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    "The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty"

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    End welfare programs and use the money saved to restock the treasury
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    That would be fine if adequate education was provided to all citizens.
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    Originally Posted by w3e View Post
    That would be fine if adequate education was provided to all citizens.
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    Originally Posted by w3e View Post
    That would be fine if adequate education was provided to all citizens.
    Ending welfare programs would force individuals to take their education seriously as they would not be able to live without one

    Unfortunately I think that the parasite class (yes they are parasites) is too stupid to realize this. The world would be better off if they were dead
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    Originally Posted by w3e View Post
    That would be fine if adequate education was provided to all citizens.


    The same forces that have aligned to keep the poor down in their state of poverty for good, are the same ones that have been actively working to dumb down the educational curriculum for decades.
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    Ending welfare programs would force individuals to take their education seriously as they would not be able to live without one

    Unfortunately I think that the parasite class (yes they are parasites) is too stupid to realize this. The world would be better off if they were dead
    What about people that have an education..cannot get a job and are on welfare?
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    What about people that have an education..cannot get a job and are on welfare?
    People wouldn't be in situations like that if we didn't have a welfare giving, bankrupt government in the first place.

    You could progressively phase out welfare when the employment rate is better

    Either way, the first thing people are taught to do is save 3-6 months worth of income at your job "for a rainy day"

    If your too stupid to do that, TOO BAD
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    People wouldn't be in situations like that if we didn't have a welfare giving, bankrupt government in the first place.

    You could progressively phase out welfare when the employment rate is better

    Either way, the first thing people are taught to do is save 3-6 months worth of income at your job "for a rainy day"

    If your too stupid to do that, TOO BAD
    Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! Hold on a minute. How the hell am I supposed to save 3 to 6 months worth of salary and still be able to buy new video game systems, authentic sports jerseys of my favorite players, big screen tv's and $100 sneakers for everyone in my family?!?!?!
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    People wouldn't be in situations like that if we didn't have a welfare giving, bankrupt government in the first place.

    You could progressively phase out welfare when the employment rate is better

    Either way, the first thing people are taught to do is save 3-6 months worth of income at your job "for a rainy day"

    If your too stupid to do that, TOO BAD
    How can you save 3-6 months for a rainy day if the income you are garnering only covers your monthly expenses?

    Or in the case of my former coworker..he went on welfare. Has a generative disease and last time we heard he can longer feed himself.

    Are you suggesting he is lazy? Society should just cut him off?
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    Ending welfare programs would force individuals to take their education seriously as they would not be able to live without one

    Unfortunately I think that the parasite class (yes they are parasites) is too stupid to realize this. The world would be better off if they were dead
    Hold on a sec there, the majority of any population is stupid.

    So you are saying that we should kill off 70% of America?
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    Ending welfare programs would force individuals to take their education seriously as they would not be able to live without one

    Unfortunately I think that the parasite class (yes they are parasites) is too stupid to realize this. The world would be better off if they were dead
    The "parasite class" as you call them, was born into this situation to a large degree. There is some personal responsibility involved, but many of the children born in inner cities to ****ty, poor parents are unable to make decisions that could better their educational opportunities (like moving to a different area), because they are minors. Therefore, you need a baseline of decent educational opportunities and provide the ability for students who achieve to attend college so that the ones who do work hard can rise. This is not how our system is setup right now. Some of the children, who might be capable, will not rise because to some extent education comes from the home, but at least they will be provided with moderately intelligent teachers (mentors) who can possibly influence them to better themselves.

    To believe that all poor people are parasites who aren't hard workers is an easy out from facing the real issues, which are by no means easy to answer.

    Personally, I think lessening the power of teacher unions and permitting voucher systems would go a long way in many communities.
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    How can you save 3-6 months for a rainy day if the income you are garnering only covers your monthly expenses?

    Or in the case of my former coworker..he went on welfare. Has a generative disease and last time we heard he can longer feed himself.

    Are you suggesting he is lazy? Society should just cut him off?

