"The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty"

[voltio8836]

I'm talking about K-12 public education, not undergraduate/graduate work

I dont give a ****. Why should I put any of my tax money into educating those poor ******s when their parents arent paying taxes?

[ONtop888]

Thomas Jefferson

End welfare programs and use the money saved to restock the treasury

The best thing to do is help people who are in need. There are many ways to go about this, the most successful is giving incentives for those who work and working with individuals and their situations. It is crazy to assume that ending welfare programs would end poverty. It would just create a bunch of poor people who have no hope or help and they will be enticed to commit violence.

[sharkeh]

The best thing to do is help people who are in need. There are many ways to go about this, the most successful is giving incentives for those who work and working with individuals and their situations. It is crazy to assume that ending welfare programs would end poverty. It would just create a bunch of poor people who have no hope or help and they will be enticed to commit violence.

my way is providing incentive, it is negative reinforcement

[markymark69]

again, as I said before (and as you so conveniently ignored), i haven't suffered because I worked while going to school and earning scholarship money

maybe i'm doing it wrong

So you were fortunate to have good parents...yet you pass judgment on children that have less than desirable parents....the same kids you want to cut funding off....the same kids that you do nothing to help yourself.


I'd really like to sit back and watch you work at our food bank and tell a family that walks in:

..please enough with the sob stories. in the world there are going to be winners and losers, deal with it...

Sorry... I just dont understand people like you.

[sharkeh]

I dont give a ****. Why should I put any of my tax money into educating those poor ******s when their parents arent paying taxes?

an educated populace is critical to the integrity of the nation and its future

[El Gilbro]

Do you think private charity is capable of filling the void if public assistance were ended tomorrow?

I personally do not think so. I volunteer alot and at both organizations we are always short of volunteers and lately at one organization we are really, really short on available funds?

How do you propose private charities fill the void with the student lunch program? When I was in elementary school, one year that was pretty much the only meal I could look forward to.

I dunno...call me a crybaby christian..but I would rather see several people abuse the system, then to cut off all funds and see a kid go hungry.

I don't think that private charity could step in overnight and fill the void. People are too used to the way things are and it would be a huge shock to just cut it off abruptly.

I do think, however, that it would be feasible to slowly roll back benefits and direct people to private charities to fill in the gaps.

From a personal standpoint, if I brought home more money in my paycheck as a result of less taxes being withheld, I'd give more to charity. Maybe I'm too optimistic when it comes to the kindness of others, but I'd hope they'd do the same.

[sharkeh]

So you were fortunate to have good parents...yet you pass judgment on children that have less than desirable parents....the same kids you want to cut funding off....the same kids that you do nothing to help yourself.

maybe the education system failed you because you are one illiterate son of a bitch

i said before that i would have no problem diverting some of the money saved from slashing welfare programs to education

I'd really like to sit back and watch you work at our food bank and tell a family that walks in:

yeah, god forbid someone smacks them with the truth

[El Gilbro]

I dont give a ****. Why should I put any of my tax money into educating those poor ******s when their parents arent paying taxes?

Because what kind of future do they have if uneducated? They'd just definitely grow up to repeat the cycle that their parents were part of. By educating them, you stand a better chance of having them break the cycle and not having to support them for their entire adult life.

[Vitalshok44]

I don't think that private charity could step in overnight and fill the void. People are too used to the way things are and it would be a huge shock to just cut it off abruptly.

I do think, however, that it would be feasible to slowly roll back benefits and direct people to private charities to fill in the gaps.

From a personal standpoint, if I brought home more money in my paycheck as a result of less taxes being withheld, I'd give more to charity. Maybe I'm too optimistic when it comes to the kindness of others, but I'd hope they'd do the same.

you're not too optimistic

[ONtop888]

I've learned to accept that not everyone can function at the same capacity. Some people simply can't excel in academics and get scholarships or hold down more than a minimum wage job. We should help those who are atleast willing to help themselves and also help those who can't, and not help those who won't.

