Thomas Jefferson
End welfare programs and use the money saved to restock the treasury
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04-24-2009, 11:43 AM #1
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04-24-2009, 11:52 AM #6
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04-24-2009, 11:54 AM #7
People wouldn't be in situations like that if we didn't have a welfare giving, bankrupt government in the first place.
You could progressively phase out welfare when the employment rate is better
Either way, the first thing people are taught to do is save 3-6 months worth of income at your job "for a rainy day"
If your too stupid to do that, TOO BAD
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04-24-2009, 11:56 AM #8
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04-24-2009, 11:58 AM #9
How can you save 3-6 months for a rainy day if the income you are garnering only covers your monthly expenses?
Or in the case of my former coworker..he went on welfare. Has a generative disease and last time we heard he can longer feed himself.
Are you suggesting he is lazy? Society should just cut him off?
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04-24-2009, 11:59 AM #10
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04-24-2009, 12:01 PM #11
The "parasite class" as you call them, was born into this situation to a large degree. There is some personal responsibility involved, but many of the children born in inner cities to ****ty, poor parents are unable to make decisions that could better their educational opportunities (like moving to a different area), because they are minors. Therefore, you need a baseline of decent educational opportunities and provide the ability for students who achieve to attend college so that the ones who do work hard can rise. This is not how our system is setup right now. Some of the children, who might be capable, will not rise because to some extent education comes from the home, but at least they will be provided with moderately intelligent teachers (mentors) who can possibly influence them to better themselves.
To believe that all poor people are parasites who aren't hard workers is an easy out from facing the real issues, which are by no means easy to answer.
Personally, I think lessening the power of teacher unions and permitting voucher systems would go a long way in many communities.
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04-24-2009, 12:01 PM #12
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Not everyone is like that.
My dad was an alcoholic and died when I was a kid. We were on welfare. The only thing that kept the heat on that first winter was an Baltimore city assistance program.
While there are bad examples everywhere, keep in mind the children of irresponsible parents did not chose those parents.
Both of you guys are young. Do either one of you volunteer with Big Brothers Big Sisters of America? Help show a positive example to these kids that have less than desirable parents?
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Yes, I have volunteered with Big Brother, Big Sister. I also helped teach karate to young kids and I currently coach soccer.
Nothing breaks my heart more than when children are born into crappy situations. I just feel that more often than not, many social welfare programs become enablers and not helpers. It's my personal opinion that private charity is much better suited to help these individuals than government assistance.
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04-24-2009, 12:08 PM #22
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04-24-2009, 12:09 PM #24
I think your numbers are off. I didn't feel like searching extensively, but I did find this:
According to The Budget for Fiscal Year 2008, Historical Tables, total outlays for Means Tested Entitlements in 2006 were $354.3 billion.
http://polecolaw.newsvine.com/_news/...s-welfare-cost
I think providing aid to the mentally or physically disabled is something advanced economics should do, to some degree, for humane reasons. It's difficult to come down on other countries for human rights abuses when you do not provide for such benefits. Plus, these people are unable to affect their own situation. They are not lazy, they just got a ****ty deal. Obviously this should be limited to those who truly cannot work for medically verifiable reasons.
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Do you think private charity is capable of filling the void if public assistance were ended tomorrow?
I personally do not think so. I volunteer alot and at both organizations we are always short of volunteers and lately at one organization we are really, really short on available funds?
How do you propose private charities fill the void with the student lunch program? When I was in elementary school, one year that was pretty much the only meal I could look forward to.
I dunno...call me a crybaby christian..but I would rather see several people abuse the system, then to cut off all funds and see a kid go hungry.
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