Is Christianity Dying?

j miller · 06-18-2009, 08:56 AM

Since we have a thread on "IS Islam Dying Out? I thought we shuld have one of is Islam dying? Obviously, I think not. This is not so much about numbers, it is abut influence in the world. The Pope has expressed his concern abut the waning of Christianity in Europe---this after he acknowledged that there are more Muslims than RCs.

nano.ix · 06-18-2009, 08:58 AM

Religion will never die, it has it's place in peoples live, heritage etc.

ElMariachi · 06-18-2009, 09:39 AM

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Since we have a thread on "IS Islam Dying Out? I thought we shuld have one of is Islam dying? Obviously, I think not. This is not so much about numbers, it is abut influence in the world. The Pope has expressed his concern abut the waning of Christianity in Europe---this after he acknowledged that there are more Muslims than RCs.

Christianity is dying.....in parts of Europe, but growing almost everywhere else.

j miller · 06-18-2009, 10:03 AM

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Christianity is dying.....in parts of Europe, but growing almost everywhere else.

Interesting pattern maybe--Christianity was big in the middle east and then declined rapidly as Islam conquered the area. The next stand of Christianity was Europe where it is now in decline. So there are waves and the ebbs.

a_ahmed · 06-18-2009, 10:09 AM

The reason it's dying is not because of Jesus' teachings but because of the man made teachings and evidence of the church.

The church keeps trying to survive by changing constantly this in itself shows wha it's about. If it's teaching the truth i wouldn't have to evole and change itself all the time. If it's truly teachings from God they would be consistent.

Man made laws like priests not marying, the trinity and all the hocus pocus behind it. The pagan rituals/beliefs that have been historically comprehended are what is turning people off.

We live in the information age. People can seek out knowledge and the church can no longer supress it.

It is just sad that as a result of the church and it's anti-science nature, people have resorted to comparing all religions and God as anti-science and turned to atheism and secularism.. hence the term seperation of church and state.

I really hate it when people compare Islam equivalently to the eurocentric perception of the church. Heck not even islam.. ALL religions. "All religions are teh same" is a generalization revolving around eurocentric notions of the church.

If the church was an organization that spread the word of the prophets and messengers as they were, it would have done alot better. Instead it resorted to being a center of power and deception. Hence the dark ages.

...Rousseau... · 06-18-2009, 10:33 AM

again, Christianity isn't really dying but the Muslims in Europe have like 8 kids per household so yes, it may become the minority religion if Europeans don't speak up and say "hey you guys...stop having so many kids. you can't even afford it."

Ed_Hitchens · 06-18-2009, 10:35 AM

As countries and nations become more educated and scientifically advanced, reliance on superstitious and mythological beliefs wanes. While so-called traditional (i.e. RC, etc) Christianity is still going strong in third-world countries, where ignorance and vulnerability is ripe to be exploited, Christianity is morphing into new shapes in North America, with the rise of "prosperity" and "feel-good" styles replacing most of the traditional and fire-and-brimstone type of preaching.

It's the same product wrapped in a more appealing package, as many followers are finding that the old models are irreconcilable with modern reality. It will be with us for a long time to come (in one form or another) but like all religious systems, it will one day be nothing but an historical footnote.

_ATHEIST_ · 06-18-2009, 10:55 AM

well is it dying? the numbers in usa says it is declining but not by any significance. as for religion ever dying, it will never die. it is a innate trait that has carried on from our ancestors. they needed religion and/or some kind of belief system to keep their tribes together. this is one reason the neanderthals died out they did not have the communication and belief systems of modern humans. also, it is needed for some to ease the pain of their mortality and brings them hope.

jordansrt · 06-18-2009, 10:58 AM

Our God stays the same, if it ever died out comepletly he wouldnt have any purpose on keeping the earth going and would probaly return if he doesnt before then anyway

nano.ix · 06-18-2009, 11:02 AM

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Our God stays the same, if it ever died out comepletly he wouldnt have any purpose on keeping the earth going and would probaly return if he doesnt before then anyway

years ago egyptians worshiped hundreds of gods, they didn't stay the same. your statement is clouded by blind faith

An hero · 06-18-2009, 11:02 AM

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Our God stays the same, if it ever died out comepletly he wouldnt have any purpose on keeping the earth going and would probaly return if he doesnt before then anyway

You are such a ****ing joke

Arbex · 06-18-2009, 11:03 AM

In 1000 years, most of it will probably be a thing of the past.

