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I don't see anything wrong with most of the 'troll' threads.
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04-29-2009, 09:43 AM
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The mods shouldn't have to deal with the trolls; we as posters should simply ignore them. We never do, though.
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04-29-2009, 09:53 AM
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I think some of those people were being serious. Stupidity != troll.
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04-29-2009, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 1veedo
I think some of those people were being serious. Stupidity != troll.
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04-29-2009, 10:05 AM
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+1. Thank you for making this thread. Reps on recharge. There are many of us who are here like you and me who are truly trying to learn about the world, and to help others learn. Lately there has been more and more trolling here trying to stir up trouble and it has pushed a lot of good people away from this forum, and also harmed the process of our learning.
I sent a rather angry mod report two days ago about one of those threads you listed, asking the mods to please take this place more seriously.
Like you also, I dont want an end to the free speech that weve enjoyed here. And like you I also agree- obvious trolling is obvious and I would like to see some more mod attention here.
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04-29-2009, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OmniPotentTitan
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I feel like we are in the 3rd grade and you are the tattle tale. The majority of threads you presented are not troll threads. I ask a question, "Why are you atheist"? How is that trolling???
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04-29-2009, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JUSA
The mods shouldn't have to deal with the trolls; we as posters should simply ignore them. We never do, though.
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This.
And each thread is a judgment call. Sometimes each post. And no matter what call is made, someone will be pissed.
This is the most volatile section of the board. I actually would like to post here more, but it would destroy my objectivity.
And the threads that I have started asking for feedback showed that this section of the forum is divided on how to approach several issues as well.
Really, though, everyone should be above name-calling.
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04-29-2009, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Arlecchino
This.
And each thread is a judgment call. Sometimes each post. And no matter what call is made, someone will be pissed.
This is the most volatile section of the board. I actually would like to post here more, but it would destroy my objectivity.
And the threads that I have started asking for feedback showed that this section of the forum is divided on how to approach several issues as well.
Really, though, everyone should be above name-calling.
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I read a thread earlier today and people were ganging up on someone because he presented a differing opinion against the norm. There were insults from both sides and I understand the nature of this section invites that type of behavior (to a limit though), but I honestly couldn't understand why he was being flamed for his opinions (which seemed fairly well thought out). I think that sometimes people get upset because there are those that are a bit more brash and direct with their opinions.
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04-29-2009, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jkeithc82
I read a thread earlier today and people were ganging up on someone because he presented a differing opinion against the norm. There were insults from both sides and I understand the nature of this section invites that type of behavior (to a limit though), but I honestly couldn't understand why he was being flamed for his opinions (which seemed fairly well thought out). I think that sometimes people get upset because there are those that are a bit more brash and direct with their opinions.
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people are too busy trying to change others opinions to be rational
personally, I ignore trollage, try to not get involved in nonsense and don't argue...well most of the time 
what's funny is that I get negged by more Christians than Atheists and Muslims...
a little bit of anarchy is nice change, no?
agreed, you should never flame a guy for having a differing opinion
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04-29-2009, 11:50 AM
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I personally consider nonAtlas a Poe troll. However, never would I say that his posts nor any thread he posts in should be deleted. I'd rather be exposed to his viewpoints or satire (whichever it is) and think "what a troll!" then miss out on the occasional gem he has.
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04-29-2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Arlecchino
This.
And each thread is a judgment call. Sometimes each post. And no matter what call is made, someone will be pissed.
This is the most volatile section of the board. I actually would like to post here more, but it would destroy my objectivity.
And the threads that I have started asking for feedback showed that this section of the forum is divided on how to approach several issues as well.
Really, though, everyone should be above name-calling.
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Originally Posted by jkeithc82
I read a thread earlier today and people were ganging up on someone because he presented a differing opinion against the norm. There were insults from both sides and I understand the nature of this section invites that type of behavior (to a limit though), but I honestly couldn't understand why he was being flamed for his opinions (which seemed fairly well thought out). I think that sometimes people get upset because there are those that are a bit more brash and direct with their opinions.
