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does the heat from cooking your food affect PROTEIN POWDER negatively, when it is added to the recipe for increased protein content.
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is it REALLY a good idea to cook with protein powder?
I have been looking into many recipes that appear to be healthy, and sound delicious. However, I am worried that cooking the protein powder might have a negative effect.
Think about it, we buy this expensive protein powder, that has been processed in a cold facility (to preserve its nutritional value). Then after everyone makes sure the protein is perfect for absorbtion and such, I am told that it IS a good idea to blend this powder in with my foods that are to be cooked at temperatures of 200 degrees Fahrenheit (or more). This does not chemically, physically, or logically make any sense to me.
(I have been told) There is plenty of research that shows protein is less effective when heated beyond a certain temperature. There is also plenty of recipes instructing me to heat this protein up to unknown temperatures (The recipe does not say "heat to 99 degrees because any higher and you will render the product useless." - for example).
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06-06-2009, 11:16 PM #1
is it REALLY a good idea to cook with protein powder?
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06-06-2009, 11:28 PM #2
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I don't know about the rest, but food is rarely cooked to a temperature much higher than 165 degrees. Just because water boils at 212 doesn't mean most food is served at that high of a temperature. Well done chicken and beef is 165 degrees, seafood is usually not cooked much higher than 140-145(feel sorry for whoever is eating it if it is).
Additionally, heat isn't the only thing that will denature proteins- besides heat, so will cold and salt(try to use seasoned egg whites for a consomme and see how miserably it fails). Now, how all this specifically applies to protein powder in the kitchen I have no idea. For one thing, I've neverr done it professionally, and I've never seen an article from somebody like Harold Mcgee addressing it.Last edited by jeremyleinen; 06-06-2009 at 11:31 PM.
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Everyone throws out the word denature and acts like it ruins the protein. All food breaks down when cooked. Sure, there are levels of how far, however if your not eating charcoal you'll be fine. When you cook a steak, does it not break down some? Think about it for a second. If cooking food ruined proteins, we'd eat everything raw.
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Does it? In an absolute sense, yes. Microfractions would likely be denatured to some degree. But denaturing is what your stomach does anyway, and whether or not they will end up surviving the digestive process is another story.
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06-07-2009, 06:57 AM #7
Interesting topic. You may be able to reference pasteurization for some information: times and temperatures at which you can cook milk and it retain its protein (whey).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteur...zation_of_milk
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lol, enlighten me. you always post answers like this with no reasoning, back up, etc.
theyre are so many proven unhealthy things about pasteurized milk it amazes me more people dont know.
as for the initial topic of this thread, i wont pretend to know as much as in10city, but ive learned that things such as microwaving or cooking with high heat on a stovetop damages protein. while there is great room for debate as far as microwaving affecting nutritional value, its been proven microwaved foods affect hemoglobin levels which is reason enough for me to not use one when i dont have to. what would you say in regard to this?Last edited by -MSR9889-; 06-07-2009 at 08:06 AM.
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06-07-2009, 08:13 AM #13Optimum Nutrition 100% Any Whey Questions Answers
100% ANY WHEY Protein is a new type of protein supplement that can be added to foods and beverages to boost protein levels. Just one scoop increases the protein content by 17 grams. 100% ANY WHEY Protein consists of a blend of whey protein isolate, whey protein concentrate, and whey protein hydrolysate. Because the blend is derived entirely from whey, it is rapidly digested and made available to your body shortly after ingestion. In addition to being a high-quality protein source, 100% ANY WHEY Protein also provides branched chain amino acids (BCAAs) and the valuable amino acid, glutamine. BCAAs and glutamine contribute significantly to muscle growth, recovery, and a healthy immune system.
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Q: I heard that high temperatures "break down" protein. Will the cooking/baking process have a negative effect on the protein?
A: While it's true that proteins can be denatured by heat, unless the protein structure is particularly delicate or exposed to extremely high temperatures for extended periods of time, any denaturation that takes place is likely to be minimal. It is also important to keep in mind that denatured DOES NOT equal non-nutritious or unavailable - denaturation simply refers to a situation where the physical or chemical structure of a protein is rearranged. In some cases the denaturation process is temporary (e.g. whipping egg whites into a foam); in others, such as when you fry an egg, the denaturation is permanent. In both situations, the egg contains the same amino acid makeup and is equally nutritious. In fact, the fried egg is actually slightly more nutritious when cooked because cooking inactivates a component that binds the essential B-vitamin biotin. That said, while denaturation does not alter the nutritive value of proteins, excessive heat can reduce or destroy delicate peptides (i.e. microfractions) within a protein. For this reason, it is best to limit the exposure of 100% ANY WHEY Protein to high heat, and cook with lower temperatures whenever possible. In other words, add 100% ANY WHEY Protein at the end of the cooking cycle whenever possible, and choose lower temperature cooking like microwaving and baking over higher heat methods like pan or deep-fryingNo citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
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06-11-2009, 08:29 AM #14
ok... thanks
i will just try making sure i dont use too much heat.
idk what too much is, but il try finding outRESPECT all FEAR none. The Iron never lies.
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