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    Clean Bulk Macros (critque please)

    50fat/300carbs/250protein

    about 3200-3400 calories.

    5'10'' 190 around 10-12% BF
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    That works out to be only 13-14% calories from fat. I thought when bulking you should be shooting for 20-25% of your daily calorie total to come from fat?
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    Originally Posted by IceCube43 View Post
    That works out to be only 13-14% calories from fat. I thought when bulking you should be shooting for 20-25% of your daily calorie total to come from fat?
    why, i dont want to gain fat?
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    Search these boards for other bulk diet critiques. 100 times over it has been said that you will put on some fat during a bulk. You only get fat from eating over maintenance. To minimize it you should try to be over 500 calories from your maintenance.

    Weigh yourself at the start of your bulk, a week later, and a week after that. If you're gaining .5-1lb/wk, you're good. More than that, lower cals. Not gaining, increase cals. Increase/Decrease cals to make gains as previously stated.

    As for the fat being at 20-25%, I believe that has to with keeping hormone production/levels in check.
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    Originally Posted by scrace View Post
    why, i dont want to gain fat?
    Fat directly doesn't make you fat. Excess calories make you fat.
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    Originally Posted by scrace View Post
    why, i dont want to gain fat?
    Fat is too low- should be kept between 20-30%
    Diets too low in fat
    1. Puts you into the starvation zone
    Low calories and skipping meals aren?t the only things that send you into
    survival mode. When dietary fat intake is reduced to less than 10% of total daily
    calories, this also sets off the starvation alarm.
    2. Causes large fluctuations in blood sugar
    Fat slows down the release of carbohydrates into the bloodstream. When large
    amounts of simple and refined carbohydrates are eaten alone, they shoot rapidly into the
    bloodstream, creating a large spike in blood sugar.
    3. Causes greater insulin release
    When your blood sugar spikes, your pancreas releases a lot of insulin to bring
    blood sugar back down to normal. Moderate amounts of insulin are necessary (and
    anabolic). Large amounts or insulin are lipogenic (cause fat storage) and anti-lipolyic
    (prevent fat release).
    4. Causes hormonally related hunger and cravings
    You can have more willpower than a celibate monk in the Playboy mansion, but if
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    intense, almost irresistible cravings that send you frantically to the nearest Baskin
    Robbins or Krispy Kreme store.
    5. Reduces testosterone
    Low dietary fat levels are correlated with low testosterone levels. For someone
    trying to become leaner and more muscular, this spells disaster.
    6. Can be deficient in essential fatty acids

    Focus on Getting EFAs
    There are at least eleven important function of EFA?s in your diet:
    - EFA?s improve insulin sensitivity
    - EFA?s are required for absorption of fat soluble vitamins
    - EFA?s are essential for joint health
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    - EFA?s are required for Oxygen transfer
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    - EFA?s suppress cortisol production
    - EFA?s improve skin texture (dry skin is a classic symptom of EFA deficiency)
    - EFA?s are growth promoting
    - EFA?s increase metabolic rate
    - EFA?s help burn fat
    Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats tend to lower levels of blood pressure, cholesterol, inflammation in arteries, reduce risk of heart disease
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    Originally Posted by scrace View Post
    50fat/300carbs/250protein

    about 3200-3400 calories.

    5'10'' 190 around 10-12% BF
    Your macros are off.. That comes out to 2650 calories. Up the fat to ~100g, up the carbs to ~350g
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    Thank you for chiming in Determined. I forgot who it was that clearly posts the cons of low fat diets.
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    Originally Posted by Holyspokes View Post
    Your macros are off.. That comes out to 2650 calories. Up the fat to ~100g, up the carbs to ~350g
    i just put it in fitday. its right
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    Originally Posted by determined4000 View Post
    Fat is too low- should be kept between 20-30%
    Diets too low in fat
    1. Puts you into the starvation zone
    Low calories and skipping meals aren?t the only things that send you into
    survival mode. When dietary fat intake is reduced to less than 10% of total daily
    calories, this also sets off the starvation alarm.
    2. Causes large fluctuations in blood sugar
    Fat slows down the release of carbohydrates into the bloodstream. When large
    amounts of simple and refined carbohydrates are eaten alone, they shoot rapidly into the
    bloodstream, creating a large spike in blood sugar.
    3. Causes greater insulin release
    When your blood sugar spikes, your pancreas releases a lot of insulin to bring
    blood sugar back down to normal. Moderate amounts of insulin are necessary (and
    anabolic). Large amounts or insulin are lipogenic (cause fat storage) and anti-lipolyic
    (prevent fat release).
    4. Causes hormonally related hunger and cravings
    You can have more willpower than a celibate monk in the Playboy mansion, but if
    you get hormonally induced hunger, you won?t to be able to fight it. Whenever there?s an
    unusually large blood sugar spike, it?s a law of nature that there must be an equal or
    greater valley. This blood sugar valley, known as hypoglycemia, is the cause of those
    intense, almost irresistible cravings that send you frantically to the nearest Baskin
    Robbins or Krispy Kreme store.
    5. Reduces testosterone
    Low dietary fat levels are correlated with low testosterone levels. For someone
    trying to become leaner and more muscular, this spells disaster.
    6. Can be deficient in essential fatty acids