Scientific discoveries are growing exponentially.

God is getting some massive beats.

Melkor · 06-18-2009, 11:07 AM

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In 1000 years, most of it will probably be a thing of the past.

Scientific discoveries are growing exponentially.

God is getting some massive beats.

God and science are not in conflict. I believe in both, and have never had to excuse one for the other.

An hero · 06-18-2009, 11:09 AM

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God and science are not in conflict. I believe in both, and have never had to excuse one for the other.

I think they are in conflict.

Arbex · 06-18-2009, 11:10 AM

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God and science are not in conflict. I believe in both, and have never had to excuse one for the other.

But yeah, you're right. They aren't in conflict.

Only one of them is reality.

jackfast1 · 06-18-2009, 11:13 AM

christianity should have died with jesus on the cross...

Arbex · 06-18-2009, 11:17 AM

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christianity should have died with jesus on the cross...

Son, I'm disappoint...

Jesus never existed.

_ATHEIST_ · 06-18-2009, 11:19 AM

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Son, I'm disappoint...

Jesus never existed.

at least let the christians have jeebus as a man.

Melkor · 06-18-2009, 11:21 AM

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I think they are in conflict.

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But yeah, you're right. They aren't in conflict.

Only one of them is reality.

The difference is, you know something about science, and very little about religion. I know something about both, and I can make an educated claim. Religion can CHOOSE to put itself into conflict with science (young earthers, etc), but it is not necessarily so.

nano.ix · 06-18-2009, 11:26 AM

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Religion will only die if we become God ourselves.

i am god.
done.

jordansrt · 06-18-2009, 11:27 AM

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years ago egyptians worshiped hundreds of gods, they didn't stay the same. your statement is clouded by blind faith

lulz yet ours was how long ago and its still how strong?

jordansrt · 06-18-2009, 11:28 AM

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You are such a ****ing joke

want me to call the wambulance?

Arbex · 06-18-2009, 11:29 AM

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The difference is, you know something about science, and very little about religion. I know something about both, and I can make an educated claim. Religion can CHOOSE to put itself into conflict with science (young earthers, etc), but it is not necessarily so.

Interpretations, interpretations, interpretations...

_ATHEIST_ · 06-18-2009, 11:32 AM

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lulz yet ours was how long ago and its still how strong?

so most people in alabama believe the death penalty is right. does that make it right?

Melkor · 06-18-2009, 11:34 AM

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Interpretations, interpretations, interpretations...

You can't hold everyone who believes in God responsible for the error of a few, any more than you can hold everyone who believes in science responsible for the Nazis doing horrible science experiments on Jews. It doesn't make any sense.

nano.ix · 06-18-2009, 11:34 AM

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lulz yet ours was how long ago and its still how strong?

priest's molest little boys, thats still strong.

Arbex · 06-18-2009, 11:36 AM

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You can't hold everyone who believes in God responsible for the error of a few, any more than you can hold everyone who believes in science responsible for the Nazis doing horrible science experiments on Jews. It doesn't make any sense.

Taking a book and interpreting it anyway you want does not make it real.

The bible says things science has proven wrong.

If you're going to interpret things in it anyway you want, I can open up any book and interpret it anyway I feel like.

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It doesn't make any sense.

nano.ix · 06-18-2009, 11:40 AM

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Taking a book and interpreting it anyway you want does not make it real.

The bible says things science has proven it wrong.

If you're going to interpret things in it anyway you want, I can open up any book and interpret it anyway I feel like.

you dont have to associate god with relgion.

god n science can coinside ...
christianity & science ... welll isnt that what creationism is?

Arbex · 06-18-2009, 11:40 AM

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you dont have to associate god with relgion.

god n science can coinside ...
christianity & science ... welll isnt that what creationism is?

Then call yourself a deist.

Also, creationism isn't science.

Melkor · 06-18-2009, 11:41 AM

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Taking a book and interpreting it anyway you want does not make it real.

The bible says things science has proven it wrong.

If you're going to interpret things in it anyway you want, I can open up any book and interpret it anyway I feel like.

I'm not going to get into a long, stupid argument about the Bible's scientific claims (or lack thereof), but if you say that I have to interpret the Bible the exact same way YOU do (in order for your scientific falsehoods to be true), aren't you contradicting your own argument anyway?

The fact of the matter is, I believe in the Bible, and I believe in science, and I have no problem doing both. It obviously can be done, because I (and every other Mormon out there, and many other Christians as well) do it.