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    Running Before Breakfast?

    Is this a good thing to do (2 times a week) while bulking? Does it burn fat, or muscle?

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    I take one scoop of whey before my morning cardio
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    Originally Posted by simpsonlee View Post
    I take one scoop of whey before my morning cardio
    I take it after
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    So, it is good to do?
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    Running before breakfast is bad, because your body has no food to burn and causes your body to go into catablism (where the body burns it's own muscles for fuel).
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    Originally Posted by skinny_Waw View Post
    Running before breakfast is bad, because your body has no food to burn and causes your body to go into catablism (where the body burns it's own muscles for fuel).
    really?
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    as far as cardio goes before breakfast.. YES, do it. I immediately saw myself lean out after just walking on incline for about 45 minutes after just a shake. The intensity needs to be kept low, within your fat burning range for you Heart rate or muscle and fat will be burned.
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    yea dude do it, it will be even better if you take 200mg of caffeine before you run to get the heart rate up, and to assist in the fat burning. I was reading mens health and I forgot which absolutely disgustingly huge bodybuilder was doing it, but that was his routine every morning.

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    Originally Posted by skinny_Waw View Post
    Running before breakfast is bad, because your body has no food to burn and causes your body to go into catablism (where the body burns it's own muscles for fuel).
    Not necessarily true. It's a highly debated topic, and nobody really knows whats best, but there is a good article on the topic.

    I can't link it, due to my post number, but google "fasted cardio t-nation" and click on the first link.
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    General consensus is, morning cardio before eating is good. If you are that concerned about losing muscle mass, pop some amino's beforehand, and have a shake after. Problem solved.
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    it's putting your body into catabolism as said, which not only can potentially burn fat but also burns muscle. I wouldn't try to lose fat while bulking, that's just my opinion.
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    what if you do HIIT?
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    cardio doesnt burn fat, cardio burns calories which in conjunction with eating BELOW your maintenance will lead you to losing fat, cardio doesnt burn fat so if your trying to bulk + lose fat at the same time stop wasting your time.
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    Originally Posted by gettinbig17 View Post
    cardio doesnt burn fat, cardio burns calories which in conjunction with eating BELOW your maintenance will lead you to losing fat, cardio doesnt burn fat so if your trying to bulk + lose fat at the same time stop wasting your time.
    but doesnt HIIT target losing fat?


    heres a quote from a bodybuilding article

    "A couple more tips concerning nutrition that can help drastically with fat loss goals are to perform HIIT workouts in the morning on an empty stomach, and to have a meal following the workout. Morning activities before food consumption are more effective at burning fat than the same activities done later in the day after having eaten. It's been shown in studies that fat is utilized up to 3 times more when cardiovascular exercise is done on an empty-stomach."
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    Originally Posted by jaco45 View Post
    but doesnt HIIT target losing fat?


    heres a quote from a bodybuilding article

    "A couple more tips concerning nutrition that can help drastically with fat loss goals are to perform HIIT workouts in the morning on an empty stomach, and to have a meal following the workout. Morning activities before food consumption are more effective at burning fat than the same activities done later in the day after having eaten. It's been shown in studies that fat is utilized up to 3 times more when cardiovascular exercise is done on an empty-stomach."
    hiit on an empty stomach??? HOOOOLLLYY SHIIIIIT thats the worst advice ive ever heard, and hiit is better than regular cardio because it burns more overall calories.
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    Originally Posted by gettinbig17 View Post
    hiit on an empty stomach??? HOOOOLLLYY SHIIIIIT thats the worst advice ive ever heard, and hiit is better than regular cardio because it burns more overall calories.
    dude this is taken from the HIIT article on bodybuilding.com

    "A couple more tips concerning nutrition that can help drastically with fat loss goals are to perform HIIT workouts in the morning on an empty stomach, and to have a meal following the workout. Morning activities before food consumption are more effective at burning fat than the same activities done later in the day after having eaten. It's been shown in studies that fat is utilized up to 3 times more when cardiovascular exercise is done on an empty-stomach."


    when you dont burn the calories you burn the fat

    dont listen to gettingbig17, he dosent know what hes talking about cardio does burn fat, its been proven
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    HIIT on an empty stomach in the morning is not totally out of the question. I happen to think that it is a great way of burning fat without losing much muscle. I have tried HIIT in the mornings before breakfast before and it helped me to shave off quite a bit of fat and also provided a good challenge
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    Originally Posted by jaco45 View Post
    dude this is taken from the HIIT article on bodybuilding.com

