Are we expecting too much from Obama?

SycG · 07-09-2009, 07:54 AM

I don't want to debate whether or not Obama is a good president or not. I would like to know if you think we are expecting too much from Obama? I feel like Americans expected him to step in office and then save the world in one year. Or did he set the bar too high for himself?

WTSS · 07-09-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SycG

he set the bar too high for himself

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oleg1227 · 07-09-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SycG

I don't want to debate whether or not Obama is a good president or not. I would like to know if you think we are expecting too much from Obama? I feel like Americans expected him to step in office and then save the world in one year. Or did he set the bar too high for himself?

Everyone set the bar high for him and expect everything to get fixed in a day. Every time he goes to take a **** a thread comes up about it in the R/P forums

WTSS · 07-09-2009, 07:58 AM

I think what really went wrong is people in America decided that we didnt need to expect anything from our past presidents

jimbob007 · 07-09-2009, 08:05 AM

Yes when you promote yourself as the second coming & a guy who can do anything, then you are setting yourself up for a big fall.

FIVE OAKES · 07-09-2009, 08:08 AM

Who's we?

All I "expected" of him was to not fu.k things up more than they already were.....that's a pretty low bar, and he's still not making it.

Steak_n_Taters · 07-09-2009, 08:11 AM

I just expect him to do what he promised.

So far he has failed at that.

hwpnow · 07-09-2009, 08:14 AM

No, most people in the R&P didn't like Obama to begin with. Their criticism began during the election and has been non stop since then no matter what he does.

Truth is, Obama's foreign policy is going pretty good. I think most rational people would be please that we don't have McCain and Palin in office, especially since Palin's recent erratic behavior and McCain's insistence on taking on Iran.

Truth is, we already knew we were in a recession and it was really bad before Obama got elected. And Obama has consistently said things would get worse before they got better. He also predicted more criticism and scrutiny, and said in his election speech back in Nov. that there would be false starts and set backs, and it might take years.

The guy is mature enough to realize that this isn't a fairy land and his isn't a magic Genie. It was only his GOP critics who called him:
the "magic negro"
the "chosen one"
the second coming
the anti christ
etc.

YARDGORILLA · 07-09-2009, 08:15 AM

culpable=media

media=political correctness + liberal mindset

ie: Unconstitutional Nuclear Arms Treaty vs. Michael Jacson coverage

Thinman · 07-09-2009, 08:21 AM

I think Obama is trying to do too much too soon. While energy and health care are important issues, I think we need to get the economy back on track before we leap into more costly programs.

haulingboat · 07-09-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FIVE OAKES

All I "expected" of him was to not fu.k things up more than they already were.....that's a pretty low bar, and he's still not making it.

Obama's poll numbers are falling because he is making decisions people do not agree with.

No one (with any smarts) expects the guy to fix everything overnight or in a year. People are upset because they believe his policies won't work and so far the evidence supports their perceptions.

Obama ran on a promise of change. After winning office he picked up right where Bush left off and mashed the throttle to full speed. The only change we have seen is the acceleration of Bush policy.

stasgolbom · 07-09-2009, 08:25 AM

considering who the last president was im surprised people think obama isnt doing anything, if he wakes up in the morning and lets a nasty fart rip, then he already did more then bush.

Pay_Me · 07-09-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SycG

Or did he set the bar too high for himself?

Unemployment won't exceed 8.5% if we pass my Stimulus package.

tebriel · 07-09-2009, 08:42 AM

People are def expecting too much. He doesn't write the laws, that's up to congress. He can only set a general policy direction and hope that the rest of the country goes along with it. People would be just as hypocritical if it were Hillary that was in there. The fact that he's black and has an un-white name makes the nutters go crazy.

karas · 07-09-2009, 08:55 AM

Yes, people do expect too much, for one administration to come in and correct decades of financial irresponsibilty and corrupt politics is irrational at best.

mrbeverage · 07-09-2009, 09:05 AM

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Yes, people do expect too much, for one administration to come in and correct decades of financial irresponsibilty and corrupt politics is irrational at best.

how do you correct financial irresponsibility with a shi+ load of more financial irresponsibility? you make it sound like running towards a cliff is safer than walking towards it.

tebriel · 07-09-2009, 09:28 AM

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how do you correct financial irresponsibility with a shi+ load of more financial irresponsibility? you make it sound like running towards a cliff is better than walking towards it.

the answer is actually kind of easy, they're not trying to fix it, they're trying to bring it back to status quo. besides the fact that all of the government has special interests, the reality is that destroying our corrupt financial system would throw the world into chaos.

ElMariachi · 07-09-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stasgolbom

considering who the last president was im surprised people think obama isnt doing anything, if he wakes up in the morning and lets a nasty fart rip, then he already did more then bush.

Considering that Obama is following many of Bush's same policies, I don't get the point you are trying to make here. Obama is much like Bush, but a potentially far bigger screw-up as president with the sheer amount of money he is wasting. He's basically managed to quadruple our future deficit in less than 6 months in office.

One More Time · 07-09-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

No, most people in the R&P didn't like Obama to begin with. Their criticism began during the election and has been non stop since then no matter what he does.

Truth is, Obama's foreign policy is going pretty good. I think most rational people would be please that we don't have McCain and Palin in office, especially since Palin's recent erratic behavior and McCain's insistence on taking on Iran.

Truth is, we already knew we were in a recession and it was really bad before Obama got elected. And Obama has consistently said things would get worse before they got better. He also predicted more criticism and scrutiny, and said in his election speech back in Nov. that there would be false starts and set backs, and it might take years.

