Does it make you mad when people say vegetarian diets are healthiest?

[flat6]

Personally, I'm a vaginatarian.

[how2quitdrinkin]

I had a g/f that was a vegetarian and she got fatter and fatter as the relationship went on.

Meat is awesome, and as long as youre not eating fast food and junk food all day, you can live a healthy life.

[stancel]

Being a recovering vegetarian myself I feel I can comment on this.. It doesnt make me mad but I was a "vegetarian" and last time I checked 20% bodyfat isnt healthy. I was living of pizza margeritas, chips, coke, crisps, cheese and chocolate to name a few. Just because I didnt eat meat and was a vegetarian didnt mean I ate healthy foods and vegetables. My saturated fat intake was horendous.

This is true, however many vegans and vegetarians do not do it for health reasons. This is why some are fat - because some vegans are interested in the ethical / moral issues moreso and don't really care about exercise/ healthy eating. A lot care about both - but some just care about the ethical issues.

[flat6]

This is true, however many vegans and vegetarians do not do it for health reasons. This is why some are fat - because some vegans are interested in the ethical / moral issues moreso and don't really care about exercise/ healthy eating. A lot care about both - but some just care about the ethical issues.

I take issue with people who are vegetarian for moral reasons.

Boycotting the meat industry is such a pathetic form of protesting. That's like refusing to buy german goods during the holocaust. You aren't solving any problems by abstaining. If these people really felt strongly about their cause, they would volunteer or chain themselves to slaughter houses. For the most part, I think moral vegetarians are shallow and just as bad as those "go green" *******s.

Don't get me started on moral vegetarians who wear leather.

[SumDumGoi]

if these people really felt strongly about their cause, they would volunteer or chain themselves to slaughter houses.

wtf?

[stancel]

I take issue with people who are vegetarian for moral reasons.

Boycotting the meat industry is such a pathetic form of protesting. That's like refusing to buy german goods during the holocaust. You aren't solving any problems by abstaining. If these people really felt strongly about their cause, they would volunteer or chain themselves to slaughter houses. For the most part, I think moral vegetarians are shallow and just as bad as those "go green" *******s.

Don't get me started on moral vegetarians who wear leather.

I think the fact you compared the meat industry to the Holocaust is revealing.
If most people felt that way, a lot of people would not eat animal products.

I don't understand what volunteering themselves for slaughter accomplishes, besides killing themselves, it's not going to stop anything, all they would do is beef up security there (pun intended).

I don't think a lot of vegetarians wear leather. Most stores have non-leather belts and non-leather shoes....

[flat6]

I think the fact you compared the meat industry to the Holocaust is revealing.
If most people felt that way, a lot of people would not eat animal products.

I don't understand what volunteering themselves for slaughter accomplishes, besides killing themselves, it's not going to stop anything, all they would do is beef up security there (pun intended).

I don't think a lot of vegetarians wear leather. Most stores have non-leather belts and non-leather shoes....

Next time you come across a vegetarian activist, talk to them. My holocaust simile is pretty accurate to how they perceive the meat industry.

If someone feels that strongly about a cause, why are they not putting in their time to support it? Boycotting something is not spending time supporting it.

[flat6]

wtf?

LOL, okay, an extreme example.

[a_miller_76]

I'll listen to a vegetarian cry about the "meat industry" when they go live in the woods and survive off berries and stuff. I've worked enough farms in my day to know that being a vegetarian accounts for a serious number of dead animals. Between the machines chewing them up in the fields and the land/habitat destroyed they're just about as "evil". Life requires death, period. Death of a cow or a carrot, it's all the same.


Now if someone just chooses to be a vegie for the diet purpose and not preach their meat hate at me I have no problem with it at all.

[SumDumGoi]

LOL, okay, an extreme example.

First, not all vegetarians are rampant PETA supporters. Second, you're an idiot.

[odin673]

I know what you mean. Some vegetarians think that everything is black and white. I eat meat, but I don't eat fast food. There are healthy and unhealthy meat eaters, just like there are healthy and unhealthy vegetarians. I knew this one dude that was easily 300 pounds at 5 10'. This dude devoured pasta like no other and never exercised.

[lateralus87]

I'm sure vegetarianism can be a healthy diet, but is it at all advisable for an athlete(esp bodybuilders)? I see no reason for it being bad for someone who just wants to stay thin and in shape but it has got to make it hard to get 150+ grams of protein into your diet... With a vegan diet it would be virtually impossible, especially proteins sources with a complete set of amino acids...

