Question about contest guru's

[MantecaBB]

Quite a few IFBB Pros use contest "gurus" for their training and diets. Does anybody know if the pros also get coached with what type of gear they are using? Just curious.

[tonyt82]

Quite a few IFBB Pros use contest "gurus" for their training and diets. Does anybody know if the pros also get coached with what type of gear they are using? Just curious.

I would say a good few of them would get second opinions about what they take,

[Meathead.]

I would bet its trial and error over the yrs, most have been using for LONG time and once becoming pro thru great genetics, they have learned what works best for them for compound choice, others Im sure get advice through others in similar situation

[MrMetabolism]

im sure the gurus give just as much aas advice as they do diet and training

[Flex500]

Quite a few IFBB Pros use contest "gurus" for their training and diets. Does anybody know if the pros also get coached with what type of gear they are using? Just curious.

what do you think they guru's are really for?

It does vary I'll give you that but I paid big money for a high priced known guru and it was 75% steroid advice and about 25% diet

you have to understand some pro's are going to do whatever the fck they want on their diet and want help with the drugs, or will do their own drugs but only want diet help, or want help with it all.

But essentially a "guru" is someone who will do the diet, drugs, and just look at them to make sure they are coming in how they should.

[MantecaBB]

Thanks for the replies. I suppose every "guru" works differently depending on the pro they are working with. This has just given me a little different perspective on this area of bodybuilding. I'll now be trying to "read between the lines" when the pros talk about how so-and-so really helped with their training, prep, etc.

[Believe2Suceed]

If I had my Sarcev as my "guru" I'd definitely get a second opinion, silly fuk doesn't even know how to aspirate properly.

[jmany]

guru's would be mostly for drug help, diet is all straightforward IMO unless you REALLY have no idea how to do a contest diet, but in that scenario you would be no where close to being a ifbb pro.

drug regimines on other hand...shiiiiit so many different ways of doing it not even funny, and it works hand in hand with your diet.

[Pro Tom Prince]

How would you give diet advice without giving steroid/gear advice?

Excuse me for beating any of you in the face with the obvious shovel, but, "gear", and "diet", aren't mutually exclusive. You don't have "diet", as one seperate entity, and "gear" as another sperate entity, "training" as a third entity, "cardio" as another, "supplements" as a fifth entity, etc.

No.. because diet, gear, training, cardio, supplements, are all one. One entity, contained in YOUR body.

Therefore, OF COURSE anyone doing your contest prep, would be guiding you on all of the above.

BTW.. there's a huge difference between how you would diet naturally, and how you'd diet using gear. There's even a bigger difference if you're using GH with the gear. This should be obvious.

[Flex500]

guru's would be mostly for drug help, diet is all straightforward IMO unless you REALLY have no idea how to do a contest diet, but in that scenario you would be no where close to being a ifbb pro.

drug regimines on other hand...shiiiiit so many different ways of doing it not even funny, and it works hand in hand with your diet.

actually I get little drug advice from the "guru" I use than many other pro's use. I really just use him for diet advice adn general gear advice, very very general though.

[morderstwo]

If I had my Sarcev as my "guru" I'd definitely get a second opinion, silly fuk doesn't even know how to aspirate properly.

milos has done ok since he learnd his own hard lessons. but i thought he hit a nerve with the syringe?

drug regimines on other hand...shiiiiit so many different ways of doing it not even funny, and it works hand in hand with your diet.

yeh, with gh/insulin's impact on glycogen, manipulating carbs would be very complex. There would be very fine lines in coming in full/hard & spilling over. And then electrolyte balance on top of things in the last few days...
you can imagine managing keto diets like palumbos would be very different than diets that involve carbs

[willldabeast]

How would you give diet advice without giving steroid/gear advice?

Excuse me for beating any of you in the face with the obvious shovel, but, "gear", and "diet", aren't mutually exclusive. You don't have "diet", as one seperate entity, and "gear" as another sperate entity, "training" as a third entity, "cardio" as another, "supplements" as a fifth entity, etc.

No.. because diet, gear, training, cardio, supplements, are all one. One entity, contained in YOUR body.

Therefore, OF COURSE anyone doing your contest prep, would be guiding you on all of the above.

BTW.. there's a huge difference between how you would diet naturally, and how you'd diet using gear. There's even a bigger difference if you're using GH with the gear. This should be obvious.

Great Post Tom, it really is all related.

[siersy]

Great Post Tom, it really is all related.

wrong... it was a good post... a great post would have been spilling the beans that all the gurus told him :P

[morderstwo]

wrong... it was a good post... a great post would have been spilling the beans that all the gurus told him :P

For who? there are too many variables. some guys respond better to more of 1 substance, less of another ..etc all this would be taken into account to tailor a diet to suit.

[Jamps]

For who? there are too many variables. some guys respond better to more of 1 substance, less of another ..etc all this would be taken into account to tailor a diet to suit.

nope i agree w/ siersy...i was hoping he'd tease us w/ a general example

[siersy]

nope i agree w/ siersy...i was hoping he'd tease us w/ a general example

tom has been pretty cool and helpful sharing his 2001 NOC AAS contest prep ( which i believe to be his best showing ) can be found in the AAS section...

but i want MOAR lol...

would be cool to see how much the "conservative" guys take all the way up to the juice monkeys.

[zrage]

seriously, i know the right thing would be to give an explenation but its kinda retarted to think a contest guru woudnt speak about gear to the contestant... like do u talk about gear with ur gym buddys? im sure u do.. **** like
"niga wait till i get on that test"

[SmarterChild]

what do you think they guru's are really for?

It does vary I'll give you that but I paid big money for a high priced known guru and it was 75% steroid advice and about 25% diet

you have to understand some pro's are going to do whatever the fck they want on their diet and want help with the drugs, or will do their own drugs but only want diet help, or want help with it all.

But essentially a "guru" is someone who will do the diet, drugs, and just look at them to make sure they are coming in how they should.

Exactly how much is "big money"? And do you just meet with them once a week and go over how things are progressing? I remember reading on palumbos site that you could be trained by phone, email or in person but each one cost more. And does having a guru really make that big of a difference?

[Flex500]

Exactly how much is "big money"? And do you just meet with them once a week and go over how things are progressing? I remember reading on palumbos site that you could be trained by phone, email or in person but each one cost more. And does having a guru really make that big of a difference?

Personally I've gone back to using someone local a good competitor who is older and knows me well but not a "famous" guru.

I could actually give you two horror stories. Both are national compeitors that paid over $1,000 to their guru for some bs cookie cutter diet he was giving everyone else. The prep was terrible and the guru paid know attention to them.

The problem is the big name guys like farah, palumbo, nichols, aceto, etc. etc. are going to charge you and arm and a leg and they aren't going to spend their time with some average NPC competitor.

As far as personalized care most say George Farah is one of the best. A buddy of mine uses him and he is very happy and says farah was very fair with the prices.

[SmarterChild]

Personally I've gone back to using someone local a good competitor who is older and knows me well but not a "famous" guru.

I could actually give you two horror stories. Both are national compeitors that paid over $1,000 to their guru for some bs cookie cutter diet he was giving everyone else. The prep was terrible and the guru paid know attention to them.

The problem is the big name guys like farah, palumbo, nichols, aceto, etc. etc. are going to charge you and arm and a leg and they aren't going to spend their time with some average NPC competitor.

As far as personalized care most say George Farah is one of the best. A buddy of mine uses him and he is very happy and says farah was very fair with the prices.

did you see a big difference when you started using one?