first time insulin user

SEMPER_BIG · 05-24-2009, 11:38 AM

I dont really have any questions about insulin, i just want to hear some of your experiences and gains, and whether you had any problems.

next cycle starts in mid june:

Test E with Test P- 800mg/wk 12wks
Tren Ace- 100mg EOD 8wks
Anadrol- 80mg/day 5wks
humalog- 2-6 IU's post workout *only on training days*

I will be ordering 4 packs of ABB carbo force drinks which contain 100grams of dextrose and maldextrine and I will be carrying these around with me where ever I go AT ALL TIMES. Of course ill have my post injection carb drink/meal on top of that as well.

just curious about your experiences with slin.

javin86 · 05-24-2009, 12:00 PM

not much to add.

good luck with it bro.

TripTastic · 05-24-2009, 01:06 PM

slin all ready?>

SEMPER_BIG · 05-24-2009, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripTastic

slin all ready?>

yep.

browndustin · 05-24-2009, 06:33 PM

You sure you're ready, bro? You've only done like 1 cycle. Not saying that you're not well developed because you ARE a tank, but you need to be very cognizant about your body. Plan with AAS a little while longer.

beaucephus · 05-24-2009, 06:33 PM

You're going to end up using more slin than you set out to here.

You're starting out the right way though, but eventually, after seeing what it does to you, you're going to be at 15iu/shot and 2-3 shots per day of slin. Take my word for it.

SEMPER_BIG · 05-24-2009, 06:58 PM

i was wanting to hear some user's experience with slin, like how did you like it, what were you're gains etc.

btw using slin is not so much a big deal as long as you're educated and always on the cautious side. avoiding any dangers of slin is common sense, always have dextrose readily availbe at all times, know the type of slin you are using, and how long it takes to take full effect, when to time your carbs and food etc....

anyways back to the thread, anyone care to share their experiences?

beaucephus · 05-24-2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

i was wanting to hear some user's experience with slin, like how did you like it, what were you're gains etc.

btw using slin is not so much a big deal as long as you're educated and always on the cautious side. avoiding any dangers of slin is common sense, always have dextrose readily availbe at all times, know the type of slin you are using, and how long it takes to take full effect, when to time your carbs and food etc....

anyways back to the thread, anyone care to share their experiences?

Obviously I speak from personal experience only, I don't know if everyone else reacts the way I do to any drug. I will also add that I react greatly to GH and IGF-1, whereas I've heard of others not seeing much results off of it.

Without having the actual journals in front of me, I can only say that I was stuck at ~265lbs a while back and after taking Slin for a few months, I was over 300lbs. Your body has no choice but to grow when you take it. For me, I wouldn't do a AAS cycle without it, but I would without HGH or IGF-1.

As far as a pure-mass drug, Insulin is the #1 thing that I've taken and you can buy it over the counter at any drug store without a script. I don't really know why it's gotten such a bad rap, but figure, just like anything that works, people are more ignorant of it and only pay attention to the detrimental effects.

Would I recommend someone who wants to "put on a couple pounds" taking slin? NO!

However, if you're dedicated to this craft of bb'ing, you're doing yourself a huge disservice not taking it.

SEMPER_BIG · 05-24-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaucephus

Obviously I speak from personal experience only, I don't know if everyone else reacts the way I do to any drug. I will also add that I react greatly to GH and IGF-1, whereas I've heard of others not seeing much results off of it.

Without having the actual journals in front of me, I can only say that I was stuck at ~265lbs a while back and after taking Slin for a few months, I was over 300lbs. Your body has no choice but to grow when you take it. For me, I wouldn't do a AAS cycle without it, but I would without HGH or IGF-1.

As far as a pure-mass drug, Insulin is the #1 thing that I've taken and you can buy it over the counter at any drug store without a script. I don't really know why it's gotten such a bad rap, but figure, just like anything that works, people are more ignorant of it and only pay attention to the detrimental effects.

Would I recommend someone who wants to "put on a couple pounds" taking slin? NO!

However, if you're dedicated to this craft of bb'ing, you're doing yourself a huge disservice not taking it.