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04-29-2009, 12:02 PM
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I'm honestly surprised the mods/admin care. To be honest, I've always thought it was, "we ban who we feel like". Do the mods and admin communicate? Do they say "should we ban this individual?" or is it each mod can ban or unban whoever they like? "This guy is a libertarian, time to ban him" or whatever.
A lot of time I feel the people who post are actually just saying some things to mess with you. I know I speak for a lot of people here and everywhere else when someone voice an opinion that is obviously stupid. You just have to think, "is that guy really that stupid?"
I am gonna make an example to demonstrate what I mean.
Some guy may articulate why he feels the Iraq War is wrong and does so: "The Iraq War is wrong, we should not there because (and a list of reason)".
Then some guy comes along, he may be a military serviceman and actually just go "**** you, you hate America" and he may also have a huge neg power. He negs him then go "hoorah! Marines for life! We the best! We are gods!"
Do you expect the person who made a well thought out thread to stay and be respectful? No, he's going to perpetuate the whole flame wars. He is just going to say "no all Marines are puppy throwers and baby eaters".
A lot of issues are really personal. A Marine may have joined the military and feel the powerful pang when he realizes it was a wrong decision to make but tries to justify or in other way make up reasons to feel it wasn't such a bad decision. When somebody comes along and tell him he is doing a bad job, it is very hurtful and people often resort to this.
It heavily reminds me of nutsy54 when I was making a thread about how the gov't doesn't care about the military and treating the people like they are cannon fodders because of printing mistakes yet he forgets that I respect the military greatly (I sent stuff). It makes me think "you can only say good things about the military, don't even bring up or hint anything negative about the military".
It's like that with every other issue. Abortion, specific religions, methodology of politics, people constantly resorting to appealing to authority (by that I mean in the extremes), etc.
I can go on and on.
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04-29-2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NotStandingBy
I'm honestly surprised the mods/admin care. To be honest, I've always thought it was, "we ban who we feel like". Do the mods and admin communicate? Do they say "should we ban this individual?" or is it each mod can ban or unban whoever they like? "This guy is a libertarian, time to ban him" or whatever.
A lot of time I feel the people who post are actually just saying some things to mess with you. I know I speak for a lot of people here and everywhere else when someone voice an opinion that is obviously stupid. You just have to think, "is that guy really that stupid?"
I am gonna make an example to demonstrate what I mean.
Some guy may articulate why he feels the Iraq War is wrong and does so: "The Iraq War is wrong, we should not there because (and a list of reason)".
Then some guy comes along, he may be a military serviceman and actually just go "**** you, you hate America" and he may also have a huge neg power. He negs him then go "hoorah! Marines for life! We the best! We are gods!"
Do you expect the person who made a well thought out thread to stay and be respectful? No, he's going to perpetuate the whole flame wars. He is just going to say "no all Marines are puppy throwers and baby eaters".
A lot of issues are really personal. A Marine may have joined the military and feel the powerful pang when he realizes it was a wrong decision to make but tries to justify or in other way make up reasons to feel it wasn't such a bad decision. When somebody comes along and tell him he is doing a bad job, it is very hurtful and people often resort to this.
It heavily reminds me of nutsy54 when I was making a thread about how the gov't doesn't care about the military and treating the people like they are cannon fodders because of printing mistakes yet he forgets that I respect the military greatly (I sent stuff). It makes me think "you can only say good things about the military, don't even bring up or hint anything negative about the military".
It's like that with every other issue. Abortion, specific religions, methodology of politics, people constantly resorting to appealing to authority (by that I mean in the extremes), etc.
I can go on and on.
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I could go on and on, but I am not.
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04-29-2009, 12:46 PM
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I have set up progessive measures in bannings. Starting with the infraction system and negs.
I could go on and on, but I am not.
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waterboarding?
I'm callin the prez
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04-29-2009, 12:53 PM
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How is this a troll thread?????? 
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=115982361
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04-29-2009, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by neekz0r
I personally consider nonAtlas a Poe troll. However, never would I say that his posts nor any thread he posts in should be deleted. I'd rather be exposed to his viewpoints or satire (whichever it is) and think "what a troll!" then miss out on the occasional gem he has.
