Being fairly new to the BB game, I've only recently heard the terms Long and Short biceps and I'm wondering what the differences are. Could someone post some pics displaying the difference? I'm wondering what I have.
Also, is there an advantage of having either or are they just different?
Thanks!
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Thread: Long or short biceps?
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06-26-2009, 08:40 AM #1
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Long or short biceps?
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06-26-2009, 10:16 AM #2
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i have long ones which means it's difficult for me to grow peaks, nice round muscle bellies and particularly fill at the lower insertion end near the crook of my arms. i do lots of preachers and stuff...doesn't seem to help. i have long arms and legs and a short torso. i think i look like ET. lol i have some pics on my bodyspace, maybe not good representations of long biceps tho.A successful woman is one who can build a firm foundation with the bricks others have thrown at her
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06-26-2009, 10:22 AM #3
Flex your biceps; see if there's a gap between the bottom of your biceps and the crook of your elbow. If you can fit more than one finger's width in there, you'd have what I would consider "short biceps." If there's little or no gap, you're genetically blessed with "long biceps."
The only real disadvantage to short bi's is aesthetic; you'd be judged down slightly in a bodybuilding contest, if you were competing against a guy with longer bi's.
No real need to be overly concerned with this, though; just train 'em hard, and develop them to their best.No brain, no gain.
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06-26-2009, 10:48 AM #4
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06-26-2009, 10:57 AM #5
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06-26-2009, 10:58 AM #6No brain, no gain.
"The fitness and nutrition world is a breeding ground for obsessive-compulsive behavior. The irony is that many of the things people worry about have no impact on results either way, and therefore aren't worth an ounce of concern."--Alan Aragon
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06-26-2009, 12:52 PM #7
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Mine, too. And I'm starting to develop a peak, so there is always hope.
I built a lot of my bicep training based on this thread by Fittnessman. Lots of great info in the first post.
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06-26-2009, 03:20 PM #13
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Is it hopeless if you have a two finger gap and still have no peak? like me.
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06-26-2009, 03:26 PM #14
Short bi's here.....and yes I would love long ones!
Muscle attachments and their location can mean a lot on how big you appear.
Guys with low attachments usually look bigger. I am cursed with high attachments on EVERYTHING. Tris, bis, hamstrings, and yes....calves.
We all work with what we got.....but I am sure jealous when I see a guy with tris that go all the way down to his elbow. Hell....my tris tie in almost 5" up my arm. You cant even tell I have developed arms unless I cuff my sleeves up. (which I gave up years ago). Same thing with leg mass......in long shorts, I dont look all that impressive.......Now if I wore a speedo, you can see I carry all my leg mass up high especially in my hamstrings.
Anyway.....I cant change it so you just do what you can. It certainly does not have an effect on my strength though as I have always been on the stronger side..... I guess I will take the good with the bad
Good luck with working out....careful....it is addictive
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06-26-2009, 04:27 PM #16
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Yorkshireman I: Right! I had to get up in the morning, at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill and pay mill-owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves, singing Hallelujah!
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06-26-2009, 07:02 PM #18
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Try those and you can also do this variation that Bodyhard posted (and I just tried real hard to find the original post but couldn't - so here goes):
Set your incline bench at 45 degrees, grab two DBs and hold them in the bottom postition with your thumbs pointing back. Curl both at once and as you do rotate your wrists so that at the top your thumbs are pointing as close to forward as possible. Hold and squeeze in that top postition before lower the DBs for the next rep. The real point of these (as I understand) is that twist at the top squeezes the bicep muscle just a bit more. These are a regular part of my training.
And if I have completely butchered the explanation, 1,000 appologies and reps to anyone who will correct me (seriously).
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06-26-2009, 07:07 PM #19
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06-27-2009, 03:52 AM #21
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06-27-2009, 06:31 AM #22
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06-27-2009, 11:22 AM #23
The term short or long biceps is somewhat of a myth. Which means that it really does not exist. It was made up by people that are looking for excuses to not train there arms as hard. I have talked to countless trainers and none of them have ever heard of the term.
I recommend that you evaluate your goals and focus on traing every body part with the same intensity.
In hind site short or long biceps don't exist, some people have short arms and some have long arms. For example, Tony Freeman ahs long arms, where as Dex the phony jackson does not. Which makes him look like his arms are bigger.
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06-27-2009, 12:40 PM #24
Not to bust your chops.....but differences in muscle attachment and length from person to person is far from myth.
This can be seen especially in bis and tris but also other muscles like hamstrings and calves.
As some have said.....some guys have a large gap when their bi's are flexed and others dont. This can even be seen in people that dont train and the same relative level of muscular development.
I used to work out with a guy whos tris attached right at his elbows. He had the fullest looking tris I have ever seen. When he carried dumbells it would actually form a little bubble and come down OVER his elbow. It was huge looking.
Funny thing was, our arms were the same size (by a tape measure) Just my tris dont pop out till about 5" from my elbow. Where as his started right at the elbow. Therefore, his arms looked much bigger.....especially in clothes where you only see your lower part of the arm.
No excuses here, I will still train just as hard, but my muscles attach where they attach. You get what you get and that is what you got to work with.
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06-27-2009, 02:10 PM #27
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The more correct terms would be "high" and "low" (as in muscle attachment points on the arm) vs. "short" and "long", which can be confused with bone length (which is also real and a totally different thing). The attachement points change the way the muscle, developed or undeveloped, looks when flexed or relaxed. It's as real as a person's height, bone length, and overall skeletal frame, or hair or eye color for that matter.
High and low attachments of any muscle will impact how it looks, how it responds to some exercises, and to what overall dimensions it can ultimately grow (if it's developed to its absolute largest possible size/shape).
The good news is that regards of high or low attachment, it is possible for anyone, who trains/eats/rests properly, to develop a great looking set of guns.
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06-27-2009, 02:36 PM #28
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06-27-2009, 02:40 PM #29
I have short arms and I guess a long bicep. Theres no chance of a finger/gap between my forearm and bicep. Actually my bicep overlaps into my forearm. I have big arms but I have developed "no peak" on my bicep at all.
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06-27-2009, 02:57 PM #30
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Yorkshireman I: Right! I had to get up in the morning, at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill and pay mill-owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves, singing Hallelujah!
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