Bagels vs Oats

[21Classic]

Why is it that Oats are 'prefered' over bagels? I must be spacing out. I am truly suprised at how stumped i am by this. normally i have a strong grasp on nutrition.




Oats 1/2 cup

Calories -150 /full cup -300
Fat -2.5 /Full cup -5
Carbs -27 /Full cup -54
Protien -6 /full cup -12


Bagel
1/2 bagel

Calories -140 /Whole bagel -280
Fat - .5 /Whole -1
Carbs -29 /Whole -58
Protien -5 /Whole -10

the differences is seriously just a nitpicking detail. give or take 2 to 10 here or there, doesnt matter. Im just curious as why Oats are overwhelmingly used in BB over bagels considering their practically the same product. Bagels are complex carbs, correct?

[pollox]

Why is it that Oats are 'prefered' over bagels? I must be spacing out. I am truly suprised at how stumped i am by this. normally i have a strong grasp on nutrition.




Oats 1/2 cup

Calories -150 /full cup -300
Fat -2.5 /Full cup -5
Carbs -27 /Full cup -54
Protien -6 /full cup -12


Bagel
1/2 bagel

Calories -140 /Whole bagel -280
Fat - .5 /Whole -1
Carbs -29 /Whole -58
Protien -5 /Whole -10

the differences is seriously just a nitpicking detail. give or take 2 to 10 here or there, doesnt matter. Im just curious as why Oats are overwhelmingly used in BB over bagels considering their practically the same product. Bagels are complex carbs, correct?

bagels arent complex carbs at all, they are fast absorbing, doesnt matter if they are whole wheat or not, bread is bread

[hooked4life]

bagels arent complex carbs at all, they are fast absorbing, doesnt matter if they are whole wheat or not, bread is bread

wrong.

wrong.

wrong.

OP you are exactly right, they are highly interchangeable. variety is nice, eating both would be advisable. oatmeal might also offer greater satiety if that is an issue for you currently.

[Dashstep]

bagels arent complex carbs at all, they are fast absorbing, doesnt matter if they are whole wheat or not, bread is bread

where do people get this stuff? I mean you said it yourself "whole wheat", why on earth do you think this is completely different to "whole oats"?

[papasmurf2217]

eat what tastes good, bro

[rsjrv99]

difference is GI

[21Classic]

difference is GI

Interesting, Please explain.

[hooked4life]

difference is GI

true statement is true. however, does GI matter? if so why?

(this is a trick question)

[Theenforcer1]

eh I find oats to be more filling than a bagel, that being said, i just eat both.

[Mr. Tripeps]

From a "dry" standpoint, i believe they are interchangable, oats might have more fiber content though, not sure.

The difference for me comes when oats are cooked. The water absorbed triples their volume, and it more filling and satisfying. Bagels, conversely, are very calorie dense and are eaten quickly and don't fill my stomach up as much.

Maybe I'll try soaking my bagel in 1 cup of water and microwaving it!

[21Classic]

true statement is true. however, does GI matter? if so why?

(this is a trick question)

trick question is tricky














Seems like everyone has the same idea i do. Their pretty much interchangeable.

its just when you hear pro bodybuilders or nutritionists, their always 'oats, oats, oats' , you never hear them say anything about bagels.

[dimasso69]

bagels arent complex carbs at all, they are fast absorbing, doesnt matter if they are whole wheat or not, bread is bread

Yes they are white bread is a complex carb just a refined carb
whole wheat bread is a complex carb also
oats are a complex carb also
fruit is a simple carb
veges are a simple carb

true statement is true. however, does GI matter? if so why?

(this is a trick question)

but when u eat high GI that shuttles the fats eaten with the meal straight to ur hips..causing love handless righttttt.....lol GI is dumb unless the person is hypoglycemic or has diabetes..correct me if im wrong but GI was created for these types of people

[imccarthy]

Yes they are white bread is a complex carb just a refined carb
whole wheat bread is a complex carb also
oats are a complex carb also
fruit is a simple carb
veges are a simple carb


but when u eat high GI that shuttles the fats eaten with the meal straight to ur hips..causing love handless righttttt.....lol GI is dumb unless the person is hypoglycemic or has diabetes..correct me if im wrong but GI was created for these types of people

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[hooked4life]

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yup. oats -do- have a lot of use, but then again so does bread.

[YoungEx20]

Okay, how about Oats Vs. Grits?

[rsjrv99]

Interesting, Please explain.

lower GI foods are better overall for the bodybuilder, you can do your own research on this

Okay, how about Oats Vs. Grits?

grits are much higher GI

[RealMenDeadLift]

lower GI foods are better overall for the bodybuilder, you can do your own research on this

0rly?

[hooked4life]

lower GI foods are better overall for the bodybuilder, you can do your own research on this

I think you should do more research on GI, of special note would be

1) the methodology of the GI tests - especially the extremely artificial conditions created

2) what happens to GI when you combine macro nutrients. look up the GI on a snickers.

