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    If you kill someone in a fight with no weapons for self defense is it murder?

    For example i know how to easily flip someone if they charge at me and stomp on their ribs so they can easily break and puncture his lung. Would i be in trouble from the law if it was done for self defense.
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    you will need a lawyer to define "self defense" for you sir
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    Depends.

    If it is on your property, specifically inside your house, then depending what state it's in you're probably good to go.

    But if you use lethal force outside of your home, even on your property but they didn't take the extra step of breaking in, and they're not armed in any way or you have reason to believe they want to kill you.... you're gonna have some problems.
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    Originally Posted by Nipplez View Post
    you will need a lawyer to define "self defense" for you sir
    What if instead i rip his shoulder out of his socket or tear his knee apart?
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    What if instead i rip his shoulder out of his socket or tear his knee apart?
    Sounds fair to me
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    If you carry on attacking someone after they can't fight back anymore and they die, you are a murderer, whatever the circumstances.

    I believe you should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want to get them to the point of not being able to fight back though
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    What if instead i rip his shoulder out of his socket or tear his knee apart?
    You're setting yourself up for a lawsuit.
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    Originally Posted by Auser View Post
    If you carry on attacking someone after they can't fight back anymore and they die, you are a murderer, whatever the circumstances.

    I believe you should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want to get them to the point of not being able to fight back though
    No that's not what i mean. I can easily counter someone's attack and destroy them in 2-3 easy blows.
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    lol op you live in New York City, you have no right to self-defense better lawyer up.


    btw when studying the laws before getting my ccw I actually found out It's more difficult to justify killing in self-defense with your bare hands or a knife, that it is If you defend yourself with a gun.

    go figure.
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    you realize if you ever do kill someone they will find this thread cache right? lulz
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    No that's not what i mean. I can easily counter someone's attack and destroy them in 2-3 easy blows.
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    Originally Posted by css4lyfe View Post
    you realize if you ever do kill someone they will find this thread cache right? lulz
    Irony at its finest.
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    Originally Posted by rockyl686 View Post
    lol op you live in New York City, you have no right to self-defense better lawyer up.


    btw when studying the laws before getting my ccw I actually found out It's more difficult to justify killing in self-defense with your bare hands or a knife, that it is If you defend yourself with a gun.

    go figure.
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    No that's not what i mean. I can easily counter someone's attack and destroy them in 2-3 easy blows.
    ok rambo............lol jk
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    I fawking hate this place. You would probably get in trouble somehow if someone robbed your house and they cut their finger on glass or something.
    one guy was breaking into a house and fell through a glass ceiling...he sued the owner for breaking his leg.
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    Originally Posted by css4lyfe View Post
    you realize if you ever do kill someone they will find this thread cache right? lulz
    You killing people brah?

    I only made this topic out of curiosity.
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    What if instead i rip his shoulder out of his socket or tear his knee apart?
    I'd rather run the risk of an assault charge than a murder charge.

    Then again, if it's in your own home because of someone breaking in, you're going to have more options (and dead men tell no tales).

    When in doubt, don't kill him. You can render him unconscious, or otherwise unable to fight without killing him. Just make sure you have some witnesses so it's not your word against his. And if you do knock him out, don't just leave, because if something happens to him after that (someone else kills him, or he wakes up and trips and breaks his own neck), *you* will have still left evidence of your presence there in some way shape or form. Also, NEVER talk to the police without your lawyer's okay. If it were me, I'd be on the phone to my lawyer immediately. Cops like things simple, even when they're not, and generally these aren't guys who put a lot of effort into "investigating", as contrary to common belief as that seems. They can and will use and twist whatever you say to incriminate you in some way. Always always always remain silent and get lawyered up.
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    If you believed your life was at risk, and you kill them, yes its self defence.
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    Originally Posted by rockyl686 View Post
    ok rambo............lol jk
    Na it's pretty easy actually. It's from doing martial arts / kung fu for a long time.
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    I fawking hate this place. You would probably get in trouble somehow if someone robbed your house and they cut their finger on glass or something.
    my advice is to move to one of the free State's as soon as possible, remember.

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    It could turn into either Manslaughter or self defense. But I guess it would depend how much force is used. If more than the amount necessary than probably Manslaughter
    as your intent wasn't to kill him but to defend yourself however, went a little too overboard. But if he/she was armed with the intend to hurt/kill you then who knows.

