Chest and Back on same day

tampabay3990 · 07-04-2009, 08:25 PM

Just changed up my routine a little bit and now one day im workin chest and back together. if anyone else does this im just curious would it be better to do a chest exercise super setted with a back exercise or just do one muscle group then the other. thanks in advance

tampabay3990 · 07-04-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tampabay3990

Just changed up my routine a little bit and now one day im workin chest and back together. if anyone else does this im just curious would it be better to do a chest exercise super setted with a back exercise or just do one muscle group then the other. thanks in advance

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ManiacAttack · 07-04-2009, 11:01 PM

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how many workouts do you have and how many sets-reps per workout also how long does it take you to do all those?

tampabay3990 · 07-04-2009, 11:03 PM

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how many workouts do you have and how many sets-reps per workout also how long does it take you to do all those?

about 20 sets for each split up into 5 exercises. my rep range is 5-12. and i take about 60-90 between each set unless super setting of course

ak93 · 07-04-2009, 11:08 PM

wow twenty setsS???? i do chest and back on same day. workin one group at a time. and depending on the day i only do 3-5 sets. 3 sets for 12-15 reps and 4 sets for 6-8 and 5 sets for 1-3 reps.

Vied · 07-04-2009, 11:17 PM

I think its just what you prefur. I used to do chest and back on same day, and I would superset them together. First would be bench and wide grip pulls, then incline and chins, then flys and cable rows. Those would be intense super sets for 5 sets a piece, then I would go at a much slower pace for isolation, about 3 sets for 2 more excercises. If you do power movements though, you ought to just do those by themselves, except bench.

tampabay3990 · 07-05-2009, 09:30 AM

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I think its just what you prefur. I used to do chest and back on same day, and I would superset them together. First would be bench and wide grip pulls, then incline and chins, then flys and cable rows. Those would be intense super sets for 5 sets a piece, then I would go at a much slower pace for isolation, about 3 sets for 2 more excercises. If you do power movements though, you ought to just do those by themselves, except bench.

well i do back twice a week so i do my "power" stuff on the day by itself. This is prolly somethin ill end up doin. just do the first 3 compound exercises super setted and then at the end ill slow up alot and do the iso exercises. sounds good man. thanks

merkong · 07-05-2009, 11:26 AM

No flame just my thoughts... I would never think of moving my split away from chest/tricep/shoulders and back/bicep/legs... Why would you? I mean you have pre-exhaustion, not having to worry about overtraining as much etc, etc...

Also, with super-setting, I superset an isolation and a compound movement for the same muscle... Otherwise what's the point? Burning more calories? I don't think that's what SSing is all about. It's about hammering one muscle. By SSing a compound with an isolation and repping the isolation 8-10 and the compound 12-15 that's exactly what you'll be doing.

But I think we all know that this is a "whatver works" obsession right?

powerhouse17 · 07-05-2009, 03:52 PM

Not to flame you either merkong but you cant really come on here and go i would never think of doing anything different then "..X.." routine that has worked great for me so why would you do that. I love doing chest and back together my whole upper body feels huge and its what works for me. But that doesnt mean thats the only way to train and it would work for someone else. I personally dont like reading up on "how to train" and all these B.S routines. Eeveryones body is different what may work for me may not for you. You need to experiment you k your body better then anyone else does. Again, not to argue because push pulls routines are solid, but may not be for everyone. Find out what works for you. Trial and error is your best friend.

peteskeys · 07-05-2009, 04:00 PM

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Not to flame you either merkong but you cant really come on here and go i would never think of doing anything different then "..X.." routine that has worked great for me so why would you do that. I love doing chest and back together my whole upper body feels huge and its what works for me. But that doesnt mean thats the only way to train and it would work for someone else. I personally dont like reading up on "how to train" and all these B.S routines. Eeveryones body is different what may work for me may not for you. You need to experiment you k your body better then anyone else does. Again, not to argue because push pulls routines are solid, but may not be for everyone. Find out what works for you. Trial and error is your best friend.