Thank you, finally someone with experience makes a post!

did you inject on training days only? how high did you get up to (I.U.'s)

duration? Im planning on 4 weeks only.

TripTastic · 05-24-2009, 10:33 PM

yea...no help here....however if anabolic-authority.com good info there.

AnabolicMaximus · 05-24-2009, 10:54 PM

damn thats one hell of a cycle.. wayy too much if you ask me.

Been working with palumbo and he is a strong advocate of 250mg of Test EOD along with Tren 75mg EOD - as the bread and butter bulk stack... no need for orals and DEFINITELY no need for slin..

Like he always says.. "You should be able to get to 250lbs without GH and Insulin..."

I dont know bro, I wouldnt use the strongest **** available right from the beginning - its about longevity, but whatever its your body

just my .02/

jkastil223 · 05-25-2009, 07:07 AM

well the only advice i can give you is that those carbo force drinks seem a little over the top to counteract a low blood sugar, any grocery store or pharmacy will have dex tablets and just have couple of those. if you want to take insulin this bad, ill give you my diabetes so you can take tons of insulin =) hahaha

someone above said you can get humalog at the pharmacy with no script, i have never heard of anyone getting insulin without one, how do you get your humalog? I have been a humalog user for well over 10 years now, i can answer questions as relates to the insulin not so much about the body building side =)

SEMPER_BIG · 05-25-2009, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripTastic

yea...no help here....however if anabolic-authority.com good info there.

yea bro i just made my first thread over there, same topic, maybe people that have acutally used slin will chime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnabolicMaximus

damn thats one hell of a cycle.. wayy too much if you ask me.

Been working with palumbo and he is a strong advocate of 250mg of Test EOD along with Tren 75mg EOD - as the bread and butter bulk stack... no need for orals and DEFINITELY no need for slin..

Like he always says.. "You should be able to get to 250lbs without GH and Insulin..."

I dont know bro, I wouldnt use the strongest **** available right from the beginning - its about longevity, but whatever its your body

just my .02/

wow strong unaware. thanks for your 2 cents.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkastil223

well the only advice i can give you is that those carbo force drinks seem a little over the top to counteract a low blood sugar, any grocery store or pharmacy will have dex tablets and just have couple of those. if you want to take insulin this bad, ill give you my diabetes so you can take tons of insulin =) hahaha

someone above said you can get humalog at the pharmacy with no script, i have never heard of anyone getting insulin without one, how do you get your humalog? I have been a humalog user for well over 10 years now, i can answer questions as relates to the insulin not so much about the body building side =)

cool man, how much is the dose (I.U.s) for you. how many years have you been a diebetic?

do you always carry a glucometer with you?

jkastil223 · 05-25-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

cool man, how much is the dose (I.U.s) for you. how many years have you been a diebetic?

do you always carry a glucometer with you?

i am on a pump, i basal on training days about 1 unit an hour and off days about 1.3 an hour. for each meal i take anywhere between 2-9 units depending on the meal and if i just worked out or not. I have been diabetic for 12 years and pumping for about half that, by pumping i mean on an insulin pump. yes i always have a meter on me and tabs, especially on a day i trained becuase my sugar can drop quick and i wont realize it, low blood sugars can be dangerous. i have blacked out before and i woke up with people shoving my face with food, not fun, be careful, not sure how your pancreas will react to a artifically introduced insulin

beaucephus · 05-25-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

Thank you, finally someone with experience makes a post!

did you inject on training days only? how high did you get up to (I.U.'s)

duration? Im planning on 4 weeks only.

Yes, training days only, but keep in mind when running SLIN, almost every day (1 day off for good measure) becomes a training day. Hell, I was even training 2x's a day while running SLIN/DNP/HGH/IGF-1/Test. You become a muscle building machine and your body has no other option but to continue to grow. Extremely unhealthy though and I came close to death a couple times from overexertion & hypoglycemia.

