Dropping upright rows.

Justin Buchana · 07-08-2009, 12:09 PM

I was doing wide grip, but I really feel that they aren't really doing me any good. I constantly have a hard time getting a mind muscle connection with them, and I think doing a few more sets of heavy shrugs, lateral raises, and Arnold press will be better. I have a slight shoulder impingement, and I have heard that up right rows could be the cause of this.

Any opinions on if anyone thinks they are vital, or you think it is a good decision to stick to doing what I feel is working good already in favor of shoulder health.

Mad_Dog_Divine · 07-08-2009, 12:13 PM

They are certainly not vital. If you do have shoulder impingement then I would drop them. Some people swear by them and can do them without pain but I don't think it's worth the risk. Arnold presses can also cause problems for some people.

For shoulders I like Push presses, clean and press, military press and lateral raises.

rushki · 07-08-2009, 12:15 PM

im sure you do it with a regular barbell?

try doing it with an e-z curl bar, completely different world, easy on the wrists/grip, and you can really hit your delts/traps

i really like going heavy, but as you said, it's one wrong move, and BAM your shoulder is busted, that little impingement will sabotage all your other lifts.

PuffinMyLye · 07-08-2009, 01:03 PM

If you are doing them with a wide grip they should only be hitting your delts, no trap involvement at all.

Vigor · 07-08-2009, 01:19 PM

Based on your age and likely experience, I would say swap them out if they aren't working well for you.

SquatTilYouDrop · 07-08-2009, 02:25 PM

OP, I think you already know the answer to your own question.

DJAuto · 07-08-2009, 04:47 PM

I stopped using the movement once RC aggravation initiated.

It's certainly not integral.

AFXC1 · 07-08-2009, 04:53 PM

As Valentino once said, "If it doesn't work for you, then don't do it"

Different strokes for different folks.

Hayeder · 07-08-2009, 05:06 PM

how do you know you are having impingement problems? what does it feel like?

Just so I know what to look out for if they come my way

ItalynStalyn · 07-08-2009, 05:16 PM

As already mentioned try doing them with an EZ Curl bar...much less strain. I used to do them with a narrow grip but now use a shoulder-width grip to target more of my lateral and front delts

s1mon · 07-08-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushki

try doing it with an e-z curl bar, completely different world, easy on the wrists/grip, and you can really hit your delts/traps

^ this

Justin Buchana · 07-08-2009, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayeder

how do you know you are having impingement problems? what does it feel like?

Just so I know what to look out for if they come my way

I can feel it when I would push my shoulders down and forward flexing the traps in a most muscular style pose I could feel it tight right behind the clavical sorta between front delt, and pec. From what I have gathered it is the AC joint. It never hurts during exercise just dull pain and stiffness when I make the movement mentioned. I really don't know what brought it on, but I am slowly trying to cut out all of what could be causing it out of my routine, as well as adding what could fix it.

Doing more pull then push in case of a imbalance, rotator cuff work, daily static stretches, broom stick stretches, soft tissue work, and taking out lifts that could possibly add to the problem even if they are not the cause of it.

One thing that was, and is odd to me is my scapula's have always flared out far when flexing my traps, which I though was winged scapula. Now the one that with the ac joint that hurts a bit the scapula doesn't flair out as much all the time, sometimes I have to look in the mirror and consciously make it match the other one, which is sticking out more.

It isn't really bad, I just don't want to it get really bad.

pFuzzz · 07-08-2009, 11:28 PM

If you don't think they're doing you any good, drop them, maybe add some incline shrugs and press variations instead.

How high are you pulling? Seems like I read someplace that pulling higher than nipple level is what causes the shoulder impingement.

I do mine with a narrow grip and only to nipple level and they don't give me any problems. I have tendonitis in my left shoulder, and doing it this way doesn't aggravate them at all.