Peanut butter + Oatmeal = bad?

[COZ999]

also none of these studies are really dont in the bodybuilding community. another reason its hard to pick a side.

[imccarthy]

alright so for you guys that take thread posting so seriously. Im sorry I called mccarthy a homo. Anyway, ur right on the research. No backing can be found because only studies have been done to debunk the myth none have been done in support of. A few overseas studies have been done but are too confusing to understand. So whether I am completely wrong or not, I will continue to eat 5-10 meals a day. Why? Because eating as an ecto requires lots of clean calories which are hard to gulp down in 3 meals and also because this method has worked./

How many calories do you eat in the offseason?

I can easily get 5000 calories in only 3 or 4 meals, what kind of food do you eat?

[imccarthy]

also none of these studies are really dont in the bodybuilding community. another reason its hard to pick a side.

Bodybuilders are still human as far as I am aware, if anything lots of exercise and (only for some obviously) steroid use will only enhance our ability to process nutrients.

[COZ999]

I eat 5000+. However not are all solid,

Meal 1-Shake
Meal 2- Food
Meal3- Protein bar/banana
Meal 4- Food
Meal 5- Food (pb and j)
Meal 7- Shake
Meal 8 (intra w.o) Shake
Meal 9 Shake (PWO)
Meal 10 FFood (Dinner)
Meal 11 Sludge (Prebed)

[devo09]

It seems the same ones arguing why **** doesnt work are the same guys who wonder why they make no progress or sit on the computer all day. Wanna know why I am sitting here is because I have a show tomorrow and really cant do much of anything but drink water. Why dont u put the keyboard down, go eat something (I dont care if u already had 3 meals) and work out. This is why I cant be a personal trainer bc guys like this that are quick to question everything, no wonder were the "Y" genergation

Ummm, look below...Fther flex gets some "decent" results without adhering to your high frequency meals..

and also, good luck with your "diet" business. There are a million other broscientists that are trying to do the same thing, except they have clinical nutrition/dieticien degrees

Thermic effect of eating every 2-3 hours? Its wishful thinking really, evidence to support this other than the big dude said this? Nada....

When dieting I eat less frequently. Meals are spaced 4-6 hours apart, simply because their is actual evidence to support that spacing your protein in such a manner can be beneficial. Not only does this actually make sense from scientific perspective, but simply much easier on my sanity when prepping. I can eat, and no longer have to even worry about or really think about food for another 4-6 hours is a wonderful thing. Specially since I really get caught up in my day. Makes dieting much more simpler...

And the end of the day you or at a surpluss, or deficit.

2+2+2+2+2+2=6

and so does 3+3....Preptime for me it was spaced like this.

5-6am

10-11am

3-4pm

8-9pm

12-1am

When folks stop thinking I am going to trick my body, but actually realize that you can't. You have to work with owners manual we will see more guys getting rewarded for their efforts. I mean you guys work bloody hard, I know that...Why not get rewarded optimally for your efforts.

[RealMenDeadLift]

alright so for you guys that take thread posting so seriously. Im sorry I called mccarthy a homo. Anyway, ur right on the research. No backing can be found because only studies have been done to debunk the myth none have been done in support of. A few overseas studies have been done but are too confusing to understand. So whether I am completely wrong or not, I will continue to eat 5-10 meals a day. Why? Because eating as an ecto requires lots of clean calories which are hard to gulp down in 3 meals and also because this method has worked./

lol? the studies were to see if it had an effect, the results were negative, it isn't because they were just trying to debunk the myth. And if you like eating at the frequency and it works for you, go ahead, no one gives a damn, but don't go telling people they must eat at a super high frequency because they simply dont.

[COZ999]

from the looks of it, u are a calories in/ calories out guy.

Cant see eye to eye with u on that one. I have seen the ill effects of too many carbs and sugar as opposed to real foods

[COZ999]

lol? the studies were to see if it had an effect, the results were negative, it isn't because they were just trying to debunk the myth. And if you like eating at the frequency and it works for you, go ahead, no one gives a damn, but don't go telling people they must eat at a super high frequency because they simply dont.

No I tell ectos that. I would tell an endo to split his calories over 5-6 once again bc its easier to get that much food down. Okay so the metabolic rate one was bunk and I admit no research is there to back my side, fine Ill swallow that pill

[imccarthy]

from the looks of it, u are a calories in/ calories out guy.

Cant see eye to eye with u on that one. I have seen the ill effects of too many carbs and sugar as opposed to real foods

How are carbs and sugar not "real" foods?

I eat 800+ grams of carbs, 200+ of which are sugar, every day, and am in excellent health.

[COZ999]

Wouldnt u rather replace the carbs with proteins? Even things out a bit? Or is that too normal

[RealMenDeadLift]

Wouldnt u rather replace the carbs with proteins? Even things out a bit? Or is that too normal

only so much protein is needed, wouldn't you rather use a much more efficient energy source?

[COZ999]

only so much protein is needed, wouldn't you rather use a much more efficient energy source?

now I am going to get told protein isnt important. I am out of this section. I was warned you guys were brain washed. Tell u what, do what works for u! See u on stage!

[RuckstaR]

now I am going to get told protein isnt important. I am out of this section. I was warned you guys were brain washed. Tell u what, do what works for u! See u on stage!

I think he said only "so much" protein is necessary, and after that point, perhaps choosing a fuel source that your body can use more readily like carbs would make more sense than continuing to add protein. Nowhere did anyone imply or say protein wasn't important.