    "A couple more tips concerning nutrition that can help drastically with fat loss goals are to perform HIIT workouts in the morning on an empty stomach, and to have a meal following the workout. Morning activities before food consumption are more effective at burning fat than the same activities done later in the day after having eaten. It's been shown in studies that fat is utilized up to 3 times more when cardiovascular exercise is done on an empty-stomach."


    when you dont burn the calories you burn the fat

    dont listen to gettingbig17, he dosent know what hes talking about cardio does burn fat, its been proven
    fail, i dont give a ****, im not forcing you to belive me, if you knew how the human body actually worked you would think different but w/e
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    why would we take advice about losing fat from you?
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    Originally Posted by MBO234 View Post
    Not necessarily true. It's a highly debated topic, and nobody really knows whats best,

    .
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    Originally Posted by gettinbig17 View Post
    fail, i dont give a ****, im not forcing you to belive me, if you knew how the human body actually worked you would think different but w/e


    Either one of two things.... You either dont know **** about cardio and are just blowing smoke out your ass. Or two, you have no will power and self control.
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    alright guys, let's not turn this forum in to a bunch of name calling. it gets us nowhere and doesn't answer the starters question.

    no one really has done a thorough scientific study (from what I've seen but I would love to see one if anyone has one) but here's my two cents:

    if i do cardio in the morning/on an empty stomach, i would take BCAA's or EAA's prior to my run and do low-intensity for 15-25 min. personally i think doing HIIT on an empty stomach is asking to die. HIIT is tough enough when your glycogen stores are full, I can't imagine doing it on an empty stomach. the 3x more effective thing is most likely because you burn the same amount of fat in less time since you don't have to burn through your glycogen stores which I don't feel is a very good/fair comparison. Also, just because it's an article on bodybuilding.com doesn't mean its fact. Some of the articles are written by people who aren't always experts in the field of fitness. (Not to discredit bodybuilding.com for their excellent site)

    the whole theory is that cardio is done in the morning/empty stomach is because you during cardio the first 15-20 min is spent burning glycogen from your glycogen stores that are refilled each time you eat. if you're glycogen stores have been used (i.e. while you were sleeping), then this process has already taken place and therefore you can get straight to fat burning. you're body then utilizes fat for energy. instead of needing to do 30-45 min of cardio you only need to do 15-25 min.
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    Originally Posted by gkizzle3622 View Post
    alright guys, let's not turn this forum in to a bunch of name calling. it gets us nowhere and doesn't answer the starters question.

    no one really has done a thorough scientific study (from what I've seen but I would love to see one if anyone has one) but here's my two cents:

    if i do cardio in the morning/on an empty stomach, i would take BCAA's or EAA's prior to my run and do low-intensity for 15-25 min. personally i think doing HIIT on an empty stomach is asking to die. HIIT is tough enough when your glycogen stores are full, I can't imagine doing it on an empty stomach. the 3x more effective thing is most likely because you burn the same amount of fat in less time since you don't have to burn through your glycogen stores which I don't feel is a very good/fair comparison. Also, just because it's an article on bodybuilding.com doesn't mean its fact. Some of the articles are written by people who aren't always experts in the field of fitness. (Not to discredit bodybuilding.com for their excellent site)

    the whole theory is that cardio is done in the morning/empty stomach is because you during cardio the first 15-20 min is spent burning glycogen from your glycogen stores that are refilled each time you eat. if you're glycogen stores have been used (i.e. while you were sleeping), then this process has already taken place and therefore you can get straight to fat burning. you're body then utilizes fat for energy. instead of needing to do 30-45 min of cardio you only need to do 15-25 min.
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    how intense should the workout be?
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    For about the past two months now I've ran two miles every morning (about 250 calories) on any empty stomach and I haven't noticed any loss in muscle...
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    Originally Posted by rbby228 View Post
    how intense should the workout be?
    in the morning i'd say low intensity 15-25 min. a nice light jog to get the heart rate up or something that i've found that i like is taking a treadmill, putting the incline to max and just walking a decent pace for low-intensity
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    I do HIIT 3x a week right after i wake up on an empty stomach. I;ve definetly seen good results with fat loss, and I continue to get stronger on my bench and squat etc. So it works for me.
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    Originally Posted by jcurtis126 View Post
    I do HIIT 3x a week right after i wake up on an empty stomach. I;ve definetly seen good results with fat loss, and I continue to get stronger on my bench and squat etc. So it works for me.
    very nice. sounds like that works for you. as you all can see here, nothing is set in stone. experiment and find what works best for your body.
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