    Don't worry its basically another retarded thread by OP and the right wingers with 0 common sense.
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    Originally Posted by El Gilbro View Post
    Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! Hold on a minute. How the hell am I supposed to save 3 to 6 months worth of salary and still be able to buy new video game systems, authentic sports jerseys of my favorite players, big screen tv's and $100 sneakers for everyone in my family?!?!?!
    Not everyone is like that.

    My dad was an alcoholic and died when I was a kid. We were on welfare. The only thing that kept the heat on that first winter was an Baltimore city assistance program.

    While there are bad examples everywhere, keep in mind the children of irresponsible parents did not chose those parents.

    Both of you guys are young. Do either one of you volunteer with Big Brothers Big Sisters of America? Help show a positive example to these kids that have less than desirable parents?
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    How can you save 3-6 months for a rainy day if the income you are garnering only covers your monthly expenses?

    Or in the case of my former coworker..he went on welfare. Has a generative disease and last time we heard he can longer feed himself.

    Are you suggesting he is lazy? Society should just cut him off?
    1) reduce your monthly expenses

    2) please enough with the sob stories. in the world there are going to be winners and losers, deal with it.

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    Originally Posted by w3e View Post
    The "parasite class" as you call them, was born into this situation to a large degree. There is some personal responsibility involved, but many of the children born in inner cities to ****ty, poor parents are unable to make decisions that could better their educational opportunities (like moving to a different area), because they are minors. Therefore, you need a baseline of decent educational opportunities and provide the ability for students who achieve to attend college so that the ones who do work hard can rise. This is not how our system is setup right now. Some of the children, who might be capable, will not rise because to some extent education comes from the home, but at least they will be provided with moderately intelligent teachers (mentors) who can possibly influence them to better themselves.

    To believe that all poor people are parasites who aren't hard workers is an easy out from facing the real issues, which are by no means easy to answer.

    Personally, I think lessening the power of teacher unions and permitting voucher systems would go a long way in many communities.
    Fair enough. I would have no problem using the trillions of dollars saved by cutting welfare programs to improve the education system

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    Originally Posted by w3e View Post
    The "parasite class" as you call them, was born into this situation to a large degree. There is some personal responsibility involved, but many of the children born in inner cities to ****ty, poor parents are unable to make decisions that could better their educational opportunities (like moving to a different area), because they are minors. Therefore, you need a baseline of decent educational opportunities and provide the ability for students who achieve to attend college so that the ones who do work hard can rise. This is not how our system is setup right now. Some of the children, who might be capable, will not rise because to some extent education comes from the home, but at least they will be provided with moderately intelligent teachers (mentors) who can possibly influence them to better themselves.

    To believe that all poor people are parasites who aren't hard workers is an easy out from facing the real issues, which are by no means easy to answer.

    Personally, I think lessening the power of teacher unions and permitting voucher systems would go a long way in many communities.
    I agree
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    Originally Posted by voltio8836 View Post
    Hold on a sec there, the majority of any population is stupid.

    So you are saying that we should kill off 70% of America?
    Nah brah, don't want you to suicide yourself

    Put people in an uncomfortable situation and they will be forced to change their ways or be faced with death
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    Fair enough. I would have no problem using the trillions of dollars saved by cutting welfare programs to improve the education system
    Why should I pay more of my tax money for a poor families retarded son to go to school then?

    If they can't afford to go to school, thats their fcking problem not mine.
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    1) reduce your monthly expenses

    2) please enough with the sob stories. in the world there are going to be winners and losers, deal with it.

    "A society that puts equality - in the sense of equality of outcome - ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality or freedom"
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    Spoken like a kid that has never gone hungry.
    Nope, I haven't.. because even though I go to a private school where tuition is near $30,000 a year, I live comfortably and am going to be debt free because I worked hard.
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    Not everyone is like that.

    My dad was an alcoholic and died when I was a kid. We were on welfare. The only thing that kept the heat on that first winter was an Baltimore city assistance program.

    While there are bad examples everywhere, keep in mind the children of irresponsible parents did not chose those parents.

    Both of you guys are young. Do either one of you volunteer with Big Brothers Big Sisters of America? Help show a positive example to these kids that have less than desirable parents?
    Yes, I have volunteered with Big Brother, Big Sister. I also helped teach karate to young kids and I currently coach soccer.