[SumDumGoi]

I'm sure vegetarianism can be a healthy diet, but is it at all advisable for an athlete(esp bodybuilders)? I see no reason for it being bad for someone who just wants to stay thin and in shape but it has got to make it hard to get 150+ grams of protein into your diet... With a vegan diet it would be virtually impossible, especially proteins sources with a complete set of amino acids...

They can still get plenty of protein. Just eat 2 of the 3 categories and you will most likely be getting all of your essential amino acids

1) Nuts & seeds
2) wheats and grains
3) Legumes

[djansen]

vegetarians dont piss me off, more meat for me.

what pisses me off is when people become vegetarians for moral reasons without knowing what the heck they are doing and become deficiant in protein and minerals.

[spherenine]

They can still get plenty of protein. Just eat 2 of the 3 categories and you will most likely be getting all of your essential amino acids

1) Nuts & seeds
2) wheats and grains
3) Legumes

Man, more power to whomever finds massive amounts of that stuff palatable. I love peanuts as much as the next guy, but it's just so much easier to get in a bunch of protein with a nice lean piece of meat or fish. Vegetarians can at least throw some whey protein in some milk. I realize that it is perfectly possible to get a lot of protein from vegan foods, but that can't be fun.

[gjohnson5]

Repped. This is one of the best damn posts I have seen on this entire forum.

????

You must not read the forums much to rep such common knowledge and a clearly obvious point made to emphasis that humans eat veggies AND meat

[gjohnson5]

Here are a few recent reviews on the subject. Feel free to criticize their conclusions based on the available literature.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

Dr. Horse must = Mr Horse
You get a doctorate or something?

Anyway I agree with you in several areas
1. metabolic acidosis
2. digestive health (since cellulose plant food can act as fiber)
3. lowered calories compared to processed foods
4. Whole food sources instead of processed foods
5. vitamins , minerals , antioxidants , polyphenols , and other undiscovered chemicals
6. reduced cholesterol over meat diets

A veggie diet definitely has benefits.
IMHO I agree with the omnivore post however.
A balanced diet is still the best way to go

[Dr. Horse]

Dr. Horse must = Mr Horse
You get a doctorate or something?

Anyway I agree with you in several areas
1. metabolic acidosis
2. digestive health (since cellulose plant food can act as fiber)
3. lowered calories compared to processed foods
4. Whole food sources instead of processed foods
5. vitamins , minerals , antioxidants , polyphenols , and other undiscovered chemicals
6. reduced cholesterol over meat diets

A veggie diet definitely has benefits.
IMHO I agree with the omnivore post however.
A balanced diet is still the best way to go

I am the poster formerly known as Mr. Horse.


I'm not sure what you agree with, as I never stated a position on the matter. I eat meat, if that's what you were getting at.

[want2bsxy]

My 14 year old daughter is a vegetarian. She was vegan for a year. I don't think the diet is any healthier than eating clean.

[RapidFiyah]

My 14 year old daughter is a vegetarian. She was vegan for a year. I don't think the diet is any healthier than eating clean.

I wouldn't let my 14 year old daughter be a vegan.

You should have stressed to her how silly it is.

[gjohnson5]

I am the poster formerly known as Mr. Horse.


I'm not sure what you agree with, as I never stated a position on the matter. I eat meat, if that's what you were getting at.

The posts you were responding to seemed to disagree that vegetarian diets yielded any health benefits and the science was poorly done on the subject.
I agree that vegetarian diets do infact have health benefits.

For myself as a bodybuilder (wanna be) I eat meat as well

[Dr. Horse]

The posts you were responding to seemed to disagree that vegetarian diets yielded any health benefits and the science was poorly done on the subject.
I agree that vegetarian diets do infact have health benefits.

For myself as a bodybuilder (wanna be) I eat meat as well

Ok, from your post I thought perhaps you thought I was a vegetarian, and promoting it. But that is not the case. But as you say, there probably are health benefits. However, it is my opinion that the benefits of vegetarianism are more due to the inclusion of fruits and vegetables than the exclusion of meat (though it plays a part as well). Hence, I believe that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables that also includes meat can be almost as healthy, and in my opinion, infinitely more enjoyable.