    Focus on Getting EFAs
    There are at least eleven important function of EFA?s in your diet:
    - EFA?s improve insulin sensitivity
    - EFA?s are required for absorption of fat soluble vitamins
    - EFA?s are essential for joint health
    - EFA?s are required for energy production
    - EFA?s are required for Oxygen transfer
    - EFA?s maintain cell membrane integrity
    - EFA?s suppress cortisol production
    - EFA?s improve skin texture (dry skin is a classic symptom of EFA deficiency)
    - EFA?s are growth promoting
    - EFA?s increase metabolic rate
    - EFA?s help burn fat
    Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats tend to lower levels of blood pressure, cholesterol, inflammation in arteries, reduce risk of heart disease
    so what if i add more nuts into my diet?
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    Originally Posted by scrace View Post
    so what if i add more nuts into my diet?
    almonds are the best IMO
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    Originally Posted by determined4000 View Post
    almonds are the best IMO
    so basically my main foods are chicken, steak, tuna, oats, rice, brocolli, spinache, milk, strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, raspberriers, bananas, wheat bread, eggs and cashews.
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    Originally Posted by scrace View Post
    so basically my main foods are chicken, steak, tuna, oats, rice, brocolli, spinache, milk, strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, raspberriers, bananas, wheat bread, eggs and cashews.
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    Originally Posted by LatinoMusculito View Post
    +almonds.
    i dont like them, i used to force them down now i cant stand them
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    so basically my main foods are chicken, steak, tuna, oats, rice, brocolli, spinache, milk, strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, raspberriers, bananas, wheat bread, eggs and cashews.
    less fruit, more veggies
    need a larger variety of fats (PB, stuff with omegas, mono-fats)
    brown rice, fibrous whole grains, low fat milk
    chunk light tuna (less mercury)
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    Originally Posted by determined4000 View Post
    less fruit, more veggies
    need a larger variety of fats (PB, stuff with omegas, mono-fats)
    brown rice, fibrous whole grains, low fat milk
    chunk light tuna (less mercury)
    why the hell would he eat less fruit?

    The foods look fine. If you like cashews, eat up. Walnuts are good. Do you like Salmon? That is a good fatty fish.

    Beef and Pasta is good aswell...pour some olive oil on some veggies...or saute them with some pine nuts...its delish.
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    What are the best EFA foods to eat?
    Almonds,fish what else? Think im missing out on EFA's in my bulk diet.
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    Originally Posted by Holyspokes View Post
    Your macros are off.. That comes out to 2650 calories. Up the fat to ~100g, up the carbs to ~350g
    x 2

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    i just put it in fitday. its right
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    so far today half way done my meals im at

    34g fat
    260g carbs
    133g protein
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    Personally I think your macros look fine. Maybe up the fats to 70g a day, no direct sources though. It should come from your red meat, weight gainer, eggs, etc.
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    so far today half way done my meals im at

    34g fat
    260g carbs
    133g protein
    Id increase protein and fat
    44g fat
    200carbs
    200protein

    Can go less and the protein and higher on carbs to fit preferences
    220c/180p?
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    Id increase protein and fat
    44g fat
    200carbs
    200protein

    Can go less and the protein and higher on carbs to fit preferences
    220c/180p?
    thats only 3 meals.
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    my totals today.

    3485cals
    108 fats
    404 carbs
    242 protein

    if i keep this consistant i should add minimal bodyfat?
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    I would still lower the protein a little and up the carbs and fats...

    Aim for ~200 grams of protein, and disperse the rest through carbs and fats...

    the bodyfat will be dictated by how hard your working out/putting those cals to use.
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    Daily Calorie Intake: 3257

    CARBOHYDRATES: 360g
    PROTEIN: 209g
    FATS: 108g

    Based on 3 workout sessions a week.

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