3) finally what exactly results in high GI foods? the correlations you're (i assume) thinking of really just don't exist.

[dimasso69]

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Yeahh i thought i did pretty good

lower GI foods are better overall for the bodybuilder, you can do your own research on this



grits are much higher GI

Sir, i have done my research, find a study proving your point and that it shows that high GI foods=worse body composition or overall health
Brown rice, Baked Potato, Sweet potato, lentils, kidney beans, Orange Juice, Muesli, bananas, Mangos, pineapple, watermelon, and more all have higher GI than M&M's, Snickers, and choc. bars
Which foods would you say are better for overall health?? the higher or lower GI foods.

[Ruz4life]

trick question is tricky

This is off the subject but why do people keep saying things like this? tricky post is tricky, dumb thread is dumb. It sounds so weird and I see so many people posting things like that.

[hooked4life]

This is off the subject but why do people keep saying things like this? tricky post is tricky, dumb thread is dumb. It sounds so weird and I see so many people posting things like that.

i duno, misc term - people become socialized to act as others do around them.

i actually think it sounds kind of cool, but i'm a law student, so my judgment is already suspect :P

[dimasso69]

This is off the subject but why do people keep saying things like this? tricky post is tricky, dumb thread is dumb. It sounds so weird and I see so many people posting things like that.

Yeah i dont understand either it's just a useless post that provides no information kinda like the other post that i quoted below me..if your going to make a post at least make it have some information or bring something to the thread..

0rly?

[Ruz4life]

haha ok, I never really checked out the misc. section so I guess I'm not up on the lingo. I just thought it sounded weird and didn't really know what that lingo was all about.

[daltrey]

The reason I eat oats over bagels is because oats are 10X cheaper. Plus I like eating them and if I'm in a hurry I can throw them in a shake and go. They also keep forever where as bagels go stale. I also mix it up and eat grits some days and hashbrowns others.

[Dan290]

So is the GI content of a carbohydrate meaningless in terms of body composition???????

Forgive me on this question, its just that before joining this forum i was very much convinced that eating low GI was the big all and end all to getting lean (mainly through researching many bodybuilding and pre contest articles).

The concept that eating a bagel instead of oats for breakfast will give me the exact same effect seems ludicrous! Im not saying i disagree, i am willing to believe it.

Just makes me wonder why i have been eating boring old tasteless oats with water for so long when i could of munched on a tasty bagel.

[The Solution]

So is the GI content of a carbohydrate meaningless in terms of body composition???????

Forgive me on this question, its just that before joining this forum i was very much convinced that eating low GI was the big all and end all to getting lean (mainly through researching many bodybuilding and pre contest articles).

The concept that eating a bagel instead of oats for breakfast will give me the exact same effect seems ludicrous! Im not saying i disagree, i am willing to believe it.

Just makes me wonder why i have been eating boring old tasteless oats with water for so long when i could of munched on a tasty bagel.

You trying to say if you ate a 300 calorie bagel, and 450 calories of oats you would be leaner?

You have been eating boring old oats because you sir are brainwashed by Broscience.

[Ruz4life]

So is the GI content of a carbohydrate meaningless in terms of body composition???????

Forgive me on this question, its just that before joining this forum i was very much convinced that eating low GI was the big all and end all to getting lean (mainly through researching many bodybuilding and pre contest articles).

The concept that eating a bagel instead of oats for breakfast will give me the exact same effect seems ludicrous! Im not saying i disagree, i am willing to believe it.

Just makes me wonder why i have been eating boring old tasteless oats with water for so long when i could of munched on a tasty bagel.

I think you have been brainwashed.. lol, why is it so ludicrous to believe that a bagel would not be acceptable instead of oats for breakfast? Heck, I eat cereal and protein shakes for breakfast most of the time and have seen no negative effects..

I'm not very knowledgeable on the low GI / high GI subject as I never really worried about it that much, but I believe the low GI / high GI concept only matters if you are eating the carbohydrate in a fasted state by itself with no proteins or fats to go along with it. Obviously most of us are not in this position so we don't have to stress over it too much.

Good luck!


edit layzie just beat me to it, reps on recharge layzie.

[Holyspokes]

So is the GI content of a carbohydrate meaningless in terms of body composition???????

Yes GI has a lot of flaws.

[Bedwards]

lower GI foods are better overall for the bodybuilder, you can do your own research on this

You sir, are wrong.

You can do your own reseach on this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16629877
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12458971
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413101
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17923862
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17823436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177201

[dimasso69]

You trying to say if you ate a 300 calorie bagel, and 450 calories of oats you would be leaner?

You have been eating boring old oats because you sir are brainwashed by Broscience.

many people are under the impression oats+chicken breast+Peanut butter+whey= Perfect bodybuilding diet, and they are all brainwashed!