I started out just like everyone is advised, but within a couple days was up to 10iu/injection. I did it an hour preworkout and in the locker room post workout. (as fast as possible). Bring a big shake with 75gms protein / 150gms carbs. Drink one of these preworkout with the injection and one post workout. HGH is active for ~6hrs in your system, so no need to risk bringing that around with you throughout the day. Slin is legal, so no fear of anyone catching you with it. The IGF I would wait until an hour after I took the slin shot and quickly eat my post workout meal.

This is a recipe for insane growth, but realize that you most likely WILL become a lifetime diabetic and you WILL be risking the length of that lifetime.

I'm only telling you this information because I see such a severe lack of others giving information on Slin. I had to go into it fairly blind and almost killed myself on a couple occasions. I can't even begin to explain the amount of hours i've speant learning what each of these compounds does in the body. I suggest anyone else reading do the same so you can know what it is you're feeling when things happen and how to counter those good or bad things.

angeldevil · 05-26-2009, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaucephus

This is a recipe for insane growth, but realize that you most likely WILL become a lifetime diabetic and you WILL be risking the length of that lifetime.

on what basis do you say this? (I'm not attacking, just trying to understand)

gekkoboy14 · 05-26-2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angeldevil

on what basis do you say this? (I'm not attacking, just trying to understand)

x2..

beaucephus · 05-26-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angeldevil

on what basis do you say this? (I'm not attacking, just trying to understand)

Unlike exogeneous testosterone, where your testes "remember" how to make testosterone within a short while after usage, exogenous insulin has been shown to make people dependant upon it. Your body entirely stops making its own after a while. There's no set amount that you can take safely, but it's pretty much gauranteed that if you take it for a long period of time, you will become a diabetic.

beaucephus · 05-26-2009, 11:08 AM

Again, lets not have every 18yr old running out and buying a bottle of Humulin-R to see how fun the use of insulin is. Not a good idea and unless you've got years of experience with AAS use and have hit a wall, I don't recommend it to anyone. You can be a beast without it.

However, since the high risk of death won't deter a select few, here's a good protocol to follow while taking Slin. I recommend anyone taking it be at least 250lbs since that's easily attainable with simple AAS use for anyone over 5'9"

Week 1 - ?, (work your way up to) 15iu Slin in the a.m. & post workout (150gm carbs / 75gm protein within 10 minutes of injection)
Week 1 - ?, 1-1.5gm/week Testosterone Propianate
Week 1 - ?, 100mg Methandrostenolone (D-Bol) / day
Week 1 - ?, As much HGH as you can afford, 1 shot every 6 hours
Week 1 - ?, 100 - 120mcg IGF-1 broken into 2 shots, 1 a.m. shot and one Post workout shot

Supplements:

Hydroxycitric Acid (very important)
Clenbuterol
Cytomel T3
ECA Stack (DNP is much better if you can get it)
Creatine
Glutamine (its cheap, take it)

DO NOT EAT FATS DURING THE DAY! Can't stress this enough, only carbs & protein from 2 hours before your insulin shot to 6 hours after.

If I think of anything else, I will add it.

gekkoboy14 · 05-26-2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaucephus

Unlike exogeneous testosterone, where your testes "remember" how to make testosterone within a short while after usage, exogenous insulin has been shown to make people dependant upon it. Your body entirely stops making its own after a while. There's no set amount that you can take safely, but it's pretty much gauranteed that if you take it for a long period of time, you will become a diabetic.

links? Info?

beaucephus · 05-26-2009, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gekkoboy14

links? Info?

You're not going to find a line of human test subjects for this experiment and I honestly beleive the hype is overdone. The beta cells DO shut down while taking exo-slin, but they also shut down during sleep at night. My honest opinion is you could run Slin 3-4 times daily for several months or even a year+ without becoming insulin dependant, or even cycle off insulin, I just don't want to be responsible for delivering this information to the person that becomes slin dependant after a few weeks of usage. The threat is there, it should be noted.

angeldevil · 05-26-2009, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaucephus

Unlike exogeneous testosterone, where your testes "remember" how to make testosterone within a short while after usage, exogenous insulin has been shown to make people dependant upon it. Your body entirely stops making its own after a while. There's no set amount that you can take safely, but it's pretty much gauranteed that if you take it for a long period of time, you will become a diabetic.

