PP or SD for mass and strength?

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Only if you have ran both as standalone, dont vote otherwise, but do give your opinions if you wish. If you have tried both and one was better please give reasons, thanks.

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-22-2009, 02:28 PM

Wow 5 votes for SD, none for PP, could you comment why, thanks.

Gator87 · 05-22-2009, 02:57 PM

There is no comparison, and if you had done the slightest amount of research you would know why. Madol (PP) is highly anabolic, but not very androgenic. Androgens promote strength gains. That said, PP may land you a bit more lean mass after PCT, but with less strength gains.
Therefore: SD is better for strength.
PP is probably better for mass.

That said, you're still a bit young. And neither of those is a good 1st DS.

norcalsfinest · 05-22-2009, 03:16 PM

[QUOTE=Gator87;333514871]There is no comparison, and if you had done the slightest amount of research you would know why. Madol (PP) is highly anabolic, but not very androgenic. Androgens promote strength gains. That said, PP may land you a bit more lean mass after PCT, but with less strength gains.
Therefore: SD is better for strength.
PP is probably better for mass.

That said, you're still a bit young. And neither of those is a good 1st DS.[/QUOTE

really because phera is more androgenic than superdrol...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...one-chart.html

Gator87 · 05-22-2009, 03:30 PM

[QUOTE=norcalsfinest;333521681]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator87

There is no comparison, and if you had done the slightest amount of research you would know why. Madol (PP) is highly anabolic, but not very androgenic. Androgens promote strength gains. That said, PP may land you a bit more lean mass after PCT, but with less strength gains.
Therefore: SD is better for strength.
PP is probably better for mass.

That said, you're still a bit young. And neither of those is a good 1st DS.[/QUOTE

really because phera is more androgenic than superdrol...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...one-chart.html

As far as Q ratios go, you're correct. Let me look into this a little more. There has to be another explanation (i.e. A:A ratios don't account for everything).

Chaosvash · 05-22-2009, 03:32 PM

[QUOTE=norcalsfinest;333521681]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator87

There is no comparison, and if you had done the slightest amount of research you would know why. Madol (PP) is highly anabolic, but not very androgenic. Androgens promote strength gains. That said, PP may land you a bit more lean mass after PCT, but with less strength gains.
Therefore: SD is better for strength.
PP is probably better for mass.

That said, you're still a bit young. And neither of those is a good 1st DS.[/QUOTE

really because phera is more androgenic than superdrol...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...one-chart.html

Yea and epi is more anabolic and androgenic then sd too according to that chart...

But note how it sais...

"Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds."

Gator87 · 05-22-2009, 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=Chaosvash;333528271]

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalsfinest

Yea and epi is more anabolic and androgenic then sd too according to that chart...

But note how it sais...

"Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds."

Thank you very much. That bit about AR binding affinity is what I was looking for.
You really can't judge a compound merely by how it affects a rat's prostate. lol

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-22-2009, 04:46 PM

Dont treat me like a child and think i haevnt done research when i have, on another forum poeple find PP and SD = similar gains, but PP is a longer cycle, compared to SD 3 weeks. I know stuff about it was just asking for opinions on which one you feel is better.

I know im only 20 but ive ran epi already properly. And plan to use Sd or PP as my next cycle hence why im asking.

vazquez · 05-22-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sho Iceman Vij

Dont treat me like a child and think i haevnt done research when i have, on another forum poeple find PP and SD = similar gains, but PP is a longer cycle, compared to SD 3 weeks. I know stuff about it was just asking for opinions on which one you feel is better.

I know im only 20 but ive ran epi already properly. And plan to use Sd or PP as my next cycle hence why im asking.

what were your gains with epi? how much of it did you keep?

many who have cycled epi and/or halodrol and/or bold usually try a tren clone next.

many many many members have claimed that pp and sd should be used by over 21+ and many even stated over 25+ with at least a good 4-5 years of weight training.

not flaming, but you are really young and sub 200 lbs at 6'+.

you still have room to gain naturally since you are at/near your hormonal and metabolic peak.

MoreBreakdowns · 05-22-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sho Iceman Vij

Dont treat me like a child and think i haevnt done research when i have, on another forum poeple find PP and SD = similar gains, but PP is a longer cycle, compared to SD 3 weeks. I know stuff about it was just asking for opinions on which one you feel is better.

I know im only 20 but ive ran epi already properly. And plan to use Sd or PP as my next cycle hence why im asking.

so you were < 180 pounds when you ran your first cycle? did you even try to gain naturally before that?

JACKED88 · 05-22-2009, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vazquez

what were your gains with epi? how much of it did you keep?

many who have cycled epi and/or halodrol and/or bold usually try a tren clone next.

many many many members have claimed that pp and sd should be used by over 21+ and many even stated over 25+ with at least a good 4-5 years of weight training.

not flaming, but you are really young and sub 200 lbs at 6'+.

you still have room to gain naturally since you are at/near your hormonal and metabolic peak.

agreed. no offense but you have no business running anything hormonal at your age / height to weight ratio... ur still pretty skinny =/

em-dubya · 05-22-2009, 08:01 PM

I voted for PP because its sides are alot less than SD

..thats why i feel its better.

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-23-2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vazquez

what were your gains with epi? how much of it did you keep?

many who have cycled epi and/or halodrol and/or bold usually try a tren clone next.

many many many members have claimed that pp and sd should be used by over 21+ and many even stated over 25+ with at least a good 4-5 years of weight training.

not flaming, but you are really young and sub 200 lbs at 6'+.

you still have room to gain naturally since you are at/near your hormonal and metabolic peak.

I kept 6lbs from epi. I know i have started steriods tooe early but i made a decision i wanted to and i did by performing the cycle as safely as i could.

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-23-2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em-dubya

I voted for PP because its sides are alot less than SD

..thats why i feel its better.

Thanks bro.

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-23-2009, 05:07 AM

How long would you's run SD for 3 weeks? What about PP? 4/5/6 weeks?

bullsh-tartist · 05-23-2009, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vazquez

what were your gains with epi? how much of it did you keep?

many who have cycled epi and/or halodrol and/or bold usually try a tren clone next.

many many many members have claimed that pp and sd should be used by over 21+ and many even stated over 25+ with at least a good 4-5 years of weight training.

not flaming, but you are really young and sub 200 lbs at 6'+.

you still have room to gain naturally since you are at/near your hormonal and metabolic peak.

said almost perfectly, especially the part about you being too young and too skinny. why not build a more solid base first?? what's the rush??

Sho Iceman Vij · 05-23-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bullsh-tartist

said almost perfectly, especially the part about you being too young and too skinny. why not build a more solid base first?? what's the rush??

There was no rush i just wanted a boost to training, ill be the first to say i know ive started to early but its done and dusted and no point going on about it now.