More single women are having babies

[SYRIANKID]

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.as...menu368_2_15_1

Other findings in the report include:

Countries with a higher percentage of births to unwed mothers than recorded in the United States include Iceland (66 percent), Sweden (55 percent), Norway (54 percent), France (50 percent), Denmark (46 percent) and the U.K. (44 percent).

Countries with lower rates of out-of-wedlock births than the United States include Ireland (33 percent), Germany (30 percent), Canada (30 percent), Spain (28 percent), Italy (21 percent) and Japan (2 percent).

In the United States, out-of-wedlock births are highest among women in their early 20s and lowest among girls younger than 18 and women older than 35.

The majority of births to teens are to unmarried teens. For those aged 15 to 17, 93 percent of births are out-of-wedlock, as are 84 percent of births to teens 18 to 19 years old.

Among women in their 20s, 45 percent of births are to those who are not married. In 2007, among women 20 to 24 years old, 60 percent of births were out-of-wedlock, up from 52 percent in 2002. Almost 33 percent of births to women 25 to 29 years old were out-of-wedlock in 2007, up from 25 percent in 2002.

Hispanic women have the highest out-of-wedlock birth rate (106 births per 1,000). The rate for black women is 72 per 1,000 births; for white women, it's 32 per 1,000.

[ZenBowman]

Hispanic women have the highest out-of-wedlock birth rate (106 births per 1,000). The rate for black women is 72 per 1,000 births; for white women, it's 32 per 1,000.[/b]

U blaming the Mexicans?






















j/k

[6-SPEED]

Not that many women these days that are "marriage material" unless you're desperate.

[SYRIANKID]

Not that many women these days that are "marriage material" unless you're desperate.

Why do you think that's happening?

[ZenBowman]

Why do you think that's happening?

1) Marriage is overblown, divorce is stigmatized (leading to less people getting married)
2) Increased materialism, decreasing spirituality
3) Lack of faith in the system and growing irrelevance of religious leaders

A spiritual revolution is coming, but first the ones in power (both in religious and in secular power) will fall. When false Gods like money, power and fame are worshiped instead of seeking the truth, this is bound to happen. However, I am not in favor of legislating morality, as that merely attacks the symptom, not the cause. What needs to happen is a cultural revolution. The mingling of different religions and cultures weakens an existing system, but eventually a new, more cohesive, more loving culture will emerge.

Notice in Japan, which is an agnostic/atheistic society, the level of out-of wedlock births is very, very low. Lower than most religious societies. Why is that?

[Melkor]

That's crazy. Thank God I'm Mormon (serious).

106 unwed births per 1,000 women? Wow.

[SYRIANKID]

1) Marriage is overblown, divorce is stigmatized (leading to less people getting married)
2) Increased materialism, decreasing spirituality
3) Lack of faith in the system and growing irrelevance of religious leaders

A spiritual revolution is coming, but first the ones in power (both in religious and in secular power) will fall.

I meant why are people not "marriage material" these days.

[ZenBowman]

I meant why are people not "marriage material" these days.

Again, I go back to the Japanese example. An atheistic/agnostic country with only 2% of births being out of wedlock.

Mingling of different cultures initially destroys a culture, until a new one emerges. The traditional cultural institutions, such as marriage, are breaking down. New ones will emerge.

Until the new ones emerge, materialism reigns supreme. And it is not a philosophy that lends itself well to producing good maidens for marriage.

[frankenstein]

Why do you think that's happening?

I disagree with the other poster who said these days people are less marriage material. That's BS. That's like saying "oh kids these days," something adults have been saying for thousands of years. I would say even though people live more in cities than ever before, we are more disconnected than ever before. Technology plays a role. There are a lot more Travis Bickle's out there.

[ZenBowman]

I disagree with the other poster who said these days people are less marriage material. That's BS. That's like saying "oh kids these days," something adults have been saying for thousands of years. I would say even though people live more in cities than ever before, we are more disconnected than ever before. Technology plays a role. There are a lot more Travis Bickle's out there.

Very good points. People ignore that despite these pitfalls, we are still way better off than we were in the religious dark ages where thought was controlled and life was regulated.