But isn't this true just if you run insuline for a long period and almost all day long? Most users will do short cycle and use it mainly post workout, this means that during the rest of the day the body will have to produce insuline on its own. This shouln't lead to diabete. Did I miss some passage?

weltweitefurcht · 05-27-2009, 01:13 AM

Exogenous insulin can be beta cell sparing. Insulin is used in longevity cycles for anti aging. In appropriate dosages it really helps spare beta cells. I'll post up some stuff later on it. (midnight here and going to sleep soon) (not trying to start an argument, just throwing some stuff out there) Also I've learned of ways to restore burnt out beta cell in the body, using certain things. Protocols are being done in different parts of the world with interesting outcomes.

I also agree VERY STRONGLY about using Hydroxycitric Acid during the protocol.

Long acting insulin protocols also don't really cause fat storage issues, so I can continue eating my good fats and limit fat retention

beaucephus · 05-27-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angeldevil

But isn't this true just if you run insuline for a long period and almost all day long? Most users will do short cycle and use it mainly post workout, this means that during the rest of the day the body will have to produce insuline on its own. This shouln't lead to diabete. Did I miss some passage?

No, you're not missing anything. The only "missing passage" is the individual and their bodies reaction to the drug. Insulin affects people in very different ways. Some can take 5iu's and will go hypo with 100gms of carbs ingested while others (like me) can take 6gms/iu and be fine. However, the adverse affects (coma / death) are so great, that your mind tends to drag all side affects into the same light.

Again, I personally don't think anyone taking insulin for bb'ing purposes is going to become dependant after a couple months worth of injections, but everybody reacts differently to drugs and should be aware of the threat.

angeldevil · 05-27-2009, 01:41 PM

why it is important Hydroxycitric Acid? I read it slows peaks of insuline, but isn't a peak what we are looking for if we take it PWO?

beaucephus · 05-27-2009, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angeldevil

why it is important Hydroxycitric Acid? I read it slows peaks of insuline, but isn't a peak what we are looking for if we take it PWO?

It inhibits an enzyme called ATP citrate lyase, which basically converts carbs to fat. This normally isn't a big deal since anticardiolipin levels are very low in normal people (people who aren't taking exo-slin). However, insulin drastically increases ACL levels, accounting for most of the fat gain associated with insulin use.

What that means to you? Benefit of muscle gain without the worry of packing on fat.

beaucephus · 05-27-2009, 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=momod;335683981]...QUOTE]

Insulin is legal to buy at any pharmacy in the US by any person of any age.

Humulog you will need a script for.

meanmo · 05-27-2009, 05:43 PM

[QUOTE=beaucephus;335684841]

Quote:

Originally Posted by momod

...QUOTE]

Insulin is legal to buy at any pharmacy in the US by any person of any age.

Humulog you will need a script for.

I just read that it varies by state actually and only the old natural slins you can get otc.. some states will sell you a legend insulin but require scripts for the pins... you can look it up by state.. in AZ is says pins and slin are ok but ive never been to a pharm that will sell it..Mexico on the other hand..

http://www.isletsofhope.com/diabetes...tion-laws.html

beaucephus · 05-27-2009, 06:04 PM

[QUOTE=momod;335685951]

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaucephus

I just read that it varies by state actually and only the old natural slins you can get otc.. some states will sell you a legend insulin but require scripts for the pins... you can look it up by state.. in AZ is says pins and slin are ok but ive never been to a pharm that will sell it..Mexico on the other hand..

http://www.isletsofhope.com/diabetes...tion-laws.html

You're right, I should have thought about state vs fed law.

I can only speak of CA law. However, I can't imagine a pharmacist would let someone die in the lobby because they didn't have a script.

SEMPER_BIG · 09-15-2009, 04:52 AM

So i never did start this cycle on time...got damn busy with school and work for a couple months and couldnt really focus on BBing...

Started this thing about 10 days ago. Test/tren ace/anadrol/slin looking to put on 20lbs starting weight was 200lbs. Anybody thats intrested ill be posting progress pics throughout this thing. My diet is simple, going to be eating everything and anything.