[Melkor]

Reality is that Americans are so completely addicted to welfare and government programs that you cannot realistically take those programs away at this point. There would have to be a long weaning off period, during which entire generations would have to be taught about things like personal responsibility, community, and living within your means. Not going to happen. Americans want bigger better faster more, and they don't want to have to work hard for it, for the most part. They DESERVE it, it's a RIGHT.

Two of the major problems with entitlement programs, imo, are that they have taught people to rely on the government instead of the individual's own preparation and hard work, and they have taught society that the government will take care of other people so we don't have to.

[sharkeh]

I've learned to accept that not everyone can function at the same capacity. Some people simply can't excel in academics and get scholarships or hold down more than a minimum wage job. We should help those who are atleast willing to help themselves and also help those who can't, and not help those who won't.

uhh, no we shouldn't

your attitude reminds me of what youth athletics are like now.. "we wont keep score because we don't want anyone to feel bad, that way everyone is a winner!"

pathetic

there are winners and there are losers.. losing is more of an incentive to make yourself better than getting free **** for being complacent (or being told that your just as good as the others when you aren't, like in little league)

[El Gilbro]

I've learned to accept that not everyone can function at the same capacity. Some people simply can't excel in academics and get scholarships or hold down more than a minimum wage job. We should help those who are atleast willing to help themselves and also help those who can't, and not help those who won't.

This is pretty much how I feel.

I just think that the government is forced to help those who simply won't because if they don't help them, it would be discrimination. And people know this, so they exploit the system.

And, yes, I don't have a problem with private charities discriminating. Again, maybe I'm too optimistic, but I believe that a private charity that discriminates based on race won't garner enough support to stay afloat compared to a private charity that discriminates against lazy people.

[markymark69]

maybe the education system failed you because you are one illiterate son of a bitch

i said before that i would have no problem diverting some of the money saved from slashing welfare programs to education




yeah, god forbid someone smacks them with the truth

What in the world does that have to do with a kid going hungry?

Dont bother answering. It's plainly obvious you are college kid that has never really had to struggle in life and because your parents handed you a decent life you somehow think that makes you special.

You are willing to tell poor kids to go hungry...yet you are someone whom in your own words 'leads a comfortable life' and does nothing to help those kids

I argue and talk smack with alot of people on here...but damn bro...you are just pathetic. Good luck in life.

[voltio8836]

an educated populace is critical to the integrity of the nation and its future

Watchu saying son?

A healthy + strong populace is critical to the integrity of the nation and its future.

[sharkeh]

What in the world does that have to do with a kid going hungry?

Dont bother answering. It's plainly obvious you are college kid that has never really had to struggle in life and because your parents handed you a decent life you somehow think that makes you special.

god damn bro you can seriously not ****ing read... i pay for my own ****

You are willing to tell poor kids to go hungry...yet you are someone whom in your own words 'leads a comfortable life' and does nothing to help those kids

I argue and talk smack with alot of people on here...but damn bro...you are just pathetic. Good luck in life.

i'm willing to tell the parents who have children that are hungry to GET A JOB

A healthy + strong populace is critical to the integrity of the nation and its future.

not if their health and strength gives gives them the continued ability to suck away the nation's resources

[markymark69]

uhh, no we shouldn't

your attitude reminds me of what youth athletics are like now.. "we wont keep score because we don't want anyone to feel bad, that way everyone is a winner!"

pathetic

there are winners and there are losers.. losing is more of an incentive to make yourself better than getting free **** for being complacent (or being told that your just as good as the others when you aren't, like in little league)

You keep on talking about winners and losers....yet you consistently post on the misc to ask for help for your homework.

Talk about pathetic....

[sharkeh]

You keep on talking about winners and losers....yet you consistently post on the misc to ask for help for your homework.

Talk about pathetic....

yes, shame on me for seeking self improvement

shame on anyone who would dare try and carry the water

[markymark69]

god damn bro you can seriously not ****ing read... i pay for my own ****

Really? So when you were 5yo..you had a job mowing lawns?