[6-SPEED]

I disagree with the other poster who said these days people are less marriage material. That's BS. That's like saying "oh kids these days," something adults have been saying for thousands of years. I would say even though people live more in cities than ever before, we are more disconnected than ever before. Technology plays a role. There are a lot more Travis Bickle's out there.

I respectfully disagree

Things are obviously changing these days and marriage just isn't what it used to be. Just look at the divorce rate! People are getting married for all the wrong reasons. Women are becoming more career oriented and less family oriented. When women entered the work force that drove the cost of living sky high where now it almost requires a working spouse to support a household with kids.

Also, you have to look at the "independent woman" craze. Many women do not want to be in relationships any more. They're quick to say "I don't need a man!!". The problem is, they're still going to have sex. Now if they have an unexpected preganancy, it's not with a boyfriend or a guy who she actually cares about, it's with a random guy she thought was cute.

All these things contribute to the rise is single mothers.

[6-SPEED]

Saying "oh the kids these days" actually does hold water. When have kids had to raise themselves more than in the present time? We have kids with parents but they receive no parenting because both parents are always at work or their single parent is at work. Kids ARE worse than ever!

[ZenBowman]

I respectully disagree

Things are obviously changing these days and marriage just isn't what it used to be.

Ah, the fear of change. Things have always been changing. Marriage is never what it used to be, it always is what it is. Nothing is what it used to be, that is the nature of life.

You are not what you used to be either. When you do not stay the same, why do you expect the world to do so?

[6-SPEED]

Ah, the fear of change. Things have always been changing. Marriage is never what it used to be, it always is what it is. Nothing is what it used to be, that is the nature of life.

You are not what you used to be either. When you do not stay the same, why do you expect the world to do so?

I stated that things are changing but I never said I feared the change. I'm not looking to get married anytime soon. This new explosion of women willing to give up sex outside of marriage is currently working in my favor.

[ZenBowman]

I stated that things are changing but I never said I feared the change. I'm not looking to get married anytime soon. This new explosion of women willing to give up sex outside of marriage is currently working in my favor.

In that case, you are fine son.

[9987]

Well, I don't think we concluded that giving birth unmarried means being a single.

I cannot conclude just with the data present about whether these are truthful or even meaningful at best.

For instance, I just researched and discovered this about Sweden and other Scandinavian countries,

"In many Scandinavian countries, cohabitating heterosexual couples have most of the same rights as married couples, which obviously reduces incentives for a cohabitating couple to marry."

Again this can perfectly explain unmarried women giving birth and shows that because someone is unmarried and giving birth does not mean they are single.

So really how many other countries have scenarios similar to this that will decrease marriage rates?

[ripper6]

Why do you think that's happening?

Since the 1960s, the secularization and de-christianization of general life has caused a societal landslide - downhill. The media, the schools, etc., clothes designers, etc., have basically undermined traditional family values and coached girls/women to be selfish sluts.

Watch some of the episodes of "Sex in the City" and you'll see it is really should have been called "Sluts in the City". It was creating a model for girls and young women, that being a slut is "cool".

Unfortunately, the ones who suffer are the poor little bastards they give birth to - if they don't kill them with an abortion first.

It is all symptomatic of a post-christian west. You might notice that the highest rates are among the post-protestant countries. Most of the Catholic countries are still lower - Italy, Spain, Ireland. The Mexican situation has a lot to blame on the US immigration policy. Thousands of Mexican girls try to get pregnant and have their baby born in the US as an anchor. I think there is one hospital in Texas that has 16,000 births like that every year, in just that one hospital.

[ZenBowman]

Since the 1960s, the secularization and de-christianization of general life has caused a societal landslide - downhill. The media, the schools, etc., clothes designers, etc., have basically undermined traditional family values and coached girls/women to be selfish sluts.

Watch some of the episodes of "Sex in the City" and you'll see it is really should have been called "Sluts in the City". It was creating a model for girls and young women, that being a slut is "cool".

Unfortunately, the ones who suffer are the poor little bastards they give birth to - if they don't kill them with an abortion first.

