over time.

"Here is the thing, if you are facing an unknown enemy in a barely understood environment and that enemy has serious firepower, YOU BACK THE EFF OFF and wait for support.

The cops got hopped up on adrenaline and rushed a shotgun armed, violently ready opponent in a urban dense area like an apartment building. Count their lucky stars the man had no grenades or a AK-47 or the body count would have been all of them.

Pump shotgun with the slide and trigger mechanism modified, not hard to do. It's called a trench gun.

They pushed an assault and paid the price."

The same thing is occurring in Switzerland:




By the way, many consider a pump action shotgun the best home defense weapon, it is widely agreed that it is. They are 100% attacking people's ability to defend their castle.

[Blindead]

The Germans tried to get the international community to ban pump-action shotguns due to them being so effective. I'm serious. Anyone doubting the efficacy of them is crazy.

[RedSoxfan1978]

Well the problem in today's world is the media. Lets face it. A GOLF CLUB can be termed an "assault weapon" if I should take my Calloway 9 Iron and wrap it around your head. You have been "assaulted" with a WEAPON at that point.


They are simply attempting to cull the guns and owners. The cry of ASSAULT WEAPON is absurd. Before you know it a standard 9mm pistol is an assault weapon. They do this so that they have reason to confiscate said weapons. The "police" and no one else can have them. Well thats called a "police state" to be sure.

A pump action shotgun is no more an "assault weapon" than a golf club is. They have been around for decades upon decades. The AW term is nothing more than a media soundbite. Before that came into vogue we had "cop killer bullets" meanwhile and pay attention here, no cop has EVER been killed or even shot with any kind of "special" pistol round that was made to defeat body armor. EVER. But the term is still out there today.

They KNOW gun owners dont stick together as they should. Skeet shooters dont back handgunners, who dont back "assault weapon" owners, who dont back the deer hunters etc. The problem is that to "them" ALL guns are the WRONG guns, if they come for the other guys AR15 today, then tomorrow YOUR bolt action 3 shot deer rifle is next and next month its the guys trap shotgun, then its the pistol in your desk. Before you know it you have NO guns like the poor guys in the UK.

Then everyone can revert to stabbing each other in massive numbers again, cause as everyone knows only guns and bullets kill people.

[all pro]

Originally Posted by Nagalfar

Shotguns are the most effective close combat weapons there has been for over 100 years, from the trenches of WW1, to the Jungles of SE Asia, to Iraq, they are still very much in use.. in fact one of the most feared weapons in Vietnam was first, Iowa class battle wagon sitting off shore, and shotguns.. the NVA, and VC would avoid them like the plague..

As you said "close" combat. They have a wide field of fire. We aren't talking about chasing the gooks through a maze of tunnels. An M16 at 100 yards would be my preferred method.

[VAPlowhorse]

Strange that in all their idiocy, they are targeting pump action shotguns instead of semi-automatic ones. An assault weapon is one that is inconvenient for the government when owned by citizens.

[Blindead]

Originally Posted by all pro

As you said "close" combat. They have a wide field of fire. We aren't talking about chasing the gooks through a maze of tunnels. An M16 at 100 yards would be my preferred method.

Can you at least try not to be racist?

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati

In other words: I totally disagree with the Police Chief. In fact, I don't consider any firearms whatsoever an "assault weapon". If I had full auto MP5 submachine guns, or even a full auto-shotgun like a Blackwater issued AA-12, it would not suddenly instill me to commit a crime and take someones life in a non-self defense related scenario. Any infringement into the right to bear arms has and is always exploited to move further toward complete disarmament over time.

For the record: I completely agree with this statement.

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by MrGuitar

Yeah lets blame the NRA even though his police force failed to do their jobs :/ Maybe if the Jersey City police were competent enought to enforce laws already on the books, these things wouldnt happen.

Actually, lets look at it in the professional aspects only.. if these officers were trained properly to handle this situation and used that training the would not be dead, and/or did not fall in the infamous "routine" that gets most dead LEO's, killed... he would not be standing there violating his Oath of office, stating that his officers should have superior firepower over that of the citizenry his officers were hired to "police and arrest law breakers", he clearly has no idea why the second amendment was created, again, another violation of his Oath of office..

Actually his officers are dead because of HIS poor training and HIS lack of requirements for the constant application of that training while on duty, rs.. around the world there are Police Depts. that have a great deal of unarmed officers, GB, Oz and others, those officers routinely deal with being out gunned, yet their rates of death are pretty low.. troops in the sandbox, when ambushed outside the wire are at times massively outgunned.. yet most of them survive, why? training, and adherence to training...

Fact, if a guy with a pump shot gun takes down 5 armed officers, it was those 5 officers who put themselves into a bad situation, QUALITY training, and adherence to training, then enforced by in house policy to constantly utilize that training probably would have saved them..

So, to hide from his lacking any effective training and field requirements for officers, he hides, and blames the gun, and not the ultimate reason those 5 men lost their lives.