You paid for yo' own ****.
lol!

[JUSA]

What about people that have an education..cannot get a job and are on welfare?

Why can't they get a job? Even in today's economic climate, people can find jobs. Maybe not their dream job but at least here in Texas I see people hiring all the time. Oh ****, they might have to work hard and not make tons of money?

Lots of people think they're too good to get their hands dirty. **** em.

[YUL]

"The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty"

doesn't seem to be working quite right

[markymark69]

yes, shame on me for seeking self improvement

The misc is your own welfare. Instead of doing your own research you beg them to do it for you. Alpha you definitely are not.

Hai Guise...I cant figure out this paper..can use helps me? Reps brah's!
hai Guise..Im writing a paper and Im too stoopid to write it myself. can yous helps me/ Reps brah's!


/fail
/ignore

[voltio8836]

yes, shame on me for seeking self improvement

shame on anyone who would dare try and carry the water

Well nothing in life is free right? Welfare should not be free and asking questions should not be free. So anytime you ask questions now, if you receive answers, you receive negs. If you are in the red and still ask questions then you receive tmp banning.

That's only fair right?

Whos with me on this?

[JUSA]

How can you save 3-6 months for a rainy day if the income you are garnering only covers your monthly expenses?

Or in the case of my former coworker..he went on welfare. Has a generative disease and last time we heard he can longer feed himself.

Are you suggesting he is lazy? Society should just cut him off?

I doubt that even .01% of people on welfare are like your friend. Everyone I've seen, and it's probably orders of magnitudes more than you, is capable of working but uses some lame excuse to get SS or Welfare.

Of the thousands or people I've met and dealt with that are on welfare, I've yet to honestly meet A SINGLE ONE who is incapable of working at McDonalds or doing some other menial work. Not a single one. Ever. In fact, I know plenty who worked **** jobs like that for awhile and then quit and blamed it on some mental condition or some other weak excuse, when they're perfectly capable of doing the job. They just don't want to do it and Welfare/SS is an easy out.

[sharkeh]

Really? So when you were 5yo..you had a job mowing lawns?

You paid for yo' own ****.
lol!

maybe not when i was five, but as far back as i can remember i worked for my neighbor's athletic company

shame on me again for not expecting **** to be given to me in this world, and realizing that if i want something i have to go out and get it myself

[jmonty]

Hold on a sec there, the majority of any population is stupid.

half of them are below average. =/

lol

[sharkeh]

Well nothing in life is free right? Welfare should not be free and asking questions should not be free. So anytime you ask questions now, if you receive answers, you receive negs. If you are in the red and still ask questions then you receive tmp banning.

others donating their time at no cost to give advice is charity, not welfare

[tenthirtytwo]

maybe not when i was five, but as far back as i can remember i worked for my neighbor's athletic company

shame on me again for not expecting **** to be given to me in this world, and realizing that if i want something i have to go out and get it myself

It's great to have you on the forums, Rush.

[markymark69]

Why can't they get a job? Even in today's economic climate, people can find jobs. Maybe not their dream job but at least here in Texas I see people hiring all the time. Oh ****, they might have to work hard and not make tons of money?

Lots of people think they're too good to get their hands dirty. **** em.

I have to disagree. Our janitor we just hired was a school teacher. Its the only job he can get. We had 45 applicants for the position. 9 of them had degrees.

For the blast work we are doing with the military..its pretty nasty work and all three of the guys have degrees. its pure grunt work. We hired them as temps $10/hr. The two young guys i dont feel bad for..but the 3rd guy is in his 60's and not doing so good now that the temp has kicked up.


Maybe in Texas and Florida you can find jobs. In other parts of the nation its relatively difficult to find a job..any job.

[sharkeh]

It's great to have you on the forums, Rush.

thanks but i don't listen to rush because i don't agree with a lot of the **** that he says

i do listen to neal boortz before limbaugh comes on though