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What's a "Poe troll"?
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04-29-2009, 01:02 PM
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I think the rep system works decently well most of the time. Sure, the people that preach to the choir are naturally going to wrap up a ton more reps, but that's life. I've posted plenty of stuff on here in the past (these days I usually just swing by on off minutes when I'm bored and don't contribute much) that the vast majority of the forum disagreed with me about, and I didn't get slammed with negs. Most of the time people word something in a condescending way, and that's what lands them the negs.
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04-29-2009, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueBayou
+1. Thank you for making this thread. Reps on recharge. There are many of us who are here like you and me who are truly trying to learn about the world, and to help others learn. Lately there has been more and more trolling here trying to stir up trouble and it has pushed a lot of good people away from this forum, and also harmed the process of our learning.
I sent a rather angry mod report two days ago about one of those threads you listed, asking the mods to please take this place more seriously.
Like you also, I dont want an end to the free speech that weve enjoyed here. And like you I also agree- obvious trolling is obvious and I would like to see some more mod attention here.
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I like how you had your troll thread smearing another member deleted so you could ride into this one full of self righteousness.
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04-29-2009, 01:26 PM
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Quote:
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What's a "Poe troll"?
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" Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.
"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists. "
( source)
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04-29-2009, 01:41 PM
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Repping and Negging needs to be annonymous. Ok to leave comments and let them know which post got negged or repped. But people should not know who negged them or repped them.
I see too many signatures that say, "I neg back" or "I rep back". If people did not know who did what, they'd be forced to only rep based on a post and not who repped them last.
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04-29-2009, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fitnessman
I have set up progessive measures in bannings. Starting with the infraction system and negs.
I could go on and on, but I am not.
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I will.
Are you surprised?
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Originally Posted by NotStandingBy
I'm honestly surprised the mods/admin care. To be honest, I've always thought it was, "we ban who we feel like". Do the mods and admin communicate? Do they say "should we ban this individual?" or is it each mod can ban or unban whoever they like? "This guy is a libertarian, time to ban him" or whatever.
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Of course we talk. If fitnessman returns to the thread, feel free to ask him how many questions I ask. I have probably started more question related threads than any mod ever. And no one's political viewpoint is a factor in their banning, only their ability and willingness to follow the rules.
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A lot of time I feel the people who post are actually just saying some things to mess with you. I know I speak for a lot of people here and everywhere else when someone voice an opinion that is obviously stupid. You just have to think, "is that guy really that stupid?"
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Sometimes, yes. Everyone needs a laugh.
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I am gonna make an example to demonstrate what I mean.
Some guy may articulate why he feels the Iraq War is wrong and does so: "The Iraq War is wrong, we should not there because (and a list of reason)".
Then some guy comes along, he may be a military serviceman and actually just go "**** you, you hate America" and he may also have a huge neg power. He negs him then go "hoorah! Marines for life! We the best! We are gods!"
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One of the reasons why the rep system sucks.
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Do you expect the person who made a well thought out thread to stay and be respectful? No, he's going to perpetuate the whole flame wars. He is just going to say "no all Marines are puppy throwers and baby eaters".
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Yes, I do. Because someone is a tool, does that mean that the other person should see if they can be a bigger tool? I realize that is usually what happens, but when you let someone piss you off, all you are doing is giving them power over you.
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A lot of issues are really personal. A Marine may have joined the military and feel the powerful pang when he realizes it was a wrong decision to make but tries to justify or in other way make up reasons to feel it wasn't such a bad decision. When somebody comes along and tell him he is doing a bad job, it is very hurtful and people often resort to this.
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I understand this. I am a Navy vet. Many of the mods are former military. At least 1/2 dozen.
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It heavily reminds me of nutsy54 when I was making a thread about how the gov't doesn't care about the military and treating the people like they are cannon fodders because of printing mistakes yet he forgets that I respect the military greatly (I sent stuff). It makes me think "you can only say good things about the military, don't even bring up or hint anything negative about the military".