[Uncle Bob]

I can say right off the bat that I don't care to be compared to some knuckle-dragging thug in Jersey City. I'm quite skilled at owning an AR15 and not going on a rampage. Apparently I should get a medal or something because according to this cop people can't even be trusted with a simple scattergun.

But on to the bigger question...why do criminals think they can win a fight against the police, whether it is a car chase or shootout? Do they laugh at the law, think they are more skilled than the cops, know that they can find a lawyer that can weasel them out on some technicallity? Maybe it's just simple adrenaline. But in any case, this police chief should figure out how to scare criminals into compliance instead of trying to disarm everyone.

[all pro]

Originally Posted by Seamless

Can you at least try not to be racist?

I called them a lot worse than that when they were shooting at us and killing my friends. So the answer to your question is no. NVC = gook.

[yankeemarko1]

Originally Posted by Nagalfar

Shotguns are the most effective close combat weapons there has been for over 100 years, from the trenches of WW1, to the Jungles of SE Asia, to Iraq, they are still very much in use.. in fact one of the most feared weapons in Vietnam was first, Iowa class battle wagon sitting off shore, and shotguns.. the NVA, and VC would avoid them like the plague..

You make a good point about a pump shotgun possibly being an assault weapon. In fact, in WWI, they were called trench sweepers and the Germans were so deathly afraid of them that they actually protested and tried to get them outlawed.

For the record, I don't believe it is an assault weapon. However, I am always willing to hear other's views.

[tnel00]

Originally Posted by Nagalfar

Actually, lets look at it in the professional aspects only.. if these officers were trained properly to handle this situation and used that training the would not be dead, and/or did not fall in the infamous "routine" that gets most dead LEO's, killed... he would not be standing there violating his Oath of office, stating that his officers should have superior firepower over that of the citizenry his officers were hired to "police and arrest law breakers", he clearly has no idea why the second amendment was created, again, another violation of his Oath of office..

Actually his officers are dead because of HIS poor training and HIS lack of requirements for the constant application of that training while on duty, rs.. around the world there are Police Depts. that have a great deal of unarmed officers, GB, Oz and others, those officers routinely deal with being out gunned, yet their rates of death are pretty low.. troops in the sandbox, when ambushed outside the wire are at times massively outgunned.. yet most of them survive, why? training, and adherence to training...

Fact, if a guy with a pump shot gun takes down 5 armed officers, it was those 5 officers who put themselves into a bad situation, QUALITY training, and adherence to training, then enforced by in house policy to constantly utilize that training probably would have saved them..

So, to hide from his lacking any effective training and field requirements for officers, he hides, and blames the gun, and not the ultimate reason those 5 men lost their lives.

agreed 100%

[potatoe]

Well hell, I sure wouldn't wanna defend myself with an INEFFECTIVE weapon. What a freaking brilliant man. So I guess his life is far more valuable than any mere civilian. In before you need a permit to buy kitchen utensiles.

[all pro]

Originally Posted by yankeemarko1

You make a good point about a pump shotgun possibly being an assault weapon. In fact, in WWI, they were called trench sweepers and the Germans were so deathly afraid of them that they actually protested and tried to get them outlawed.

For the record, I don't believe it is an assault weapon. However, I am always willing to hear other's views.

The 1934 assault weapons ban specifically identifies assault weapons as a weapon that is capable of fully automatic fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

[yankeemarko1]

Originally Posted by all pro

The 1934 assault weapons ban specifically identifies assault weapons as a weapon that is capable of fully automatic fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Actually, short barreled shotguns are included in that Act.

Also, the shotgun I was referencing in my previous post that was used in WWI did not have a trigger disconnect and was capable of slamfire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1897

[Blindead]

Originally Posted by all pro

I called them a lot worse than that when they were shooting at us and killing my friends. So the answer to your question is no. NVC = gook.

So it's okay to be racist because there's a political conflict with another people? Jeeze, I don't recall Clinton hopping on TV talking about those Somalian n*****s when the Battle of Mogadishu.

[Uncle Bob]

Thanks for the link. If I was a police chief in a place like Camden or Jersey City I'd be stressed out too, but you can't let your emotions try to dictate laws and rights. That's pretty much the basis of the anti-gun movement.

My uncle got 14-40 years for robbing a bank with a flare gun back in the 80s. He got out maybe 6 years ago and sure as hell won't do it again. Why are there not more sentences like that? Complaining about the justice system and prison in general is a whole topic in itself. But the point is, you can comit a felony with almost any weapon. In fact, I thought the .25 pistol was the most used crime weapon. And another thing that I seem to have to say over and over again...criminals break the law. You can ban whatever you won't but you cannot disinvent the gun. Banning shotguns would not stop criminals from using shotguns. That's not rocket science.

[Bulging_Biceps]

Originally Posted by nutsy54

For the record: I completely agree with this statement.

Good god, Hell has just completely frozen over.

[Stizzel]

The irony here is that a pump shotgun IS an 'assault' weapon. ALL weapons are use for assault by definition.

Knives are assault weapons to.

Its a retarded classification that makes no sense.

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by Bulging_Biceps

Good god, Hell has just completely frozen over.

As long as he keeps the global conspiracies out of it, we'll be fine