This is, to some extent, true, and to a larger extent total BS. At the end of the day 9 out of 10 kids who go to the gym don't know what the hell they're doing there. Sure, they lift and probably make some noob gains, but that's about it. They don't know anything about physiology, fatigue, nutrition, progression, deloading, etc.

I agree, I don't know your body. I don't know if upright rows hurt your rotator cuffs. I don't know if heavy BB rows make your lower back tingle. These are the things that I don't know and will not presume to.

I do know that the world class strength coach knows more about lifting than you. I do know that the 5'10 225lb guy with 7% bf knows more about nutrition than you do. People come here to ask for advice from people who know more than them, and they generally get it. If you don't want to know why your training regimen sucks or how to make it better that's fine, but don't say people with more experience and plenty of helpful advice to give "can't really come on here" because "they don't know your body".

I don't need to know your body to know, in general, what works and what doesn't.

RoccoTanno123 · 07-05-2009, 04:11 PM

I've done chest/back together in the past. Supersetting a chest and back exercise worked awesome. I always left the gym with a massive pump throughout my whole upper body. 20 sets each seems a bit much to me, but if your body responds well to that amount of volume then go for it. What's your routine going to look like, and how many times a week do you plan on hitting chest/back?

CHEEF · 07-05-2009, 04:54 PM

id do

rack deads
wg chins
ng pullups

dips
incline db press
inc fly

all for 4sets

or you could do chest/lats(back width and jus do pullups/chins and do deads on leg day for thickness

Chief05 · 07-05-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ak93

wow twenty setsS???? i do chest and back on same day. workin one group at a time. and depending on the day i only do 3-5 sets. 3 sets for 12-15 reps and 4 sets for 6-8 and 5 sets for 1-3 reps.

Yeah for me 20 sets is extremely alot.Doing the 3-5 sets didn't seem to get me going either.I always thought to grow you have to fatigue the muscle's??

tampabay3990 · 07-05-2009, 07:31 PM

thanks for the advice everyone. like it was stated before i have been doing the whole push pull routine i just wanted to switch it up. i do chest and back twice a week. i only do them together though once. i was thinking this for a routine:

Chest:
Incline BB
Flat BB
Dips
Flys

Back:
BB Rows
WG Pulldowns
CG Pulldowns
DB Rows
Hyperextensions to end it

merkong · 07-05-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by powerhouse17

Not to flame you either merkong but you cant really come on here and go i would never think of doing anything different then "..X.." routine that has worked great for me so why would you do that. I love doing chest and back together my whole upper body feels huge and its what works for me. But that doesnt mean thats the only way to train and it would work for someone else. I personally dont like reading up on "how to train" and all these B.S routines. Eeveryones body is different what may work for me may not for you. You need to experiment you k your body better then anyone else does. Again, not to argue because push pulls routines are solid, but may not be for everyone. Find out what works for you. Trial and error is your best friend.

Agreed that to each their own... And, I don't have aproblem with chest and back together... I mean other than when you lift your triceps they have already gotten work for the week or when you lift your biceps and that they have already gotten worked recently...

Every lifter can do what they want and if they ask a questiuon they absolutely have to expect an answer and sometimes they get good ones from people who know whats up and sometimes they get sh!tty ones from people who don't...

But again, to each their own. I like things that make sense and absolutelky do not want to overtrain...

merkong · 07-05-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by merkong

No flame just my thoughts... I would never think of moving my split away from chest/tricep/shoulders and back/bicep/legs... Why would you? I mean you have pre-exhaustion, not having to worry about overtraining as much etc, etc...

But I think we all know that this is a "whatver works" obsession right?

I just wanted to make sure the logic behind my original post didn't get buried deep in this thread...

Now get outa here and go experiement on yourself...

tampabay3990 · 07-06-2009, 11:18 AM

So i did the whole back/chest day today and it went great. it def gave me a full upper body pump that was ****in awesome. i ended up doing chest first then i proceeded with my back workout. i think im just gonna switch it up like every other week, starting with chest one time then doing back first. i really like the whole chest/back day though