Did you deliberately take that out of context???

[imccarthy]

Wouldnt u rather replace the carbs with proteins? Even things out a bit? Or is that too normal

The irony!

You post pictures of yourself nearly naked on a website to show off your striated glutes! And you say I'm abnormal because I don't eat 3422345872345 grams of protein per day?

only so much protein is needed, wouldn't you rather use a much more efficient energy source?

This.

now I am going to get told protein isnt important. I am out of this section. I was warned you guys were brain washed. Tell u what, do what works for u! See u on stage!

You could have just answered his question...

Anyway,
kthxbye

[TheWaffleIron]

I cant believe people are actually arguing that 3 meals is just as good as 6-8. I eat 10 when bulking bc I am a true ecto. I made my best gains like this. Your metabolism can be compared to a fire. You feed it substantial amount of woods its gonna burn hot and fast, you throw in a few pieces ever hour yea its gonna be a fire but not much of one. Now a refeed or cheat day can be employed in this analogy as well when cutting. You practically starve the fire (your metabolism/body) but once a week you spark that "fire" up huge with a large amount of food. Thus your metabolic rate gets a jumpstart. Whoever thinks this is bogus obviously is no bodybuilder and has trouble chokind down meals because they are weak. Vaporize dont even bother arguing with them, they only use science in there favor when some douche bag does one "study"

No. Whoever thinks the "fire and wood" analogy is adequate does not understand basic physiology.

What's sad about it is that a lot of kids trying to get into bodybuilding would read this forum and think that eating 3,000 calories of junk food in one meal a day is just as good as a clean, standard bodybuilding diet. All because a half a dozen skinny teenagers are ruining it in here. And, one guy comes in who actually knows something about diet, and they start mobbing him...

Since you did not comprehend my argument in the "3000 calories of chicken v. 2500 calories of pizza" thread, I'm going to reiterate certain key aspects.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=182

How about moderation? Consume only 500 - 700 calories from pepperoni pizza, in an otherwise healthy diet.

Not one poster has admitted to eating, or recommended eating, 2500 calories of pizza.

I would not consume 2500 calories of pepperoni pizza as my entire diet. I would not recommend it to anyone. That said, in this specific instance, it would be less fattening than 3000 calories of chicken.

Is that clear enough? Or, rather, how are you going to obfuscate those points?

and in fact I did some research. Ur point proves valid........in some studies. In others its grey. I dont understand why people argue things that work. I bet ur a democrat too mccarthy. I am sure u argue everything the gov't does. You complain and try to find reasoning behind why the way things are and how they have worked for so long should be changed. Yea i agree there is a lot of "broscience" (i hate that word ) in bodybuilding and I am one for debunking great myths but the facts are unless the whole eating more raises metbolism is a huge placebo I can count on 45 hands the amount of times I have seen these prove valid. I think its easier to gorge at one sitting if your hungry and then whole 4-6meals came into play because people were eating correct portions. As we all know Americans biggest problem is portion control. So I still say macro partioning and splitting ur meals up over a period of time is better. Is there a magical number? No probably not but I can bet a 3 square meal bb doesnt look half as good as 6-7 meal bodybuilder

Your anecdotal evidence does not suffice. It is poorly controlled and biased, and does not rely on legitimate data.

Here is a link to several abstracts of relevant studies. Please, feel free to critique the methodology.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=481

from the looks of it, u are a calories in/ calories out guy.

Cant see eye to eye with u on that one. I have seen the ill effects of too many carbs and sugar as opposed to real foods

Explain how "carbs" and "sugar" are not real foods.

[COZ999]

I think he said only "so much" protein is necessary, and after that point, perhaps choosing a fuel source that your body can use more readily like carbs would make more sense than continuing to add protein. Nowhere did anyone imply or say protein wasn't important.

Did you deliberately take that out of context???

that was sarcasm. I take in 650c and 350p. My carbs are higher, yes but protein increased as well

[BG_1]

The irony!

You post pictures of yourself nearly naked on a website to show off your striated glutes! And you say I'm abnormal because I don't eat 3422345872345 grams of protein per day?

its a body-building website what do you think he would have as his picture, brah is swole, you have a strong h4te for people with avis dont you guy?

[RuckstaR]

No. Whoever thinks the "fire and wood" analogy is adequate does not understand basic physiology.

Hee Hee

[devo09]

Wouldnt u rather replace the carbs with proteins? Even things out a bit? Or is that too normal

Well Broseph...not only is consuming an abnormally high amount of protein not beneficial, it may be detrimental as your body becomes refractory to amino acids...

So please, stop reading your "Flex" or "Muscle and Fitness" magazines and try to educate yourself with actual facts

[RuckstaR]

that was sarcasm. I take in 650c and 350p. My carbs are higher, yes but protein increased as well

Ok good, I almost had a heart attack on that one, lol.

You know what they say about sarcasm on the internet...

[COZ999]

Well Broseph...not only is consuming an abnormally high amount of protein not beneficial, it may be detrimental as your body becomes refractory to amino acids...

So please, stop reading your "Flex" or "Muscle and Fitness" magazines and try to educate yourself with actual facts

so 1.4g is too much now? offseason 2g per lb? hmm

[imccarthy]

so 1.4g is too much now? offseason 2g per lb? hmm

Yes, that is excessive by any definition.

[Emma-Leigh]

its official hes a puny homosexual democrat. Sucks!

what does that even mean? That a bb.com is gonna show up at my doorstep

Warned.

Neg'd.

And this thread is now closed.