    I guess can go either way.
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    Originally Posted by SpiderJerusalem View Post
    I'd rather run the risk of an assault charge than a murder charge.

    Then again, if it's in your own home because of someone breaking in, you're going to have more options (and dead men tell no tales).

    When in doubt, don't kill him. You can render him unconscious, or otherwise unable to fight without killing him. Just make sure you have some witnesses so it's not your word against his. And if you do knock him out, don't just leave, because if something happens to him after that (someone else kills him, or he wakes up and trips and breaks his own neck), *you* will have still left evidence of your presence there in some way shape or form. Also, NEVER talk to the police without your lawyer's okay. If it were me, I'd be on the phone to my lawyer immediately. Cops like things simple, even when they're not, and generally these aren't guys who put a lot of effort into "investigating", as contrary to common belief as that seems. They can and will use and twist whatever you say to incriminate you in some way. Always always always remain silent and get lawyered up.
    Wut?

    If someone breaks into your house, and you are going to fight, you ALWAYS kill them. Make 100% certain they are dead. Dead men tell no tales, and do not show up at trial to testify against you. ****, even the police tell you to always make sure you kill intruders if you're going to do anything.
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    Originally Posted by SpiderJerusalem View Post
    I'd rather run the risk of an assault charge than a murder charge.

    Then again, if it's in your own home because of someone breaking in, you're going to have more options (and dead men tell no tales).

    When in doubt, don't kill him. You can render him unconscious, or otherwise unable to fight without killing him. Just make sure you have some witnesses so it's not your word against his. And if you do knock him out, don't just leave, because if something happens to him after that (someone else kills him, or he wakes up and trips and breaks his own neck), *you* will have still left evidence of your presence there in some way shape or form. Also, NEVER talk to the police without your lawyer's okay. If it were me, I'd be on the phone to my lawyer immediately. Cops like things simple, even when they're not, and generally these aren't guys who put a lot of effort into "investigating", as contrary to common belief as that seems. They can and will use and twist whatever you say to incriminate you in some way. Always always always remain silent and get lawyered up.
    Yea, but that's not what i mean. This is just an example, a person can charge at me so i will flip them holding their arm. I twist the arm making him turn on his side and kick him the hardest i can in the ribs. One shot and he's most likely dead (not instantly). The ribs will crack and puncture his lungs.
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    Originally Posted by rockyl686 View Post
    lol op you live in New York City, you have no right to self-defense better lawyer up.


    btw when studying the laws before getting my ccw I actually found out It's more difficult to justify killing in self-defense with your bare hands or a knife, that it is If you defend yourself with a gun.

    go figure.
    thats b/c it takes more to kill some1 with a knife/hands usually then a gun...so say well he was coming at me with a weapon or w/e and i fired 1 shot, he died...oh well

    but if u kill him with a knife/fists it usually takes multiple blows
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    Originally Posted by css4lyfe View Post
    you realize if you ever do kill someone they will find this thread cache right? lulz
    strong logic lol
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    If the person doesn't have any deadly weapons, and you have specialized training in self-defense, and your life is not actually in danger and you kill them, yes, you will be screwed.
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    Originally Posted by SomeRandomName View Post
    Wut?

    If someone breaks into your house, and you are going to fight, you ALWAYS kill them. Make 100% certain they are dead. Dead men tell no tales, and do not show up at trial to testify against you. ****, even the police tell you to always make sure you kill intruders if you're going to do anything.
    1. You must have missed where I wrote "dead men tell no tales" in regard to b&e

    2. Any sources to back up your claim that cops always advise killing intruders?

    3. Depending on the circumstances of the break-in, you may or may not find yourself having to plant evidence and come up with some convincing lies to justify killing the intruder. If the person is unarmed and rooting around in your refrigerator and you kill him for it, you're gonna be ****ed if he has no weapons, you have none to plant, you plant in the wrong hand (cuz he's a lefty instead of a righty) and he just bragged to his friends waiting down the block that he was going to steal some beers from ya. Just saying, nothing is ever iron-clad.
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    Na it's pretty easy actually. It's from doing martial arts / kung fu for a long time.
    whats your credentials no flame-baiting just curious
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    Originally Posted by gmenfan40 View Post
    I fawking hate this place. You would probably get in trouble somehow if someone robbed your house and they cut their finger on glass or something.
    If the guy has a better lawyer than you, yes.


    There was a case a year or so back, kid(17ish) broke into a man's house, he didn't to kill him. So he shot him in the leg, the family sued and won.
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