It is all symptomatic of a post-christian west. You might notice that the highest rates are among the post-protestant countries. Most of the Catholic countries are still lower - Italy, Spain, Ireland. The Mexican situation has a lot to blame on the US immigration policy. Thousands of Mexican girls try to get pregnant and have their baby born in the US as an anchor. I think there is one hospital in Texas that has 16,000 births like that every year, in just that one hospital.

Glad to see you are back with your crappy hate-filled posts. By the way ripper, most Mexican immigrants are in fact Catholic. Your post is an epic failure.

[ripper6]

Saying "oh the kids these days" actually does hold water. When have kids had to raise themselves more than in the present time? We have kids with parents but they receive no parenting because both parents are always at work or their single parent is at work. Kids ARE worse than ever!

Correct.

[ZenBowman]

Correct.

By the way, how do you explain un-Christian Japan having only 2% of out-of-wedlock births?

[ripper6]

Glad to see you are back with your crappy hate-filled posts. By the way ripper, most Mexican immigrants are in fact Catholic. Your post is an epic failure.

If you actually read the post, you would see what I said. The US immigration policy is virtually bribing girls to get pregnant and drop the babies on this side of the border. You don't have that going on in other countries.

[ripper6]

By the way, how do you explain un-Christian Japan having only 2% of out-of-wedlock births?

Japan is a very homogeneous society, with strongly maintained roles for men/women/families still intact.

[ripper6]

Glad to see you are back with your crappy hate-filled posts.

"hate-filled" ??? You are projecting. Simple facts and observations are being stated.

What's the problem? Are you a deadbeat dad, spurned by a slut?

[YUL]

. Women are becoming more career oriented .

so what's wrong with that? Why not complain about fathers becoming less family oriented then?

[ElMariachi]

Why do you think that's happening?

Many societies, especially here in the US, are becoming rapidly more narcissistic. Children are coddled and impressed upon how "special" they really are. People grow up with an overinflated sense of self-entitlement and the feeling that they are "the most important one." In a marriage, which requires a humble nature and compromise, this is not an ideal trait and thus people seem to find it harder to maintain relationships when they are more in love with themselves and the thought of the "ideal relationship".......aka.......one where their partner fulfills ALL their need as they have been raised to believe is necessary.

People are also more likely to "play the field" as we have this near-obsessive desire for MORE AND MORE. No matter how good your partner might be, its hard to shake the feeling that just around the corner there exists someone who is better, someone who is sexier, smarter, wealthier, who will serve YOU better.....etc......etc. It seems to me that people often fail to appreciate what they have and have a nagging sense of needing something else to satisfy themselves. Just some of my thoughts.

[SaviorSix]

poor role models, no structure in society, degradation of the importance of the the nuclear family, do whatever "feels good" at the time, no discipline, instant gratification, "me" generation, "everyone is a winner", etc

[ripper6]

poor role models, no structure in society, degradation of the importance of the the nuclear family, do whatever "feels good" at the time, no discipline, instant gratification, "me" generation, "everyone is a winner", etc

Hey, this sounds like one of my posts.

Agrred. GenerationME is showing the consequences of the path it has taken.

[YUL]

, degradation of the importance of the the nuclear family,

lol. That's along the lines of lamenting the move away from pushrod engines and leaf springs on cars to turbo charged boxer engines and coilover springs

People want progress, things get better and people adapt.

You can't use regressive sentiments to qualify progress.

You at least have to see the good side of the push towards comfort, convenience and women becoming financially independent because we all benefit from it, unless you want to live like a luddite

[M-DK]

Well, I don't think we concluded that giving birth unmarried means being a single.

I cannot conclude just with the data present about whether these are truthful or even meaningful at best.

For instance, I just researched and discovered this about Sweden and other Scandinavian countries,

"In many Scandinavian countries, cohabitating heterosexual couples have most of the same rights as married couples, which obviously reduces incentives for a cohabitating couple to marry."

Again this can perfectly explain unmarried women giving birth and shows that because someone is unmarried and giving birth does not mean they are single.

So really how many other countries have scenarios similar to this that will decrease marriage rates?

This is an important point.
Whether or not a couple is married can be pretty irrelevant, so these statistics in themselves dont really say much.

[Lex Luthor]

Besides humans are there any other primates that are sexually monogamous...?