The guy is mature enough to realize that this isn't a fairy land and his isn't a magic Genie. It was only his GOP critics who called him:
the "magic negro"
the "chosen one"
the second coming
the anti christ
etc.

He is the one that was...HOPE & CHANGE. Same bs if you ask me. Oh and how does his foreign policy differ from that of Bush? Troops are still there....he just condemns the same stuff too (srs)

mrbeverage · 07-09-2009, 09:38 AM

tebriel · 07-09-2009, 09:40 AM

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He is the one that was...HOPE & CHANGE. Same bs if you ask me. Oh and how does his foreign policy differ from that of Bush? Troops are still there....he just condemns the same stuff too (srs)

he provided a timeline for the troops to be withdrawn from iraq, but i don't remember what it was? I don't think it was 5 months though. Whoever got the impression that he was a pacifist is sorely mistaken.

caj · 07-09-2009, 10:34 AM

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Considering that Obama is following many of Bush's same policies, I don't get the point you are trying to make here.

THIS ^^^^^

Every time Obama blames Bush for problems inherited, he should also have to give credit to Bush for policies and strategies he's still utilizing.

IdahoViking · 07-09-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tebriel

he provided a timeline for the troops to be withdrawn from iraq, but i don't remember what it was? I don't think it was 5 months though. Whoever got the impression that he was a pacifist is sorely mistaken.

...and if memory serves me correctly, his timeline for troop drawdown isn't really that much different than Bush's was.

YARDGORILLA · 07-09-2009, 10:41 AM

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

guest89 · 07-09-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SycG

I don't want to debate whether or not Obama is a good president or not. I would like to know if you think we are expecting too much from Obama? I feel like Americans expected him to step in office and then save the world in one year. Or did he set the bar too high for himself?

Let me counter with a simply question. Do you believe that expecting a man to tell the truth/abide by his word is expecting too much?

Obama promised "Change" and a lot of big ****, he hasn't delivered on most of it. Whether or not his promises are attainable are not is irrelevant. If I promise I can do something and it's next to impossible, can I come up with BS excuses on why I can't do it? Would you just say "Oh, I can't expect too much from him."

Hell no, you'd call me out for being a liar and a failure, and probably wouldn't put too much trust in my word again.

So to answer your question no, I don't think people are expecting too much from Obama, people only expect to have been told the truth.

Simple fact is Obama either made a huge calculation mistake, or he ran his mouth off promising things without even being educated about the subjects he made promises on. He's either a liar or a failure (or some people might say both).

IdahoViking · 07-09-2009, 10:47 AM

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Let me counter with a simply question. Do you believe that expecting a man to tell the truth/abide by his word is expecting too much?

Obama promised "Change" and a lot of big ****, he hasn't delivered on most of it. Whether or not his promises are attainable are not is irrelevant. If I promise I can do something and it's next to impossible, can I come up with BS excuses on why I can't do it? Would you just say "Oh, I can't expect too much from him."

Hell no, you'd call me out for being a liar and a failure, and probably wouldn't put too much trust in my word again.

So to answer your question no, I don't think people are expecting too much from Obama, people only expect to have been told the truth.

I was no fan of Carter (though I voted for him), but atleast he aknowledged why he couldn't fulfill campaign promises and gave reasons not excuses

AJbuilder · 07-09-2009, 10:49 AM

Ever heard the fable tail of the goose and the golden egg? He focused too much on stimulus and quick fixes (golden eggs) that he killed the goose ( 20+ trillion debt by 2016) in favor of nurturing it.

Anyway, he'll have to take responsibility as a head of state. It's called moral leadership.

nutsy54 · 07-09-2009, 11:04 AM

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People are def expecting too much. He doesn't write the laws, that's up to congress.

That's a nice fantasy world you're living in. But at least now we've gone from Blaming Bush to Blaming Congress - for writing and passing the laws that President Obama specifically requests, helps to draft, and campaigns/lobbies/coerces endlessly to get passed.

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The fact that he's black and has an un-white name makes the nutters go crazy.

But, at least you're still using the tired and moronic [i]Racists![/u] accusations. Nobody could possibly be against his policies of endless debt, expanding government, and continued war in Iraq - so they just must be racist! rolleyes:

He made many promises that turned out to be lies.
He's railroaded his agenda through Congress, usually without even a chance to read it before a vote.
Everything is a "crisis", that must be acted on immediately - and it's always someone else's fault.

nutsy54 · 07-09-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tebriel

he provided a timeline for the troops to be withdrawn from iraq, but i don't remember what it was? I don't think it was 5 months though. Whoever got the impression that he was a pacifist is sorely mistaken.

How can you not remember the promise that was endlessly repeated for over a year?

Begin immediate withdrawal upon taking office, with all troops out in 16 months.
Oops, then it changed to all "combat" troops out.
Then we learned the remaining "residual" force would be 50,000 - 1/3 the original levels.
Then we look and see that, five months after beginning an immediate withdrawal... NO troop levels have changed in Iraq.

And today? The timeline and milestones for withdrawal are exactly as originally planned and negotiated by the Bush administration.

So, did he: (a) Promise something he knew was impossible (also called a Lie), or
(b) Have no idea what he was talking about, and simply used the lives of our Soldiers as pawns to get himself elected...?

I don't think it's "expecting too much" to hold the man to one of the primary campaign promises he made.

tebriel · 07-09-2009, 11:14 AM

shall we go over the campaign promises of Bush 1, clinton, bush 2 then? They all lie, you guys are naive if you actually believe that bull****. And in these circumstances, you think Mccain would be doing anything any different? if anything, he knows even less about the economy and would be screwing it up even more.