    Nothing breaks my heart more than when children are born into crappy situations. I just feel that more often than not, many social welfare programs become enablers and not helpers. It's my personal opinion that private charity is much better suited to help these individuals than government assistance.
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    Nope, I haven't.. because even though I go to a private school where tuition is near $30,000 a year, I live comfortably and am going to be debt free because I worked hard.
    Cool...so do you volunteer with Big Brothers/Big Sisters of America?
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    Originally Posted by voltio8836 View Post
    Why should I pay more of my tax money for a poor families retarded son to go to school then?

    If they can't afford to go to school, thats their fcking problem not mine.
    I'm talking about K-12 public education, not undergraduate/graduate work
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    Originally Posted by sharkeh View Post
    Fair enough. I would have no problem using the trillions of dollars saved by cutting welfare programs to improve the education system
    I think your numbers are off. I didn't feel like searching extensively, but I did find this:

    According to The Budget for Fiscal Year 2008, Historical Tables, total outlays for Means Tested Entitlements in 2006 were $354.3 billion.
    http://polecolaw.newsvine.com/_news/...s-welfare-cost

    I think providing aid to the mentally or physically disabled is something advanced economics should do, to some degree, for humane reasons. It's difficult to come down on other countries for human rights abuses when you do not provide for such benefits. Plus, these people are unable to affect their own situation. They are not lazy, they just got a ****ty deal. Obviously this should be limited to those who truly cannot work for medically verifiable reasons.
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    Cool...so do you volunteer with Big Brothers/Big Sisters of America?
    I actually did volunteer work for the Special Olympics and raised money for the Les Turner ALS foundation
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    How can you save 3-6 months for a rainy day if the income you are garnering only covers your monthly expenses?

    Or in the case of my former coworker..he went on welfare. Has a generative disease and last time we heard he can longer feed himself.

    Are you suggesting he is lazy? Society should just cut him off?
    Well he did want most of these folks dead so..

    Just a stupid thread.
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    Originally Posted by w3e View Post
    I think your numbers are off. I didn't feel like searching extensively, but I did find this:

    According to The Budget for Fiscal Year 2008, Historical Tables, total outlays for Means Tested Entitlements in 2006 were $354.3 billion.
    http://polecolaw.newsvine.com/_news/...s-welfare-cost

    I think providing aid to the mentally or physically disabled is something advanced economics should do, to some degree, for humane reasons. It's difficult to come down on other countries for human rights abuses when you do not provide for such benefits. Plus, these people are unable to affect their own situation. They are not lazy, they just got a ****ty deal. Obviously this should be limited to those who truly cannot work for medically verifiable reasons.
    medicaid costs alone are near $300b.. over a short time trillions would be saved
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    Originally Posted by El Gilbro View Post
    Yes, I have volunteered with Big Brother, Big Sister. I also helped teach karate to young kids and I currently coach soccer.

    Nothing breaks my heart more than when children are born into crappy situations. I just feel that more often than not, many social welfare programs become enablers and not helpers. It's my personal opinion that private charity is much better suited to help these individuals than government assistance.
    Do you think private charity is capable of filling the void if public assistance were ended tomorrow?

    I personally do not think so. I volunteer alot and at both organizations we are always short of volunteers and lately at one organization we are really, really short on available funds?

    How do you propose private charities fill the void with the student lunch program? When I was in elementary school, one year that was pretty much the only meal I could look forward to.

    I dunno...call me a crybaby christian..but I would rather see several people abuse the system, then to cut off all funds and see a kid go hungry.
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    Originally Posted by NotStandingBy View Post
    Well he did want most of these folks dead so..

    Just a stupid thread.
    Thats why I negged him. It is always ironic when people whom have never suffered in life ...yet when it comes down to it..they do very little to help children who are less fortunate.
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    Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    Thats why I negged him. It is always ironic when people whom have never suffered in life ...yet when it comes down to it..they do very little to help children who are less fortunate.
    again, as I said before (and as you so conveniently ignored), i haven't suffered because I worked while going to school and earning scholarship money

    maybe i'm doing it wrong
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