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This depends on the individual. And in a way it is like your family. It is ok for you to talk **** about them, but no one else can do it. Not the best analogy, but the best I can come up with on short notice.
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It's like that with every other issue. Abortion, specific religions, methodology of politics, people constantly resorting to appealing to authority (by that I mean in the extremes), etc.
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Fallacies abound. If someone here wanted to do a more formal debate, I would be up for modding it.
You made some good points.
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I think the rep system works decently well most of the time. Sure, the people that preach to the choir are naturally going to wrap up a ton more reps, but that's life. I've posted plenty of stuff on here in the past (these days I usually just swing by on off minutes when I'm bored and don't contribute much) that the vast majority of the forum disagreed with me about, and I didn't get slammed with negs. Most of the time people word something in a condescending way, and that's what lands them the negs.
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I think it absolutely blows. So do a lot of other mods. When you get PM's every day from people complaining about being negged for things, and there is nothing you can do about it, it gets fairly frustrating. And we have no way to check/review it, etc.
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Repping and Negging needs to be annonymous. Ok to leave comments and let them know which post got negged or repped. But people should not know who negged them or repped them.
I see too many signatures that say, "I neg back" or "I rep back". If people did not know who did what, they'd be forced to only rep based on a post and not who repped them last.
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Nah. People need to be accountable for their actions. Completely disagree with you here. Would be a lot more spineless negging and the crying that goes with it.
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Fallacies abound. If someone here wanted to do a more formal debate, I would be up for modding it.
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Are you saying you're willing to "referee" formal debates?
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Yes.
If there were enough interest, I would advance the idea (to the other mods, then admin) of a sub-forum for this section that would actually require the posts to be moderated/pre-approved. The software has the capability. It would, of necessity, be limited, and I would need to find another mod interested.
Note: I would moderate it to such a degree that it would make the Marquis de Sade look like a humanitarian.
Formal means formal. While ad hominem attacks might be employed, even though logically fallacious, some of the school yard crap that goes on here would be grounds for immediate disqualification. A separate thread would be set up to allow commentary by others, and the participants would be not allowed to comment.
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every thread is a formal debate, imo. He can't referee each one. Isn't self-policing the best method here?
First rule of R/P
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Yes.
If there were enough interest, I would advance the idea (to the other mods, then admin) of a sub-forum for this section that would actually require the posts to be moderated/pre-approved. The software has the capability. It would, of necessity, be limited, and I would need to find another mod interested.
Note: I would moderate it to such a degree that it would make the Marquis de Sade look like a humanitarian.
Formal means formal. While ad hominem attacks might be employed, even though logically fallacious, some of the school yard crap that goes on here would be grounds for immediate disqualification. A separate thread would be set up to allow commentary by others, and the participants would be not allowed to comment.
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Wow, that's exactly what we need. We don't have enough formal debates in here and I'd like to participate in one.
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04-29-2009, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Arlecchino
Yes.
If there were enough interest, I would advance the idea (to the other mods, then admin) of a sub-forum for this section that would actually require the posts to be moderated/pre-approved. The software has the capability. It would, of necessity, be limited, and I would need to find another mod interested.
Note: I would moderate it to such a degree that it would make the Marquis de Sade look like a humanitarian.
Formal means formal. While ad hominem attacks might be employed, even though logically fallacious, some of the school yard crap that goes on here would be grounds for immediate disqualification. A separate thread would be set up to allow commentary by others, and the participants would be not allowed to comment.
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nice, build it and they will come
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04-29-2009, 02:26 PM
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every thread is a formal debate, imo. He can't referee each one.
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You obviously have no idea what we mean by formal debate. In short, it's a strict debate with rules and a referee. Here's an example of a good formal debate forum (click on one of the threads):
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/view...2165941ec5fe36
Or
http://forums.philosophyforums.com/debates/
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04-29-2009, 02:34 PM
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Wow, that's exactly what we need. We don't have enough formal debates in here and I'd like to participate in one.
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Originally Posted by ObedEdom
nice, build it and they will come
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